Confirmed with Link: McDonagh + Miller to Tampa Bay for Namestnikov + Howden + Hajek + 2018 1st + conditional 2019 1st

[Ghost of jas]

My gut tells me Boqvist is the guy we come away with.

I approve. A Hajek/Boqvist top pairing?

 

[Off Sides]

The real win is somewhere in the middle, you want Evgeni Malkin a guy who has world class skill and busts his ass every shift. That needs to be the template.

My concern with character, really any intangible, the Rangers have been know to get carried away weighing those things more so than talent.

I really think that was the explanation for the McIlrath pick, the Glass stuff, and to a point Gaborik, Nash even. Nash was a great goal scorer, and a nice guy, but he had a soft game like Gaborik. They tried over and over again to import tougher character players to counteract some of that, yet it just left them less talented down the depth chart and that toughness/character never filtered up.

If they can find some top6F top4D who have toughness and character I'm all good with that as those are guys who are going to be getting more ice time compared to the Glass/etc type, yet without the softer game (even if they are cocky jerks) top line/pair talents they still end up missing some puzzle pieces.

 

[Edge]

It's not about the pining for immediate wins, it's about the return. We do the same trade, but we keep Miller or we also get Foote as part of the same package, and there's mass celebration on this forum. McD+Miller for Names/Foote/Howden/Hajek/#1/possible #1 would be greeted with a parade on HFNYR.

No less than 60 percent of the people on here have never seen these kids play. With all due respect, how this board reacts is really not one of the key things I look for.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think realistically, our best shot is at Boqvist. Dahlin, Svech, Zadina, Tkachuk, Boqvist. If we finish 5th worst, and get the #6 overall, it makes sense to draft an offensive right handed defenseman with explosive scoring ability.

The only 3 players I would pick over Boqvist are Dahlin, Svechnikov and Zadina.

But, with that said, I could see some teams with the 4th and 5th OA pick go for US-born players like Tkachuk and Hughes. Let's hope Boqvist drops to 6th so we can grab him

 

[GregSirico]

My concern with character, really any intangible, the Rangers have been know to get carried away weighing those things more so than talent.

I really think that was the explanation for the McIlrath pick, the Glass stuff, and to a point Gaborik, Nash even. Nash was a great goal scorer, and a nice guy, but he had a soft game like Gaborik. They tried over and over again to import tougher character players to counteract some of that, yet it just left them less talented down the depth chart and that toughness/character never filtered up.

If they can find some top6F top4D who have toughness and character I'm all good with that as those are guys who are going to be getting more ice time compared to the Glass/etc type, yet without the softer game (even if they are cocky jerks) top line/pair talents they still end up missing some puzzle pieces.

The problem is we have never been bad enough to draft that high. Perhaps this is the year?

 

[LORDE]

I guess at the end of it all we keep acquiring these prospects who are “smart” and while an admirable trait it often comes at the expense of some high end talent.

This isn’t to say that I want a bunch of guys with “tools but no toolbox” as the phrase is thrown around on here a lot...

At some point you need someone with tools otherwise what the hell are u building with?

U can only hammer in so many nails using a toolbox. Usually I just get a f***ing hammer.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

No less than 60 percent of the people on here have never seen these kids play. With all due respect, how this board reacts is really not one of the key things I look for.

My favorite moment was when people were complaining on Twitter about us acquiring Brett Holden. Fans were furious that we acquired a player not even good enough for major juniors. Obviously this was the result of Bob McKenzie misspelling Howden's name in his initial tweet but it shows you how people respond. They Google a name, and if the player doesn't have 130 points in the WHL/OHL/QMJHL he is a bust

 

[eco's bones]

So how come the 20% of the Tampa fans who do follow their prospects aren't upset about losing them?

Because they have a much greater shot at winning a Cup this year and next and they still have Sergachev, Point and Foote and a couple other top end prospects. They're in a much better immediate spot than they were without mortgaging much of their future.

 

[Beacon]

We don't have top end young talent. That's the big issue. They are banking hard on getting a real high-end pick in this draft. Which will happen, but still. One player can't change a franchise(unless it's Dahlin).

Maybe the Oilers would trade their pick (most likely 8th overall the way the lottery works) for Zuccarello? Because we are not adding Raanta and it's a stronger draft, we don't get ADA and take an 8th instead of a 7th overall. Would be pretty sick to draft Boqvist and Dobson (two RDs) in the top-10 of the same draft. Between them, all the LDs we just acquired (and Skjei), our defense would be very hot looking.

Then use our two later first round picks on wingers, which are always less of a priority than defense.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I may be in the minority but I don't see next year as a total disaster. We still have some quality players, young guys getting playing time like ADA, Pionk, Gilmour, and will add Chytil and Andersson next year as well. Who knows we may get lucky and get a top 3 pick too. Nobody thought that NJ, Colorado, and Vegas would have success this year and they have.

 

[GregSirico]

The only 3 players I would pick over Boqvist are Dahlin, Svechnikov and Zadina.

But, with that said, I could see some teams with the 4th and 5th OA pick go for US-born players like Tkachuk and Hughes. Let's hope Boqvist drops to 6th so we can grab him

I want Zadina BAD

 

[Inferno]

Maybe the Oilers would trade their pick (most likely 8th overall the way the lottery works) for Zuccarello? Because we are not adding Raanta and it's a stronger draft, we don't get ADA and take an 8th instead of a 7th overall. Would be pretty sick to draft Boqvist and Dobson (two RDs) in the top-10 of the same draft. Between them, all the LDs we just acquired (and Skjei), our defense would be very hot looking.

Then use our two later first round picks on wingers, which are always less of a priority than defense.

Was just getting ready to post this idea more or less...after the lottery assuming Edmonton doesn't win it...trade zucc and a 3rd for their pick. This is a much better draft so I'll pay more...

Or trade zucc and spooner/namestnikov for their top pick and puljujarvi to take a swing on a guy who may be a stud or may be a bust.

 

[nyr__1994]

Another way of looking at it, we got roughly the same for McDonagh, a non-rental, as we got for a 36 year old rental Brian Leetch: 1, 2 and a pair of good, but unspectacular D+F prospects. Except we also downgraded Miller for Names. Sure you now know that Kondratiev and Immonen busted (and we all know there's no chance of Howden, Hijak or any of our current prospects going bust), but at the time, they were seen as A- prospects. In fact, the first rounder we got was known from the start to likely be higher than Tampa's one. I don't want to hear comments, "at the time we got 1+2 and a pair of minor leaguers" because that's 20-20 vision. The 2 prospects we got in 2004 were viewed at the time about the same as the 2 prospects we got now.

So a 36-year-old Leetch rental brings in what a 28-year-old McDonagh non-rental brings us, except Leetch returned a better first rounder and we downgraded our forwards (Miller/Names). And that 2004 trade was never seen as a big win for the Rangers. FML.

Leetch was in the same contract situation as McDonagh, had two years remaining when he was traded. The lockout took care of the 2nd year of his contract....

 

[JayMan82]

I may be in the minority but I don't see next year as a total disaster. We still have some quality players, young guys getting playing time like ADA, Pionk, Gilmour, and will add Chytil and Andersson next year as well. Who knows we may get lucky and get a top 3 pick too. Nobody thought that NJ, Colorado, and Vegas would have success this year and they have.

Agreed. We have an interesting mix of Vegas level players (Zucc, Zibby, Buch, Kreider, Spooner, Namestnikov, Vesey, Hayes, Fast, etc). It's amazing what good chemistry can provide a team like the Knights. I don't think the top 9 looks that bad on paper.With an influx of defensive talent, this team could be decent.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I guess it’s relative, because I think people underestimated what the return for Nash was going to be, as opposed to what the expectations were for a McDonagh deal. They skewed low on Nash, and high on McDonagh, when in reality, both deals were on historical par with what both types of players get in these situations.

I agree on that it was a bit skewed, but I still do believe we did a little better in the Nash deal(relative). That being said, on a high level gorton just fast tracked our rebuild. This upcoming draft is going to be one of the most important days in the franchises recent history.

 

[Inferno]

I see Gilmour as a 6/7 and pionk as a 4/5

I see Ada as a 2/3 and shatty as a 2/3

Hypothetically if you won the lottery and got dahlin...next year you could run...

Staal deangelo
Dahlin shattenkirk
Skjei pionk


Of course that completely depends on landing a generational talent the is to ping pong balls...but it's not a God awful defense by any stretch...it's balanced young and has experience on every pair.

Will it win a cup? Eff no. Will it make the playoffs? Unlikely. But will it get steamrolled night in and night out...as long as av is not the coach of be confident in saying no.

 

[Inferno]

I hate my phones autocorrect.

 

[Beacon]

Management gave up on Stepan because he was slow, bald, and weak-shotted.

That explains why we dumped Messier all the way to the Pacific coast in 1997.

 

[Edge]

I guess at the end of it all we keep acquiring these prospects who are “smart” and while an admirable trait it often comes at the expense of some high end talent.

This isn’t to say that I want a bunch of guys with “tools but no toolbox” as the phrase is thrown around on here a lot...

At some point you need someone with tools otherwise what the hell are u building with?

U can only hammer in so many nails using a toolbox. Usually I just get a ****ing hammer.

I think there's a misconception that "smart" players are without good talent. It's not necessarily one or the other.

Ideally, you find a combination of smart and skilled. I think that's what a lot of these guys are.

As far as big swing guys, I think you'll see them trickle in now that the Rangers feel they have somewhat of a foundation/good start in place.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Just listened JG on WFAN. It sure sounds like they really didn't have any qualms about dealing Miller.

 

[Edge]

I may be in the minority but I don't see next year as a total disaster. We still have some quality players, young guys getting playing time like ADA, Pionk, Gilmour, and will add Chytil and Andersson next year as well. Who knows we may get lucky and get a top 3 pick too. Nobody thought that NJ, Colorado, and Vegas would have success this year and they have.

I don't think you're in the minority.

I think the nature of a message board dictates that the people who are happy are less likely to write long, detailed posts.

We also have to account for the way the board is designed now. I think people who are content tend to "like" a post, rather than contribute one.

 

[NickyFotiu]

So how come the 20% of the Tampa fans who do follow their prospects aren't upset about losing them?

They just got a top 15 dman and a 24 year old 50-60 point scorer without giving up their top prospects. They should be thrilled. A first round pick 27-31 doesn't bring a top 15 NHL dman. The Nash trade was so much better.

 

[Off Sides]

I may be in the minority but I don't see next year as a total disaster. We still have some quality players, young guys getting playing time like ADA, Pionk, Gilmour, and will add Chytil and Andersson next year as well. Who knows we may get lucky and get a top 3 pick too. Nobody thought that NJ, Colorado, and Vegas would have success this year and they have.

I tend to agree, I don't think they will be all bad, just not very good but team building wise I think they'd be better off allowing that to finish where it does in the standings.

I am a little surprised to see Vegas give up what they did at the deadline, Tough to question whatever they are doing as I never ever expected them to be as good as they have but I see that as a pretty big risk.

 

[Edge]

Just listened JG on WFAN. It sure sounds like they really didn't have any qualms about dealing Miller.

I get the sense that Miller really rubbed them wrong this year.

 

[haveandare]

I may be in the minority but I don't see next year as a total disaster. We still have some quality players, young guys getting playing time like ADA, Pionk, Gilmour, and will add Chytil and Andersson next year as well. Who knows we may get lucky and get a top 3 pick too. Nobody thought that NJ, Colorado, and Vegas would have success this year and they have.

Yeah I don’t think we can compete again so fast but it’s possible to have an entertaining team that is actually fun to watch again as early as next year depending on how the draft goes