Confirmed with Link: McDonagh + Miller to Tampa Bay for Namestnikov + Howden + Hajek + 2018 1st + conditional 2019 1st
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prax, a logical post. thank you. no i'm not being sarcastic. but also let's not forget that he is older and he plays a lot of minutes. if he gets used less, i.e., as not a 1D, it could just be a reflection of where he is meant to be playing now in his career. we wouldnt play him as anything but a 1D and he would just continue to be as disappointing as he has been compared to where he once was. but yes, if he returns to form, you might chalk that up to AV assuming he gets the same minutes and is expected to perform at the same level as we expected here
Edge
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In fairness, it's gotten better. It can get crazy, but not nearly as scary crazy as it used to be.
HatTrick Swayze
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RangerLifer
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JT Kreider
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I wouldn't be shocked if he's back to 2012 Mactruck in Tampa now that he's away from AV. As a matter of fact, I'm counting on it and I will be even more infuriated with Gorton for not firing AV before making this dumb trade
mrmovies779
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I honestly feel we already got Ryan's best hockey.With his injuries these past few years,his body is already beginning to break down.Add on to that hes going to want a boat load of term and money for his next contract.Waiting for the draft to trade him also could have backfired.Lets say he did resume playing for us this year and proceeds to tear his knee,resulting in surgery and months of rehab.I'm not sure teams would have been banging down our door then with better packages then what we got.The time to move him was now.We can argue about the value we got for him until we are blue in the face,but it was the right time.
RangerLifer
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Me too. Gorton probably just wants to concentrate on rebuilding for next year and onward and doesn't want to be bogged down with hiring a new coach. Just a thought.
Feel free to compile of list of all deadline moves and people can evaluate. Secondly, "successful" is a relative term. How good do they have to be to be successful? Crosby? Stamkos? It would also be dependent on what one considers a prospect. Would Duclair, Amonte, Weight, qualify?
JT Kreider
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I kind of just meant off the top of our heads. I was assuming between us all someone would come up with a decent answer.
Larrybiv
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Funny how just about every post for the 1st 2 pages here were "horrible trade" and I can attest that towards 2 things.
Very high expectations (Sergachev, Point etc) and
Simply not "educated enough" on who we received.
I, for one am guilty, but in the back of my mind it's understood that I believe JG and staff are more knowledgeable than I, and most here. We have to TRUST that they know what they were doing.......hard for most, after all we are Rangers fans.
Now that everyone hopefully has stepped away from the ledge (and informative posters have posted), we all can breathe a sigh of relief that we indeed weren't fleeced. Or, so it may seem. Obviously, the verdict will be out for some significant time.
We may laugh about this someday (hopefully). That's all folks!
Very high expectations (Sergachev, Point etc) and
Simply not "educated enough" on who we received.
I, for one am guilty, but in the back of my mind it's understood that I believe JG and staff are more knowledgeable than I, and most here. We have to TRUST that they know what they were doing.......hard for most, after all we are Rangers fans.
Now that everyone hopefully has stepped away from the ledge (and informative posters have posted), we all can breathe a sigh of relief that we indeed weren't fleeced. Or, so it may seem. Obviously, the verdict will be out for some significant time.
We may laugh about this someday (hopefully). That's all folks!
Ghost of jas
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No, it’s about people on this site who have earned my trust and respect over the years in whose opinion I put a lot more faith than the talking heads. Many posters operate in good faith. I participate in discussions with plenty of posters, and even when I’ve had my disagreements I stay away from animosity. We discussed a potential deal for McDonagh for weeks. The level-headed posters, most notably Edge and Trxjw, agreed that a deal for McDonagh that included Foote, Howden or Raddysh, a 1st this year and a conditional 2nd next year would be the likely return. And, it damn near was. That’s not rationalization.
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If having a full career in the best hockey league in the world as a guy playing 82 games on the season barring injuries is not the measurement of a successful career, some of you need a reality check.
NYR Viper
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Toronto traded a couple of first's to Boston, they selected Hamilton and Seguin I believe.
You and Machinehead need to get together and have a “who can create unrealistic scenarios just so they can have something to complain about” contest.
Holy shit dude. You spent the entire summer bitching about how this team would never go through a rebuild. You’re getting your wish and you’re STILL complaining?
Ghost of jas
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That was the Kessel deal. Rask was dealt straight up for Raycroft.
Those were draft day moves.
Trades like McDonagh rarely happen at the deadline. It’s usually rentals who go for picks more often than prospects.
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Was too angered by this deal to post yesterday.
Slept on it, Analyzed it... Its sucks!
Gorton won the Holden trade
Gorton won the Grabner trade with a slight margin
Gorton won the Boston trade by a huge margin
Gorton flat out lost the McDonagh, Miller trade.
Slept on it, Analyzed it... Its sucks!
Gorton won the Holden trade
Gorton won the Grabner trade with a slight margin
Gorton won the Boston trade by a huge margin
Gorton flat out lost the McDonagh, Miller trade.
but JT Kreider, isn't it telling that you yourself are recalling a time when he was known as 2012 Mactruck? that's 5 years ago man. a lot can happen to a player in those 5 years. the player we just traded is a different player. teams recognize that. we aren't somehow more intelligent than others or somehow more deserving because we want to be. all these clubs are managed by intelligent operations. there's no one club that just wins every year. if that were the case tampa would have made the playoffs way more times in the last decade. and the hawks wouldn't be as bad as they are right now.
and we got to the cup finals and/or the playoffs in many/most of those SUBSEQUENT years. and didn't we defeat the lightning at least some of those years in some round in the playoffs. i dont want to check wikipedia or whatever right now. my point is, AV got us pretty far long. if we won the cup the story would be so different now. but only one team can win... there's something to be said of getting far enough. at some point your players have to show up too. and rangers players have a history of disappearing. yes i am generalizing, i know.
mrmovies779
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At what point do we stop blaming AV and start blaming the players?I'm no fan of AV and want him gone,but at some point we need to realize some of these players were the problem too.Miller a perfect example.
NYR Viper
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I know everyone is talking about McDonagh being gone and how much we got or didn't get for him since he was perhaps our best chip and our captain. But in terms of what we lost on the ice, do you think we lost much at all with him? Personally, I don't. Not this version of him. Was he our most reliable defenseman? Yeah, probably. Did he really 'do much' out there? No, not in the last couple of year he didn't.
With Nash, I feel like I notice that he's not on the ice. He may not score like he used to but he makes things happen. Plus, he's very good on both sides of the puck.
Grabner is also noticeable in that same way that Hagelin was. That speed is hard to miss. And his hand/eye coordination was some of the best I've ever seen.
Miller - some games you miss him and some you don't. He wasn't always out there (mentally). And sometimes when he was, he was just giving the puck away by making the same stupid pass to the opposition over and over again. He should have been so much better.
Holden? Whatever.
With Nash, I feel like I notice that he's not on the ice. He may not score like he used to but he makes things happen. Plus, he's very good on both sides of the puck.
Grabner is also noticeable in that same way that Hagelin was. That speed is hard to miss. And his hand/eye coordination was some of the best I've ever seen.
Miller - some games you miss him and some you don't. He wasn't always out there (mentally). And sometimes when he was, he was just giving the puck away by making the same stupid pass to the opposition over and over again. He should have been so much better.
Holden? Whatever.
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