Confirmed with Link: McDonagh + Miller to Tampa Bay for Namestnikov + Howden + Hajek + 2018 1st + conditional 2019 1st

[Alluckks]

Hajek dominated that WJC this year. Top end minutes, 8 points in 7 games, played in a defense-first shut down role.

Oh yeah, and he was on his off side - played on the right side.

 

[Alluckks]

Don't really love Hajek's offense.

He isn't an offense guy. Defensively sound "beyond his years" is what I got from his reports. Transitions well. But I have seen quite a few scouts that peg the guy as having top pair upside. Not necessarily #1, but along the lines of someone like Vlasic.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

then why did we just make so many trades for defensemen prospects?

Because in a rebuild you want to acquire the best talent you possibly can. You don't take a C- winger over a B+ Dman just because of position. Acquire the most top quality talent you can and then go from there.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I think these kids are on all kinds of different timetables. So I don't think it's a matter of having too few spots for too many players.

Ultimately, it's easier to trade guys who develop than those who don't. It's easier to make a deal when you feel you have surplus in an area and get value in return, than it is to try and make deal when that talent is lacking.

The Rangers have a lot of guys on defense who project as second pairing types. That's not a bad thing, but there's definitely not a stud young defenseman in the system right now.

For as far as the team's depth has come, there's still a lot of holes. They still need higher end defensive prospects. They still need wingers. That's going to be an ongoing process. If nothing else, it's going to be a goal.

I think there are some centers who could convert to wings, so IMO, that gives defense a slight preference. But it depends on who is available where in the draft.

This process is going to take a while.

What usually happens is a bunch of guys get lost to waivers or traded for garbage. This stockpiling of Defensemen prospects happened so many times before and it never led to any good trades only bad trades, waivers, escape clause to Europe, etc. Some awesome trades: Kloucek, Kundratek, McIlrath, Ryan Graves, Sanguinetti, Walcott, etc. We need to start drafting wingers and trading some Defensemen for forwards.

I have a feeling Bobby Ryan is coming along with EK and Staal or Smith along with Beleskey is going the other way.

 

[bl02]

Chytil, Andersson, Howden down the middle for 10 years is an interesting prospect, for sure. Made even more intriguing considering Zibanejad and Hayes are both still quite young from a relative standpoint.

I wonder if NYR's plan is to have a 'core' quite literally built around good centers and defense, with mercenaries/what you can get, on the wing positions.

Its nice to know that we can truly go for best player on the board come this draft. If we can grab Svechnikov or Zadina great if not we have a chance to grab one of 4 dmen who can be a true impact future dman. In fact the "safer" bet would be to go for one of those dmen but if we had a chance at Svechnikov or Zadina that could be hard to pass up.

 

[haveandare]

Tough read.

Not sure what about Howden so far says 3C is his ceiling. Like, how many points should somsone put up to be thought to be a possible 2C?

 

[Edge]

Hajek is still a work in progress. He's just starting to discover elements to his game and putting them together. This is a kid you hope emerges as a better looking prospect in the pros then in juniors.

He's not a pure offensive defenseman, he's more of a two way type. He's still learning to pick his spots, when to pinch, how to better control the flow of things, etc.

He's a good skater, has good size and isn't afraid to take or give shots.

You're going to have to give this kid some time though. This is not a kid who looks like he's going to spend half a season in the AHL before getting looks.

 

[Fitzy]

Its nice to know that we can truly go for best player on the board come this draft. If we can grab Svechnikov or Zadina great if not we have a chance to grab one of 4 dmen who can be a true impact future dman. In fact the "safer" bet would be to go for one of those dmen but if we had a chance at Svechnikov or Zadina that could be hard to pass up.

The draft lottery has the potential to be a game-changer for this franchise.

The new rules in the NHL, coupled with the talent in the top 3 of this draft, are going to make for a stressful drawing.

I still think we're due after landing at #16 in the Crosby draft after 7 straight playoff misses.

 

[Alluckks]

If we signed Karlsson next off-season we can compete for the cup in less than 2 years after declaring a rebuild.
Draft Zadina. Sign Kovy.

This could be our lineup Opening Day - October 2019 - 17 months

Skjei Karlsson
Hajek Shattenkirk
Lindgren/Rykov DeAngelo/Pionk

Kreider Zib Buch
Zadina Chytil Zucc
Spooner Andersson Kovalchuk
Namestnikov Howden Fast

Or if Zucc is moved - replace that with Gusev who will be an UFA

 

[stan the caddy]

Haha. I know what you mean. Some names just aren’t right.

Petition to change his name to Gordie Gretzky. Now that's someone with a future.

 

[egelband]

We have arguably the best under 25 center depth in the league. After this draft, I recon we'll have some of the best defensive prospect depth in the league

Really? I hope so. I think that’s a controversial statement but I hope it’s true. Indeed, as you say, defensemen and centers.

 

[Edge]

What usually happens is a bunch of guys get lost to waivers or traded for garbage. This stockpiling of Defensemen prospects happened so many times before and it never led to any good trades only bad trades, waivers, escape clause to Europe, etc. Some awesome trades: Kloucek, Kundratek, McIlrath, Ryan Graves, Sanguinetti, Walcott, etc. We need to start drafting wingers and trading some Defensemen for forwards.

I have a feeling Bobby Ryan is coming along with EK and Staal or Smith along with Beleskey is going the other way.

I don't think it's stockpiling, so much as it's understanding that the odds of producing a quality NHL defenseman are lower than producing forwards.

Teams don't go in thinking they are going to stockpile defensemen for trades, so much as they understand they are going to lose some through attrition.

Should you happen to have an abundance of young defenseman, which is an accomplishment onto itself, THEN the bonus is that you can get value for them. But it's not necessarily the top line goal.

 

[egelband]

So did pretty much everyone we moved.

Did any of them leave money on the table to be Rangers?

 

[Alluckks]

Because in a rebuild you want to acquire the best talent you possibly can. You don't take a C- winger over a B+ Dman just because of position. Acquire the most top quality talent you can and then go from there.

Ryan Hartman just got traded for a 1st.

If one of these prospects is here and playing decent, but we got someone coming up that is better and we just want to recycle, we can.

 

[bl02]

If we signed Karlsson next off-season we can compete for the cup in less than 2 years after declaring a rebuild.
Draft Zadina. Sign Kovy.

This could be our lineup Opening Day - October 2019 - 17 months

Skjei Karlsson
Hajek Shattenkirk
Lindgren/Rykov DeAngelo/Pionk

Kreider Zib Buch
Zadina Chytil Zucc
Spooner Andersson Kovalchuk
Namestnikov Howden Fast

Or if Zucc is moved - replace that with Gusev who will be an UFA

Problem is that isn't EK getting traded? if he does he's gonna most likely sign long term with his new team. There is no way i'm going the trade route to get ek. would probably have to give up a top d , someone like Chytil and two firsts

 

[duhmetreE]

At initial glance... it's a major 'meh'. Nothing sexy.

That could be different 2-3 years from now.

The best outcome for the trade. could be...
Howden top6 C and leader
Hajek top4
Namestnikov solid middle6 player
Get a Tolvanen or Kucherov with one of the draft picks

trying to be somewhat optimistic...

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I think they just give up on defensemen too quickly, which creates constant desire to obtain more of them. What did Ryan Graves do wrong, not keep up the offensive production? They gave up on him without giving him a single game, while crappy forwards like Holland, Letteri, etc keep getting chance after chance. This happens because you need twice as many forwards as you do defensemen on the roster.

 

[Alluckks]

Problem is that isn't EK getting traded? if he does he's gonna most likely sign long term with his new team. There is no way i'm going the trade route to get ek. would probably have to give up a top d , someone like Chytil and two firsts

If today is an indicator, no that is not likely the cost...

Also, who says he wouldn't test the market? Especially if he is traded. It isn't like he is blocking a trade. Maybe he goes somewhere he doesn't want to live. Or maybe someone that is tight on budget and really did just get him as a rental.

 

[Edge]

The draft lottery has the potential to be a game-changer for this franchise.

The new rules in the NHL, coupled with the talent in the top 3 of this draft, are going to make for a stressful drawing.

I still think we're due after landing at #16 in the Crosby draft after 7 straight playoff misses.

The Rangers will likely land a very good player in this draft.

However, if by some small miracle they land Dahlin (and I'm going to allow myself to dream with you for a second), that changes the entire landscape. There's just no getting around it. The Rangers have never been in that type of position.

It changes what they do with all their other picks, it instantly elevates the cupboard, it impacts everything.

I'd even argue that Svechnikov and to a lesser extent Zadina or Boqvist have a tremendous impact on all of those things.

But Dahlin? That's a potential history-altering moment.

 

[Alluckks]

The Rangers will likely land a very good player in this draft.

However, if by some small miracle they land Dahlin (and I'm going to allow myself to dream with you for a second), that changes the entire landscape. There's just no getting around it. The Rangers have never been in that type of position.

It changes what they do with all their other picks, it instantly elevates the cupboard, it impacts everything.

I'd even argue that Svechnikov and to a lesser extent Zadina or Boqvist have a tremendous impact on all of those things.

But Dahlin? That's a potential history-altering moment.

I think the 4 names you mentioned can drastically help our franchise for a decade. Just Dahlin moreso.

 

[Fitzy]

The Rangers will likely land a very good player in this draft.

However, if by some small miracle they land Dahlin (and I'm going to allow myself to dream with you for a second), that changes the entire landscape. There's just no getting around it. The Rangers have never been in that type of position.

It changes what they do with all their other picks, it instantly elevates the cupboard, it impacts everything.

I'd even argue that Svechnikov and to a lesser extent Zadina or Boqvist have a tremendous impact on all of those things.

But Dahlin? That's a potential history-altering moment.

Maybe. I'm not going to let myself dream of Dahlin. I fell in love with the prospect of Zadina as a Ranger at the WJC, and I'll allow myself to hope for that. Any of the top 3 in this draft would go 1 overall last year.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

This was such an incredibly bad trade I just have no words. Why did we have to do this now when only 2-3 teams were interested in McD, instead of waiting after the playoffs when probably about 20 teams would have been interested? And why again are we letting Yzerman screw us so bad in a trade?

Our genius was so busy forcing this garbage play that he forgot to trade Desharnais, or is he considered so bad that nobody wanted him? really pissed about Miller being traded, he is so much better than Namestnikov.

And even if Namestnikov and Miller are equal value then all we got for a star player in his prime and a captain and on a good contract was 2 good prospects a very late 1st rounder and a very late 2nd rounder. And one of the prospects was another freaking defenseman. This is really poor asset management, because last time I checked you need 6 good defensemen, not 12 average ones. Including Miller was a mistake, his only main concern was scoring only 1 playoff goal in 40 games. Namestnikov has 1 goal in 29 playoff games. Looks like They are trying to build a large group of Russian players probably to attract Russian free agent stars like Kovalchuk.

Also if we were to wait for before the Draft then we would know the order of the picks and could have traded McD for a team with top 10 or 15 pick.

 

[egelband]

Also if we were to wait for before the Draft then we would know the order of the picks and could have traded McD for a team with top 10 or 15 pick.

Why didn’t you tell the Rangers this *before* the trade deadline!?

 

[bl02]

If today is an indicator, no that is not likely the cost...

Also, who says he wouldn't test the market? Especially if he is traded. It isn't like he is blocking a trade. Maybe he goes somewhere he doesn't want to live. Or maybe someone that is tight on budget and really did just get him as a rental.

I just thought that if some team traded for him they would try their best to sign him long term but i could be wrong.

 

[Alluckks]

Let's say we land pick #6. Boston loses in the 2nd round - pick #25. Tampa in the ECF - pick #29.

Hayes + Lindgren/Hajek + #6 + #25 + #29

Does that get us #1 overall from someone like Arizona?

It might.