Confirmed with Link: McDonagh + Miller to Tampa Bay for Namestnikov + Howden + Hajek + 2018 1st + conditional 2019 1st

[eco's bones]

He's not some *****. This guy is great.

He scraps occasionally. I don't know if a lot of people on this board care for that....but I like it. Miller used to do that a bit too but that's kind of been absent from his game the last couple years.

FWIW Howden scraps occasionally too. Lindgren and Hajek are probably going to have to learn how to defend themselves too if they plan on continuing their kind of physical games in the NHL. Both of them like to freight train players which I like too but you got to answer the bell now and again when you do that. That IMO should be a silver lining for us from these deals because we've been a pretty soft team that's kind of avoided physical play and not stuck up for each other. One of the reasons I'm interested in Domi or Sam Bennett as reclamation projects. They are players that have skill but they also have spirit and won't get pushed around. It's a way to forge an identity and IMO this team needs that.

 

[Off Sides]

I guess I wouldn't consider that a flaw so much as just being the way it is.

While two of our goals as we move forward will be to add a #1 defenseman and #1 center, that doesn't necessarily mean we don't make any moves until we are in a position to land one.

I'm really not too worried about the Rangers passing on top flight guys because they lack character or intangibles. I think we're in a different place now. It's a bit easier to take chances and roll the dice when the cupboard is being restocked, you start to feel comfortable with what you have, and you have the picks to keep adding to your supply.

I think that's one of the reasons Clark has always been pushing for more picks to play with. I think he would love to have a balance. Now we see if they can find the right mix.

I hope so, maybe it's just my perception, I so far can't shake the idea that they are going to end up a character team who is lacking top end talent as I don't think they received that ceiling back at this deadline (given admitting I have not seen the prospects or know much about them other than what can be read) , not sure the late picks are going to provide those ceilings without a ton of luck, so really, their own picks may be the only avenue and if they are there weighting character over talent with their own picks...

 

[eco's bones]

What's the downside on Tkachuk?

I love Tkachuk. Big, physical winger--very good talent, excellent WJC. His dad was a hell of a player. Toughness, skill. Both Matt and Brady are chips off the old block.

He ain't Dahlin though and if you're picking second I think you have to go with Svechnikov.

 

[Edge]

The Rangers have A LOT of defnesemen in the organization as of now. It would seem Skjei, ADA, Pionk and possibly Gilmour/O'Gara seem like NHL defensmen at varying depth points. They added Hajek, Rykov and Lindgren to that group. Howden was the only forward prospect they received. Interesting.

I just hope a lot of people understand how much of a process this is.

I think we've been talking so much about rebuilding the last few weeks, and there's been so much change, that people subconsciously think it's been going on for longer than it has.

The reality is that we're just getting started.

Assuming there are no changes, either by addition or subtraction, in less than four months this team could potentially add 8 other names in the first 4 rounds of this draft that would be sprinkled among their top 20 prospects. Just think about that for a second.

And that says nothing about having three picks in the top 62 next year (potentially two in the top 31).

 

[LORDE]

With all the talk about elite talent and 1st overalls and top 5 picks etc. I'd just like to remind everyone that the current league leader in points was a 2nd round pick...another in the top 5 wasn't even in the first 50 picks (Gaudreau).

One of the main competitors of the teams these guys play on are led by the 45th overall, soon to be hart nominee, a 3rd round pick who took a little while to reach the elite level and a winger picked in, yep, the 20-25 overall range at number 25.

The team this board is dedicated to has been led by a 7th round pick since 2006, a man most certainly elite.

A player in the running for a norris this year was a mere 3rd round pick himself.

The long standing Red wings captain was a 7th round pick alongside another little Russian guy who went late and played for the same team until recently.

The captain of the Dallas stars (incidentally, a former art ross winner) was a 5th round selection.

The Captain of the Flyers was number 23 in the 1st round one year. The Canadiens captain went 22nd the year afterwards.

For the record, only three of these guys have won cups, one of whom is retired. Only four teams have featured any of these players and been to the finals. I'd still take any one of them on the Rangers, and yes, they'd be elite.

It's not where we draft. It's who.

While all of this (especially ur last sentence) may be true...

This is why u don’t trade away 1st after 1st after 1st.

Ur digging the sand out from beneath ur own feet. Maybe 1 1st when ur “going for it” but so many in a short period (to say nothing of the myriad of 2nds) is sacrificing the future NYR for the present.

Reap what we sow

 

[Fvital92]

I see Gilmour as a 6/7 and pionk as a 4/5

I see Ada as a 2/3 and shatty as a 2/3

Hypothetically if you won the lottery and got dahlin...next year you could run...

Staal deangelo
Dahlin shattenkirk
Skjei pionk


Of course that completely depends on landing a generational talent the is to ping pong balls...but it's not a God awful defense by any stretch...it's balanced young and has experience on every pair.

Will it win a cup? Eff no. Will it make the playoffs? Unlikely. But will it get steamrolled night in and night out...as long as av is not the coach of be confident in saying no.

If Dahlin is as good as advertised, it's better than this year defense. I would try to trade Staal and give a shot to one of the millions LD prospects to make the team.

 

[Edge]

I hope so, maybe it's just my perception, I so far can't shake the idea that they are going to end up a character team who is lacking top end talent as I don't think they received that ceiling back at this deadline (given admitting I have not seen the prospects or know much about them other than what can be read) , not sure the late picks are going to provide those ceilings without a ton of luck, so really, their own picks may be the only avenue and if they are there weighting character over talent with their own picks...

There's no doubt that is going to be one of their challenges - to find top end talent. But before we go down that path, let's at least see how they do in the draft this year and next year.

Right now they have what could be a combined 12 picks in the top 100 of each draft, and I don't think they're done adding.

 

[Beacon]

EDMONTON’ S PATH HAS NOT WORKED!!!!!!!!! I would rather not be mired in mediocrity for millennia, thank you.

To be fair, their farm was empty by the time they got their first 1OA in 2010. They had a few players, but we already have a lot more. You can't win with just a couple of top end players, but you can't win without them either. They didn't add enough youth to have quality depth. We just loaded up on depth players. Now let's hope we can score a few hits for first liner and first pair guys.

 

[GregSirico]

I know there's been a lot of debate about 'the big trade' and the deadline in general. After sleeping on it, here is where I am with it:

1) At the end of the day the Rangers lost a total of 5 players. 4 of which were in the lineup consistently.
2) What they got back in return was opportunity to start over and get better. This is now on the scouts and coaching staff.
3) It's not as if they traded away a Malkin and Crosby or a Toews/Kane. What they had in place was not working.
4) McDonagh has not been the same player since he became captain. He seems slower and makes a lot of mistakes. Perhaps too many nagging injuries. He was a very good player but I don't think losing him is an "Oh my God, now what are we gonna do" moment.
5) We got the best out of Nash that we could. It's not like he's going to blossom somewhere else. He'll be hitting a lot of posts for Boston and wherever he lands afterwards. A very good 2-way player but that's not why we traded for him in the first place. We haven't had a true sniper in years (Gaborik?).
6) The Rangers probably saw the best that Grabner has to offer. Still very effective. Lots of EN goals. Great on the PK. It's not a tragic loss, though.
7) Miller needed a change of scenery. I consider him for Namestnikov a wash. Miller was too inconsistent. Some days he played up to his potential and other nights he was completely invisible. Plus, he gave the puck away SO much. He seemed overly frustrated. I think he'll do well in TB.

What the Rangers lack are IMPACT players. If you were the opposing team, who would you be afraid of from the Rangers? No one. There's no, "We need to keep an eye on that McDavid kid" type of player. We have a lot of role players. But without the money players the role players are expected to do more than they are capable of. We just lack talent. When we cross the blue line we don't know what to do with the puck but dump it because there's no skill to actually make a move, control, pass, and find the back of the net. We need these types of players... at least a few.

That is all. Would love to hear feedback (good or bad).

I think this is pretty accurate. It's the one thing this franchise has lacked in the entire 'Hank Era' ... the big impact player who can take over a game. Maybe Jagr was the best we had but that was towards the end of him being a top 5 player in the league (still very good but not the best player.) But during this run, we had lots of 'really good' players, lots of depth (which is important), but we never had that franchise dynamic forward who can take over a game. We never had a Crosby, a Kane, a Tavares, a McDavid. And those guys matter big time. No matter how many NHLers pan out from this rebuild, it won't matter if we can't acquire a franchise forward who can take over a game. That is what we need.

 

[JimmyG89]

The Rangers have A LOT of defnesemen in the organization as of now. It would seem Skjei, ADA, Pionk and possibly Gilmour/O'Gara seem like NHL defensmen at varying depth points. They added Hajek, Rykov and Lindgren to that group. Howden was the only forward prospect they received. Interesting.

Better yet, they're all LHD. Losing McD, Smith being bad, Holden gone, Staal a shell of himself, Graves never made it. It makes sense they targeted LHD. You're looking at in 2 years, Skjei is the only guy left from this group above.

Before these moves, the organizational outlook on the left side was not very good.

Skjei, Graves, Gilmour, Sean Day, Reunanen, Crawley, and Sjalin

Everyone beyond Skjei is questionable to make it. Day the most boom to be a top 4 guy. All the guys they got have a shot at playing on a 2nd pair at some point.

There are quite a few RHD at the top of the draft. Right now, it looks like there are three in the top 10: Boqvist, Bouchard, and Noah Dobson (just inside or outside the top 10, depending on the mockups). If they fall into the 6-10 range and Boqvist is gone, I think they'll go after one of the other two RHD, with taking wings with their other 1sts. Swing for the fences in 2nd and 3rd rounds.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Another way of looking at it, we got roughly the same for McDonagh, a non-rental, as we got for a 36 year old rental Brian Leetch: 1, 2 and a pair of good, but unspectacular D+F prospects. Except we also downgraded Miller for Names. Sure you now know that Kondratiev and Immonen busted (and we all know there's no chance of Howden, Hijak or any of our current prospects going bust), but at the time, they were seen as A- prospects. In fact, the first rounder we got was known from the start to likely be higher than Tampa's one. I don't want to hear comments, "at the time we got 1+2 and a pair of minor leaguers" because that's 20-20 vision. The 2 prospects we got in 2004 were viewed at the time about the same as the 2 prospects we got now.

So a 36-year-old Leetch rental brings in what a 28-year-old McDonagh non-rental brings us, except Leetch returned a better first rounder and we downgraded our forwards (Miller/Names). And that 2004 trade was never seen as a big win for the Rangers. FML.

I agree on McDonagh,s return even compared to what Tampa received from us for StLouis. The only variable that has changed since the Leeetch trade is there was no cap back then so more teams could get in on the bidding and therefore theoretically driving up the price.

 

[JimmyG89]

And that says nothing about having three picks in the top 62 next year (potentially two in the top 31).

People talk about Zuccarello getting us a 1st at this draft. I would prefer a team trade us a 2019 1st for him, if we can get a 1st. Unless a team is giving up a top 15 pick for 1 year of Zuccarello (which I don't think any team will), deferring it to 2019 would be best. The acquiring team could pull a St. Louis and not be as good as they thought.

 

[Off Sides]

There's no doubt that is going to be one of their challenges - to find top end talent. But before we go down that path, let's at least see how they do in the draft this year and next year.

Right now they have what could be a combined 12 picks in the top 100 of each draft, and I don't think they're done adding.

Correct, perhaps my points are being portrayed poorly by myself

I am happy about the direction, I think they received decent to good value back, everything made sense. All the things I have been pinning for forever.

I'm just concerned they go overboard with the character idea because in every Gorton speech (or whatever one calls them) he is speaking about that as, (perceived by myself perhaps incorrectly), the main talking point.

 

[nevesis]

A must read for everyone interested in what went down yesterday.

Ryan McDonagh and J.T. Miller Trade: Analyzing What the Rangers Got Back

 

[Edge]

People talk about Zuccarello getting us a 1st at this draft. I would prefer a team trade us a 2019 1st for him, if we can get a 1st. Unless a team is giving up a top 15 pick for 1 year of Zuccarello (which I don't think any team will), deferring it to 2019 would be best. The acquiring team could pull a St. Louis and not be as good as they thought.

In my head, I am sensing 2019 pick if they end up trading him.

It depends on his perceived value. He seemed to get lost in the shuffle at the deadline. That or he's another one that might not quite have as hot of a market as we might want to believe.

 

[Edge]

Correct, perhaps my points are being portrayed poorly by myself

I am happy about the direction, I think they received decent to good value back, everything made sense. All the things I have been pinning for forever.

I'm just concerned they go overboard with the character idea because in every Gorton speech (or whatever one calls them) he is speaking about that as, (perceived by myself perhaps incorrectly), the main talking point.

I'll be shocked if we don't come away with at least two very big swings from this draft.

 

[Blueshirts777]

If Dahlin is as good as advertised, it's better than this year defense. I would try to trade Staal and give a shot to one of the millions LD prospects to make the team.

The only way Staal is off this team next year is a buyout, and I don't see the Rangers doing that

 

[Beacon]

Pittsburgh and Chicago have basically won every cup in recent years. No other strategy is working at all. Not to mention Tampa is the favorite this year who have drafted in top five several times.

From 2008 to 2013, Tampa drafted: 1, 2, 6, 27, 10, 3. You can fail with a rebuild if you don't execute it right, but you'll definitely fail if you do not have a rebuild.

 

[GregSirico]

A must read for everyone interested in what went down yesterday.

Ryan McDonagh and J.T. Miller Trade: Analyzing What the Rangers Got Back

Read this earlier this AM, Adam totally nailed it.

 

[Fvital92]

The only way Staal is off this team next year is a buyout, and I don't see the Rangers doing that

Maybe he waives, he knows that he isn't part of the future and the next 2 years will be ugly.

 

[offdacrossbar]

i may be alone here but think gorton did an excellent job turning nash, grabs, holden and mcd27 plus miller into a huge haul of prospects and picks

mcd27 has alot of miles on him and that 2nd contract at 27/28 yrs old scares me. he's past his prime imo.

miller was always an enigma. time to cut bait and avoid his next deal too.

we have 5 picks 3 1sts and 2 2nds plus 2 3rds. that a shit ton of picks. now we can only hope they get this right. either make all the picks and hope they find gems or package them up and move up. they have options and thats the key on draft day. purpose and options. and always draft the best player available irregardless of need or position.

my 1st choice continues to be the same guy. we won't get dahlin but philip zadina is going to be a ny ranger on draft day. thats my prediction and im sticking with it.

dahlin will go 1 OA and the russian to buf next. i see us moving up and pouncing on zadina.

the guys we got back specifically from tampa are being undersold here. if theres a better drafting organization than tampa I've yet to see it. i see alot of syracuse crunch hockey and tampa always has solid kids in the pipeline. howden and hajek are both very good prospects. like in very good and very likely to be solid nhl players.

i like whats being done here. im willing to experience some short term pain for long term gain.

 

[Off Sides]

I'll be shocked if we don't come away with at least two very big swings from this draft.

I think that is a given with the later round picks, they are all mostly likely to be swings.

I just hope when they are up there with their first pick of the draft they are thinking about taking a swing for talent over anything else.

However if they feel it would be better to take that swing at the next draft, should they feel it has better players to swing at, that works too.

And some of my feelings come from how I perceived the past hierarchy, Gaborik gets abused, no reprisal from the team, they draft McIlrath. Goalie gets injured, they draft three of them, kind of stuff, maybe I need to let that stuff go at this point, but I'm cynical by nature.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I am having major mood swings about this trade, which I guess means it was a good deal for both sides.

But I just can't get out of my mind that I'm not too happy that the best roster player coming back in a deal for both McDonagh and Miller was Namestikov.

 

[trench23]

One of the things some people don't want to hear, and there's some validity to it, is that maybe the return for McD was close to accurate.

At some point, the Rangers decided that McD was not part of their future. There were reasons behind that, and we can speculate, but it wasn't really a mystery.

Teams let us know pretty early on, and pretty consistently, that the Marners, Nylanders and Sergachevs of the world were not on the table. That didn't change.

At least half-a-dozen teams checked-in about McD and decided what he was worth to them.

The final deal was not all that different than deals that were floated around on here.

It is quite possible that maybe it was the inflated value some people assigned to McD that was inaccurate, and not the market, and other GMs, and the Rangers.

It's possible that the same analysis that the Rangers conducted to determine whether McD fit into their future, was very similar to the type of analysis conducted by other teams. Maybe they arrived at somewhat similar conclusions and decided the price was what the market ultimately showed it to be.

The market is/was what it is/was. But it's become pretty clear that the higher price for McD was the outlying opinion and not really the widely accepted one.

I also think GMJG did his best to hold out for Serg or any other of those A+ prospects... but (conspiracy theory here), I think JG ended up under the gun in two ways- one obviously is time... but the second - and we saw this tweeted towards the end of the deadline - was that McD was prepared to move/played his last game..(something along those lines)..

I think (just opinion), that McD was upset with things behind the scenes (whether thats coaching, being asked for trade lists, or seeing the team dismantled) and took it too personal. I think that by deadline day, his camp probably told Gorton not to wait for the draft and move him today. He hasn't been around the team in weeks, not available for ceremony night, deleted twitter and endless accounts of him not happy in Taxis - its pretty obvious

Regardless, I think JG did a nice job. We have a former 1st rounder, an early 2nd rounder prospect. Those take longer to develop, and by all accounts are trajecting upwards. Not to mention potentially two 1st rounders to boot. Of course we would have all liked the youth for veteran trades like Nieuwendyk for Iginla, but no one was offering that..

 

[E-Train]

People talk about Zuccarello getting us a 1st at this draft. I would prefer a team trade us a 2019 1st for him, if we can get a 1st. Unless a team is giving up a top 15 pick for 1 year of Zuccarello (which I don't think any team will), deferring it to 2019 would be best. The acquiring team could pull a St. Louis and not be as good as they thought.

Dallas lines up for that. Don't want to move this year's as they're hosting the draft.