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Confirmed with Link: McDonagh + Miller to Tampa Bay for Namestnikov + Howden + Hajek + 2018 1st + conditional 2019 1st

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SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
Just listened JG on WFAN. It sure sounds like they really didn't have any qualms about dealing Miller.
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Great interview, it was VERY obvious how Miller's attitude and off-ice issues finally surfaced with management. They didn't want him here anymore and Yzerman said he had been talking to Gorton for a while about him, so it's obvious why he would ask for him to get the deal done. Win/Win for both.

The best part was how Boomer and Gio asked him two different times about AV, and especially when Gio asked him the second time, it was very obvious that Gorton was trying to dance around the question because it seems they are going to get rid of AV in the offseason.

I will believe it when i see it, but he definitely did not give him a vote of confidence when he kept repeating that they will talk to AV after the season and 'evaluate what we want to do' etc etc.

I will post the interview once WFAN puts it up.
 
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Edge said:
I get the sense that Miller really rubbed them wrong this year.
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I look at it as Hayes and Miller were given the biggest opportunities to prove themselves this year. Hayes took his role and ran with it successfully. JT Miller didn’t really, but to be fair, he was bounced around the lineup a lot. I’m still not happy about losing him, and I don’t think I will be for a while. He’s gonna be a wrecking ball on March 8th when we play Tampa.

Hunter Gathers said:
The real irony is that you're responding to a guy that doesn't watch junior hockey (admittedly so) and only goes off stats.
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Nah man, did you see how these other scrubs did in D+3 years? For a site built around watching prospects, no one f***ing watches them anymore.
 
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Inferno said:
I see Gilmour as a 6/7 and pionk as a 4/5

I see Ada as a 2/3 and shatty as a 2/3

Hypothetically if you won the lottery and got dahlin...next year you could run...

Staal deangelo
Dahlin shattenkirk
Skjei pionk


Of course that completely depends on landing a generational talent the is to ping pong balls...but it's not a God awful defense by any stretch...it's balanced young and has experience on every pair.

Will it win a cup? Eff no. Will it make the playoffs? Unlikely. But will it get steamrolled night in and night out...as long as av is not the coach of be confident in saying no.
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I hope you are right about that but I gotta be honest, I haven't seen a whole lot that I like from ADA's game outside of the infrequent offensive glimpses and above average lateral movement along the blue line. His play in his own zone has been tough to watch. He seems like a poor mans Marc-Andre Bergeron at the moment. Hopefully I am wrong and he turns into something but his game has a lot of problems right now. He does seem skilled at pulling the puck out of our own net after a goal. He has taken over those duties from Shattenkirk.
 
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Edge said:
I think there's a misconception that "smart" players are without good talent. It's not necessarily one or the other.

Ideally, you find a combination of smart and skilled. I think that's what a lot of these guys are.

As far as big swing guys, I think you'll see them trickle in now that the Rangers feel they have somewhat of a foundation/good start in place.
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While I agree, usually players have some sort of flaw. If they fill the team with players who all have similar flaws, I'm not sure that is the best plan.

Also not sure if it's a good idea to only have a team full of happy, they all get along character types as that seems to breed those boring, they are sleep walking through this game stuff.

Having some players who have some capacity to agitate the other team, even if they are not happy locker room personalities is not a bad element to have as long as they also have some decent talent level and are agitating the other teams more so than their own.
 
Just a thought on the Namestnikov vs Miller debate.

On paper everyone is looking at Miller's points from the 2nd and 3rd line and comparing that to the points Namestnikov put up on Tampa's first line. From an offensive standpoint, its difficult to argue that Namestnikov is in the same league as Miller. But from everything I have read, Namestnikov is far better defensively, this report on him shows some of the other things he has over Miller....
Top 25 Under 25, #4: You don’t appreciate Vladislav Namestnikov enough — yes, you specifically

But one thing I feel is being ignored is potential salary. I am kind of expecting Miller to make around 1.5m more than Namestnikov. Would you even want Miller on your team at a 4.5m cap hit? I loved Dubi, but soured on him after his contract. I loved Drury, but hated him with that contract. You look at the best teams in the league, and they have good contract value on their players. Its hard to succeed with a roster with overpaid players. And its entirely possible that the Rangers pushed to move Miller because he wouldn't be worth his future contract, and possibly difficult to move. It obviously was the main factor in why they moved McDonagh. I really think Gorton is trying to build a team that avoids bad contracts, and I believe that Miller has a good chance to fall in that category.
 
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I honestly think it will be a mutual breakup between the Rangers and AV. I get the impression that AV doesnt want to be here for the rebuild and the Rangers want to start fresh. I'd bet good money that AV will not be the coach next season.
 
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I'd be happier with a slightly better return (I'm tired of non-physical shrimps) and if they also got rid of Zucc and DD.
 
jas said:
But I was told Gorton got fleeced.
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It's just one guy's opinion. That someone rights for ESPN doesn't make him an expert in the prospects we acquired. Where this deadline was a homerun is the direction the team took: Gorts went all in for the future. That is A+. The TBL return was not enough. I think Gorts knows it. He waited to the last second, hoping someone blinks, then accepted the best offer on the table, which unfortunately wasn't a great offer.
 
I'm actually somewhat encouraged by Gorton so far as a whole.

2 of the 3 major trades were great. Holden for a third was whatever but it was positive. Didn't love the McD return but if the rumors are true that Miller's baggage was that bad that Yzerman had to "take him" then who knows.

Gorton promised not only futures but NHL talent today with speed and skill. He delivered that. I don't think he sees this as a long term project which is nice. It's not a proverbial retool on the fly because I'm expecting at least one season of being legitimately bad, but I wouldn't just cross us out of the playoffs beyond 18-19 if they play their cards right.

That being said, Gorton ultimately has one decision that will define this rebuild and he either gets it right or he doesn't. There's no grey area. If AV coaches a game for us next year, then the engine is on fire before the rebuild finishes the first lap.
 
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Off Sides said:
While I agree, usually players have some sort of flaw. If they fill the team with players who all have similar flaws, I'm not sure that is the best plan.

Also not sure if it's a good idea to only have a team full of happy, they all get along character types as that seems to breed those boring, they are sleep walking through this game stuff.

Having some players who have some capacity to agitate the other team, even if they are not happy locker room personalities is not a bad element to have as long as they also have some decent talent level and are agitating the other teams more so than their own.
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But I don't know if I'd say that we are moving in a direction where we stock up with players with the same flaw.

Probably the closest I can find to that is Andersson and Howden because we refer to them as "intelligent" players. But they're not the same type of prospects per say. I also think we are very early in this entire process. There are lot of players who have yet to come into our organization.
 
I think the big issue people(myself included) have with this trade is poor expectations.

- We saw what Gorton got in the other trades, and were hoping for a fleecing.
- We got news that Miller was added and immediately assumed we got Point or Sergachev
- If Hajek and Howden were the same exact players they are today, but Tampa didnt have Point/Sergachev/Foote, we likely would be celebrating the fact that we got their 2 top prospects. But because Tampa is so loaded with them, we are upset over not getting the top 2.
- But most importantly, we thought McDonagh's worth was higher than it really is. As many other posters have pointed out, when you look at trades that compare to McDonagh, they were on par.

We could have wanted a blue chip cant miss prospect, but no one was offering it. I was in the group that believed McDonagh's value would have went down at the draft. If this was the best offer that Gorton could have gotten yesterday, then you just have to accept that fact. Keeping McDonagh makes no sense. Someone is going to give him 7x7, and I surely dont want it to be us. So disappointment is clearly linked to poor expectations. Sure I would have loved to get Sergachev or Point, but I am confident that Gorton got the best possible return for McDonagh.
 
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Edge said:
I don't think you're in the minority.

I think the nature of a message board dictates that the people who are happy are less likely to write long, detailed posts.

We also have to account for the way the board is designed now. I think people who are content tend to "like" a post, rather than contribute one.
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Exactly. Just the way I "liked" this post. :)
 
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HockeyBasedNYC said:
If you haven’t already I recommended watching Yzermans presser. It’s 20 min long and he covers the deal at length. Obviously they are very happy to improve their team by adding Mac and JT. But to his admission it was at a very high cost to get that type of quality back.

He mentioned several times that the Prospects they gave up were very very good. It was interesting to hear his take on it to get the other perspective and how he would feel if he were a Rangers fan.
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I don't put much stock in that. He's not exactly going to say that he took Gorton to the cleaners.
 
Beacon said:
What happened to Tkachuk? I thought the consensus was Dahlin first, then Svech/Zad, then Tkachuk at #4, then mostly a bunch of defensemen starting with Bo and Hughes?
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Tkachuk will probably go in the same area as them, but to me and a decent amount of others he doesn’t project to be a driver at the NHL level. And Hughes/Boqvist are better than Dobson/Bouchard/etc tier defensemen
 
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