Confirmed with Link: McDonagh + Miller to Tampa Bay for Namestnikov + Howden + Hajek + 2018 1st + conditional 2019 1st

[Siddi]

I think the big issue people(myself included) have with this trade is poor expectations.

- We saw what Gorton got in the other trades, and were hoping for a fleecing.
- We got news that Miller was added and immediately assumed we got Point or Sergachev
- If Hajek and Howden were the same exact players they are today, but Tampa didnt have Point/Sergachev/Foote, we likely would be celebrating the fact that we got their 2 top prospects. But because Tampa is so loaded with them, we are upset over not getting the top 2.
- But most importantly, we thought McDonagh's worth was higher than it really is. As many other posters have pointed out, when you look at trades that compare to McDonagh, they were on par.

We could have wanted a blue chip cant miss prospect, but no one was offering it. I was in the group that believed McDonagh's value would have went down at the draft. If this was the best offer that Gorton could have gotten yesterday, then you just have to accept that fact. Keeping McDonagh makes no sense. Someone is going to give him 7x7, and I surely dont want it to be us. So disappointment is clearly linked to poor expectations. Sure I would have loved to get Sergachev or Point, but I am confident that Gorton got the best possible return for McDonagh.

Great post.

My first reaction to the trade was disgust but after sleeping on it and reading up on the pieces we aquired I believe Gorton got fair deal.

The problem I have is the Miller trade. I believe AV handled him wrong and I would have loved to see what he would look like under a new coach.

 

[AK 27]

Who is the best available coach out there that's known to be good with young players? Are there any?

Sutter?
Quennville (if he becomes available)?
Will they consider Ruff?

 

[haveandare]

we arent close to contending though and we'll be stuck with another annoyingly expensive contract to deal with later. not worth it for a rebuild. mcDo isn't the first and he isn't the last good defenseman. he's also certainly no Karlsson or Leetch. we'll find another defenseman we can call a top D in the league. rangers inevitably get talent. but some things take time. all great teams are not that great for short (or long) periods of time. people just conveniently ignore that part when making their arguments. look at tampa, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2016 -- didn't even make the playoffs.

I'm not saying we should do that now. Just saying that it's not a hard rule imo, when elite talent is on the table and you suspect the deal won't be great in the tail years, if the good years line up with your window, you do it anyway imo.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Who is the best available coach out there that's known to be good with young players? Are there any?

Sutter?
Quennville?
Will they consider Ruff?

Keefe.

Or throw a blank check at Jim Montgomery.

 

[Mac n Gs]

It’s also critical to mention that Howden and Hajek are two years into their developments. They’re more of a known quantity and it’s a tad easier to forecast where they’ll be in a year two. Gorton mentioned that he thinks this can be a quicker turnaround than expected. This trade, and trade deadline, was as much about setting up a pipeline of prospects that have taken developmental steps and adding picks to create a newer pipeline of younger guys. We already have good young NHL players right now that we can add to in the next year or two. This isn’t a scorched earth rebuild like Buffalo, nor will it be a tire fire gong show like Edmonton where we rush our kids. We didn’t rush Lias or Chytil, and look how they’re doing. This next top pick will be huge for us depending on where it ends up in the lottery. This whole thing is a process, and we already have good components to further it along

 

[Thirty One]

Outside of Forsberg, can anyone name prospects who were acquired at the TDL that would go on to have successful careers?

Aleksi Saarela is a future star.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Keefe.

Or throw a blank check at Jim Montgomery.

Blank checks we have.

 

[nyr2k2]

You know, I was always on the Miller bandwagon. When he was bouncing up and down between NYR and Hartford, and people were saying he sucks, waste, get rid of him, etc., I always maintained that he'd find his game and become a player who more than justified his draft position. So to see him leave, you'd think I'd be upset. I'm not, in the slightest, as I've observed some real issues with his game over the past season and a half that he doesn't seem to care to address, and he also appears (to me) to have some attitude concerns. For me, it's adios, amigo.

That said, I think including him should have gotten us one more piece. But it is what it is. I will lose no sleep over his departure.

 

[JT Kreider]

Aleksi Saarela is a future star.

So pretty much none? Not a good sign.

 

[Edge]

Why would teams be willing to pay McD 8-9 mill a year if he was not worth a top 15 pick?

Well, for one obvious reason, because they know they are 12 months away from trying to have both. That's why I think if McD had 3 years left on his deal, the return is different.

I mean if you were a GM, and you had a top 15 pick, would you package that pick and your best young player as part of a huge offer for McD with one year left? Even if the answer is yes for you, it clearly wasn't for anyone else.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

So pretty much none? Not a good sign.

Iginla was a pretty good one.

Most deadline deals are rentals though. You’re not going to get the cream of the crop prospect wise for those kinds of players.

 

[kramer987]

I'm not saying we should do that now. Just saying that it's not a hard rule imo, when elite talent is on the table and you suspect the deal won't be great in the tail years, if the good years line up with your window, you do it anyway imo.

i take your point that it is not a hard rule. in this instance, paying mcDo 7 or whatever million when he is 30 and we are just getting into the swing of things with our new talent class would be silly. although he is our captain, he never struck me as a leader of this team. he doesn't represent this team in my view. he doesn't speak for it either. that continues to be our washed up goalie. the sooner we can get rid of him, the better. but that's a different conversation. we can hang onto him for another 1-2 years until our KHL guy comes over, together with our other KHL talent. i'd rather pay Kovalchuk a few million to help those guys with the KHL to NHL transition than pay mcDo his 7 million or lundquist any more of his absurd contract

 

[Hockey Gamer]

Trade value nowadays is so relative to the player's age, term and cap hit.

McDonagh at age 24 with four years left on his contract could've returned an elite prospect package.

Sadly, a glorified rental McDonagh that has his longest and biggest contract renewal pending, is not going to haul back an elite prospect.

I think if anything the chances of getting equal value at the draft would've been worse, let alone actually getting something better. At the draft McDonagh becomes a true rental. Teams aren't giving an elite prospect for only 1 season of security with McDonagh when they could just wait and talk to him during free agency a few months later.

We needed to trade with a contending team that is in win-now mode so they wouldn't have the luxury of waiting to negotiate with McDonagh when he becomes a free agent and thus, would have to give us something now. Gorton took the best deal available.

 

[RangerLifer]

Tampa fans are gloating right now and I suspect it is because they think they are getting the 2013-2014 version of McD???

If so, they are going to be majorly disappointed.

 

[Siddi]

Honestly, when you start listening to your wife like McDonagh did and your manhood falls off, you're basically done in my book as a player I want on my team.

Please elaborate.

 

[Edge]

So pretty much none? Not a good sign.

I think it's more a matter of people not necessarily having the time to dive into a research project while at work.

 

[Jonas1235]

Those rugged players always deteriorate faster than skilled players do. JT Miller will lose speed in 2-3 years just like Callahan/Dubinsky/Anisimov all have. Cannot give long-term contract to these players. I'm glad NYR moved on from him. Use that money on Skjei and eventually on Buchnevich.

 

[kramer987]

all of these posts/points. this is the bottom line. once people accept that here on the rangers' side of things, this board will be a lot more palatable / substantiated by reason.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Please explain why we would need Tkachuk. Depending on who is available, this is my top-10 of who we should go for if available:

1. Dahlin
2. Svechnikov
3. Zadina
4. Boqvist
5. Hughes
6. Wahlstrom
7. Bouchard
8. Dobson
9. Tkachuk
10.Woo/Farabee

He’s a big gritty winger who can score as well as he can agitate. Great pedigree, seeing some of Matt’s success I think sways me a bit. Obviously if we pick top 3, we don’t take him, but after 3, that’s the guy I’d go with.

 

[kramer987]

Trade value nowadays is so relative to the player's age, term and cap hit.

McDonagh at age 24 with four years left on his contract could've returned an elite prospect package.

Sadly, a glorified rental McDonagh that has his longest and biggest contract renewal pending, is not going to haul back an elite prospect.

I think if anything the chances of getting equal value at the draft would've been worse, let alone actually getting something better. At the draft McDonagh becomes a true rental. Teams aren't giving an elite prospect for only 1 season of security with McDonagh when they could just wait and talk to him during free agency a few months later.

We needed to trade with a contending team that is in win-now mode so they wouldn't have the luxury of waiting to negotiate with McDonagh when he becomes a free agent and thus, would have to give us something now. Gorton took the best deal available.

Tampa fans are gloating right now and I suspect it is because they think they are getting the 2013-2014 version of McD???

If so, they are going to be majorly disappointed.

 

[Thirty One]

So pretty much none? Not a good sign.

I don't know. I don't have a database of prospects traded at the deadline readily at my disposal. Most deadline deals involve mostly picks.

 

[FJB]

Tampa fans are gloating right now and I suspect it is because they think they are getting the 2013-2014 version of McD???

If so, they are going to be majorly disappointed.

If McD starts playing like he did in 2013-2014, then it's just another sign that AV was the issue.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

This board could be a case study on Stockholm syndrome.

 

[aufheben]

Outside of Forsberg, can anyone name prospects who were acquired at the TDL that would go on to have successful careers?

I mean, if you want to list every TDL transaction from the last decade, I'm sure there's more than one instance lol.

 

[Edge]

If McD starts playing like he did in 2013-2014, then it's just another sign that AV was the issue.

Perhaps.

It could also owe a lot of the players he's surrounded by, the assignments they draw, his role and deployment on a team in which there are several guys who can play 30 minutes, and other factors.

I just don't think it would be as straight forward as, "See, it was AV!"