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Confirmed with Link: McDonagh + Miller to Tampa Bay for Namestnikov + Howden + Hajek + 2018 1st + conditional 2019 1st

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Black Tank said:
Can you tell me what exactly Miller had done is his last two years to make him a "loss"? He has been COMPLETELY useless in PO hockey and disappears consistently throughout the season. He's young but isn't a gamechanger and wasn't contributing towards winning PO games. No one in this core was and that's why they need to move on.
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I like Miler a lot (on ability) but there's something to be said for being an adult and giving 100% effort regardless of your opinion of the coach.
 
PuckLuck3043 said:
What does Esiason think about this rebuild and the job that Gorton did?
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Bittersweet. Boom is going to miss the guys but knows this is necessary. Has talked about the guys they got back and thinks we need to trust the front office that they did their HW and think these players can play a part of the rebuild in some capacity. Also thinks the draft is critical.
 
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Kovalev27 said:
Our top pick should be boqvist if we move to 4. If we stay around 7 it should be Bouchard

I’ll take wings with my late firsts and seconds.

Wingers are the easiest guys to get
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Yeah, I think that's the gameplan if we don't win the lottery. If we get the 2nd or 3rd pick, will Gorton take Svech or Zadina, or will he still go with Boqvist? Might he trade back and then take Boqvist?

If we get 1st overall, we've got to take Dahlin, but he's another lefty. Maybe we trade Skjei for Trouba? WPG needs a lefty. A top pair of Dahlin and Trouba for the next 8 years would be pretty sweet.
 
Edge said:
Wait so you're upset that he's "only" succeeding against his peers?
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I don't think that's what he meant. Just to be careful with Junior guys. Almost every AHLer was once a Junior first liner. Even most of the decent ECHLers are former Junior first liners: in Greenville, Caleb Herbert led U of Minnie-Duluth in scoring; Allan McPherson led Clarkson U; Shane Walsh led UMASS-Amherst in scoring; Evan Jasper was second on his college team; Branden Troock, Bretton Cameron and Leedahl were WHL first liners (top 3 on the team in scoring); Carter Sandlak was top-3 on his OHL team in scoring; Chapie a first liner in UMASS. That's 9 forwards (3 full lines) who started the season in Greenville who were college/junior first liners, 3 of whom were #1 scorers for their college teams.

Obviously not saying Howden is an ECHLer, but that's the quality of his competition: even most of the top Junior/College players are still ECHLers, and the average Junior/College player will be a gym coach in your local high school.
 
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I am fine with them changing the culture, but again they need to not get too carried away. Falling in love with pre-draft prospects or really any prospect/current nhler because they ooze character yet are short on talent is not really a great idea.
 
GregSirico said:
Bittersweet. Boom is going to miss the guys but knows this is necessary. Has talked about the guys they got back and thinks we need to trust the front office that they did their HW and think these players can play a part of the rebuild in some capacity. Also thinks the draft is critical.
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The draft really is critical to this rebuild when we have 8 picks in the first 3 rounds. I'm confident about Gorton and his staff though.
 
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NYR Viper said:
I would give both Spooner and Namestnikov longer contracts to keep their AAV down. I'd do the same with Hayes and Skjei.


Spooner - 5 years @ $4.25m per season

Hayes - 5 years @ 3.75m per season

Namestnikov - 5 years @ $3.5m per season

Skjei - 8 years @ $4.25m
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Signing Skjei for 8 years scares me. I feel like he regressed significantly this season. There could be multiple factors to this regression and some may be out of his control (Linemates, etc) but I'd like to see more from him before committing to him for 8 years.
 
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The trip I had planned to Brno this Sunday (March 4th) to see some hockey is now even more fun because Libor Hajek is from Brno and played for HC Kometa before moving to North America.
 
PuckLuck3043 said:
The draft really is critical to this rebuild when we have 8 picks in the first 3 rounds. I'm confident about Gorton and his staff though.
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I thought we had 7 picks in the first 3 rounds?

1st - 3
2nd - 2
3rd - 2

I'm not including the 2nd pick from TBL because it is in 2019.
 
jas said:
I would argue that both prospects the Rangers got in the McDonagh deal were better than what they got from Boston.
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I agree...you have to look at what we traded. 33 year old rental vs 28 year old #1d with a year left on a nice deal. That wasn’t really the point of my post but I don’t think it’s a popular opinion that we did as well on the mcd deal as we did on Nash(with respect to who we gave up)
 
TomLaidlaw said:
Signing Skjei for 8 years scares me. I feel like he regressed significantly this season. There could be multiple factors to this regression and some may be out of his control (Linemates, etc) but I'd like to see more from him before committing to him for 8 years.
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I am not sure Skjei goes for that either, it would leave him a UFA at 31. Most players want to be a UFA as soon as they can, usually age 27, but compromise that to 28 or 29. Zbad, Kreider. They can still get another long, large contract at that age and usually end up with more career earnings overall.
 
TomLaidlaw said:
As entertaining as some of these reactions are I think perspective is needed at this moment. We've been one of the best teams in the NHL the past decade. I appreciate all the playoff games I got to watch during this stretch. It hurts that we never won the cup during that stretch but the Rangers have brought me plenty of entertainment during this run. I appreciate it because in 2003-2004 I was watching Dale Purinton and Lawrence Nycholat on our back line. I still have PTSD from those days. Our organization has done a really nice job retooling on the fly to stay competitive for a decade. Eventually the trading of picks to try and push the roster to a cup is going to catch up to you. That time has come. I agree with the decision to rebuild. I am happy that the Rangers are being honest with their intentions and appear to be doing exactly what they said they would.

Rebuilds aren't easy. In many cases you are trading a known commodity for a relatively unknown one. That will result in reactions like we are seeing in this thread. It is impossible to judge this trade right now. So don't let it drive you crazy. We have to have faith in our GM and our scouts until they show that we shouldn't have faith in them. GM Jeff has done far more good than bad since taking over. I am prepared to watch some bad hockey for the foreseeable future in the hopes that we are building towards something.
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It's not about the pining for immediate wins, it's about the return. We do the same trade, but we keep Miller or we also get Foote as part of the same package, and there's mass celebration on this forum. McD+Miller for Names/Foote/Howden/Hajek/#1/possible #1 would be greeted with a parade on HFNYR.
 
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Beacon said:
I don't think that's what he meant. Just to be careful with Junior guys. Almost every AHLer was once a Junior first liner. Even most of the decent ECHLers are former Junior first liners: in Greenville, Caleb Herbert lead U of Minnie-Duluth in scoring; Allan McPherson led Clarkson U; Shane Walsh led UMASS-Amherst in scoring; Evan Jasper was second on his college team; Branden Troock, Bretton Cameron and Leedahl were WHL first liners (top 3 on the team in scoring); Carter Sandlak was top-3 on his OHL team in scoring; Chapie a first liner in UMASS. That's 9 forwards (3 full lines) who started the season in Greenville who were college/junior first liners, 3 of whom were #1 scorers for their college teams.

Obviously not saying Howden is an ECHLer, but that's the quality of his competition: even most of the top Junior/College players are still ECHLers, and the average Junior/College player will be a gym coach in your local high school.
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Of course.

But let's also not lose sight of the fact that Canadian Juniors still produces the highest amount of NHL talent. Granted a lot of leagues have closed the gap and offer their own unique brand of competition, but putting up 45 goals and 115 points in the WHL is also not a common occurance.

Does that make him an elite, first line center? No.

But I think he's progressed beyond the point of being seen as a very good third line center. I think there's more potential there.

I'd be more concerned if this was a kid who hovered around a certain level and then suddenly shot up in his last junior season, but that isn't the case. The progression has been significant, but consistent. I'm also encouraged by how he's done in different situations.

I think he has a legit shot to be a key piece of what we're trying to put together.
 
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h0ckeyman said:
I agree...you have to look at what we traded. 33 year old rental vs 28 year old #1d with a year left on a nice deal. That wasn’t really the point of my post but I don’t think it’s a popular opinion that we did as well on the mcd deal as we did on Nash(with respect to who we gave up)
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I guess it’s relative, because I think people underestimated what the return for Nash was going to be, as opposed to what the expectations were for a McDonagh deal. They skewed low on Nash, and high on McDonagh, when in reality, both deals were on historical par with what both types of players get in these situations.
 
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Holocene said:
Montreal is 5 points below us with 2 games in hand . Top 5 pick isn't unrealistic at all.
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By the weird lottery math, the 5th worst team is most likely picking #6 or #7 (about the same odds, 30% for each pick). Only a 7% chance to pick at #5, though a 25% chance of picking in the top-3 (and 5% of falling all the way to #8). So until the draft, if we do fall to 5th worst, you should expect a 6 or a 7 overall pick.
 
I really think the Miller inclusion was multi part, they did not want to sign his next deal, something behind the scenes was going on, and they now are building a Russian contingent to try to get their KHL prospects over.

The value in the Rangers getting those KHL prospects over is more than the difference between Miller and Name.
 
I was not in favor of giving Miller or McDonagh the kind of money they probably are going to ask for. The culture of the team stinks right now. AV has to go. He's not the answer going forward with a young team. Miller was a major problem. He's lazy and dumb on the ice. He's atrocious in the playoffs. Rangers set the tone with the Andersson pick that they were going to change the culture of the team. All the prospects had the same things in their scouting reports. Leaders. High hockey IQ. Great work ethic, not taking shifts off. Consistently win puck battles. Very hard to knock off the puck. Don't panic with the puck, don't turn it over and make smart decisions.

Those qualities are exactly the things our players have been missing the past 2 years.
 
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