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Confirmed with Link: McDonagh + Miller to Tampa Bay for Namestnikov + Howden + Hajek + 2018 1st + conditional 2019 1st

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Fitzy Duke of NY said:
Maybe. I'm not going to let myself dream of Dahlin. I fell in love with the prospect of Zadina as a Ranger at the WJC, and I'll allow myself to hope for that. Any of the top 3 in this draft would go 1 overall last year.
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I think Boqvist will be a riser as well and could have gone #1 last year. He is better than any D prospect in last years draft.
 
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Anyone with knowledge.... How accurate is this assessment

If Howden keeps improving, he projects as a Tyler Toffoli or Brayden Schenn at the NHL level; not a superstar-level talent, but a very effective second-line center.
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The very first thing I keep hearing about Hajek is how gritty he is.

I'm not going to judge him as a prospect based on that, but it's pretty scary.
 
Alluckks said:
Let's say we land pick #6. Boston loses in the 2nd round - pick #25. Tampa in the ECF - pick #29.

Hayes + Lindgren/Hajek + #6 + #25 + #29

Does that get us #1 overall from someone like Arizona?

It might.
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Sorry, but i'm not giving up all of that on a REBUILD. What good is having an elite defenseman with no team in front of him. Ask Ottawa.
 
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bl02 said:
Its nice to know that we can truly go for best player on the board come this draft. If we can grab Svechnikov or Zadina great if not we have a chance to grab one of 4 dmen who can be a true impact future dman. In fact the "safer" bet would be to go for one of those dmen but if we had a chance at Svechnikov or Zadina that could be hard to pass up.
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I do think you take the BPA but should that player be a high quality d-man prospect, it would suit me fine. I have good feelings about strength at centre during the next one to two seasons with some mixture of Hayes, Zibanejad, Andersson, Chytil, maybe Nieves (maybe someone else?). I'm not trying to count chickens before they hatch but I believe that it is already a good starting point; to be improved if and when the opportunity arises. I figured earlier this would not be a successful season, but there are different ways of looking at what qualifies as 'success'. Handling adversity well is success. To me, Gorton is doing a fine job so far. Rangers would stand to get a big bang from a top d-man. I'm not sold on Smith actually being a valuable part moving forward. He could be, but I'm soured on him.
 
bl02 said:
Problem is that isn't EK getting traded? if he does he's gonna most likely sign long term with his new team. There is no way i'm going the trade route to get ek. would probably have to give up a top d , someone like Chytil and two firsts
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If he does sign where he gets traded then so be it, but we'd be extremely foolish not to explore it.

On July 1st, 2019, Erik Karlsson should have 32 offers. There's no excuse not to, and there's no situation he doesn't immediately improve.

That includes Ottawa but they don't know what the f*** they're doing. They should be rebuilding AROUND Karlsson. I'd rather have Karlsson than any assets they get back in a trade. I'd rather have Karlsson than Chytil and two firsts but I don't realistically expect us to do that.

Everyone talks about Dahlin. Karlsson already is Dahlin.
 
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trilobyte said:
I do think you take the BPA but should that player be a high quality d-man prospect, it would suit me fine. I have good feelings about strength at centre during the next one to two seasons with some mixture of Hayes, Zibanejad, Andersson, Chytil, maybe Nieves (maybe someone else?). I'm not trying to count chickens before they hatch but I believe that it is already a good starting point; to be improved if and when the opportunity arises. I figured earlier this would not be a successful season, but there are different ways of looking at what qualifies as 'success'. Handling adversity well is success. To me, Gorton is doing a fine job so far. Rangers would stand to get a big bang from a top d-man. I'm not sold on Smith actually being a valuable part moving forward. He could be, but I'm soured on him.
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and the good thing as you look at this draft its strong at D (very strong). Decent to above decent at wing. Center and goalie meh (two of the positions we look stable at). So BPA will hopefully (and should) align with our most pressing future needs.
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
Sorry, but i'm not giving up all of that on a REBUILD. What good is having an elite defenseman with no team in front of him. Ask Ottawa.
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Man that is tempting for Dahlin who everyone praises as the second coming of Bobby Orr.
You're right thats a hell of a lot to give up.
 
bl02 said:
Man that is tempting for Dahlin who everyone praises as the second coming of Bobby Orr.
You're right thats a hell of a lot to give up.
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I feel like there is always a player or 2 a draft that is praised as the second coming of someone, more times than not they do turn into a great player, but not that generational player.
 
Alluckks said:


Board play and finesse here
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Man I saw Skjei do that a few times during the playoffs last year hopefully he will be doing it as well in a blueshirt. what a nice skating stride.
Plus people don't realize he was the pp QB for one of the best powerplays at the WJC. I know a small sample but still.
 
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Machinehead said:
See him skating it through the zone there? AV already benched him for that :laugh:
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The foreign scouting reports I got on him is that he a big guy, but doesn't lumber. He doesn't have the high end speed you see the top scorers display, but he has top notch acceleration and first step, and does it smoothly. Collapses on the puck with ease and looks to move it out of the zone, doesn't move the puck backwards. His knock is no big shot and doesn't look like a primary powerplay guy - which keeps from from having #1 D potential.
 
So what time tables are we looking at here?

Howden in the AHL next year? with the rare chance out of camp?
Hajek? Is he in the AHL next year?
 
Unless the Rangers get extremely lucky and win the draft lottery, the idea they are going to trade for Karlsson, sign Kovalchuk, Nash, whoever in FA just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Once McDonagh was traded, that signals to me this team is in rebuild mode for the foreseeable future. No shortcuts. I'd say the odds are we see guys like Zucc, Kreider, Namestnikov, Spooner, Shattenkirk traded are astronomically higher then somehow ending up trading for Karlsson. What the hell would be the point of trading McDonagh for assets, and the turning around and giving up more assets for Karlsson? In FA, fine, maybe it makes sense, especially if the Rangers youngsters impress next season. But other than that, I don't see them signing big FA's or trading for someone like Karlsson.
 
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Alluckks said:
The foreign scouting reports I got on him is that he a big guy, but doesn't lumber. He doesn't have the high end speed you see the top scorers display, but he has top notch acceleration and first step, and does it smoothly. Collapses on the puck with ease and looks to move it out of the zone, doesn't move the puck backwards. His knock is no big shot and doesn't look like a primary powerplay guy - which keeps from from having #1 D potential.
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Hoping for Mike Sauer.

Similar to what I'm hoping for out of Lindgren.

People have floated Vlasic out there but I think his offense is underrated. 30 points a year in the NHL. These guys aren't hitting 30 points a year where they are now.

McDonagh's offense took a big leap at this level but it's rare.
 
DanielBrassard said:
Unless the Rangers get extremely lucky and win the draft lottery, the idea they are going to trade for Karlsson, sign Kovalchuk, Nash, whoever in FA just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Once McDonagh was traded, that signals to me this team is in rebuild mode for the foreseeable future. No shortcuts. I'd say the odds are we see guys like Zucc, Kreider, Namestnikov, Spooner, Shattenkirk traded are astronomically higher then somehow ending up trading for Karlsson. What the hell would be the point of trading McDonagh for assets, and the turning around and giving up more assets for Karlsson? In FA, fine, maybe it makes sense, especially if the Rangers youngsters impress next season. But other than that, I don't see them signing big FA's or trading for someone like Karlsson.
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No, I wouldn't trade for Karlsson at this point. If we were going to do that, we could have packaged McDonagh for Karlsson.

But you make him an offer in FA. He transcends a rebuild.
 
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If you haven’t already I recommended watching Yzermans presser. It’s 20 min long and he covers the deal at length. Obviously they are very happy to improve their team by adding Mac and JT. But to his admission it was at a very high cost to get that type of quality back.

He mentioned several times that the Prospects they gave up were very very good. It was interesting to hear his take on it to get the other perspective and how he would feel if he were a Rangers fan.
 
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duhmetreE said:
So what time tables are we looking at here?

Howden in the AHL next year? with the rare chance out of camp?
Hajek? Is he in the AHL next year?
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Yes. Both should be there next season.

I think Howden has a shot out of camp. But it’s waaaay too early to know for sure.
 
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