McDavid heating up, what are odds on 150 points this season?

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You act like this is the first occurrence of something similar happing in hockey. Bourque didn't win for forever. A truly generational goalie in Hasek didn't win until later in his career. It took the Pens 7 years to win with Mario, and they airdropped Larry Murphy and Ron Francis onto the team. That's not possible with the cap anymore. Took forever for the Caps and Ovie to get over the hump.

Yeah it would make for a nice bedtime story if the Oilers and McDavid won the cup 3 years ago, but things don't always fall together perfectly. McDavid was always going to a poorly managed team because he was the first overall pick so its not like results would be guaranteed to be dramatically different elsewhere.

It took 11 years for Ovie to get a cup as well.

The best goal scorer of all time.
 
[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Most points after 72 games[/TD]
[TD]Season[/TD]
[TD]POS[/TD]
[TD]Team[/TD]
[TD]GP[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]A[/TD]
[TD]P[/TD]
[TD]PPG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Steve Yzerman[/TD]
[TD]88-89[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]DET[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]63[/TD]
[TD]83[/TD]
[TD]146[/TD]
[TD]2,03[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Phil Esposito[/TD]
[TD]70-71[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]BOS[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]67[/TD]
[TD]74[/TD]
[TD]141[/TD]
[TD]1,96[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Connor McDavid[/TD]
[TD]22-23[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]EDM[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]60[/TD]
[TD]78[/TD]
[TD]138[/TD]
[TD]1,92[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jaromir Jagr[/TD]
[TD]95-96[/TD]
[TD]W[/TD]
[TD]PIT[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]59[/TD]
[TD]79[/TD]
[TD]138[/TD]
[TD]1,92[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Phil Esposito[/TD]
[TD]73-74[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]BOS[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]66[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]138[/TD]
[TD]1,92[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mike Bossy[/TD]
[TD]81-82[/TD]
[TD]W[/TD]
[TD]NYI[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]57[/TD]
[TD]79[/TD]
[TD]136[/TD]
[TD]1,89[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bernie Nicholls[/TD]
[TD]88-89[/TD]
[TD]W[/TD]
[TD]LAK[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]63[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]135[/TD]
[TD]1,88[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pat LaFontaine[/TD]
[TD]92-93[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]BUF[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]86[/TD]
[TD]134[/TD]
[TD]1,86[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

All of them cooled down alot over the final stretch except Nicholls and Esposito. Here is a list of the highest PPG after game 72 amongst these seasons.
[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Highest PPG after game 72[/TD]
[TD]Season[/TD]
[TD]POS[/TD]
[TD]Team[/TD]
[TD]GP[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]A[/TD]
[TD]P[/TD]
[TD]PPG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bernie Nicholls[/TD]
[TD]88-89[/TD]
[TD]W[/TD]
[TD]LAK[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]2,14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Phil Esposito[/TD]
[TD]70-71[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]BOS[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]1,83[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mike Bossy[/TD]
[TD]81-82[/TD]
[TD]W[/TD]
[TD]NYI[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]1,38[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pat LaFontaine[/TD]
[TD]92-93[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]BUF[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]1,17[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Phil Esposito[/TD]
[TD]73-74[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]BOS[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]1,17[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Steve Yzerman[/TD]
[TD]88-89[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]DET[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]1,13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jaromir Jagr[/TD]
[TD]95-96[/TD]
[TD]W[/TD]
[TD]PIT[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]1,10[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
McDavid last 3 seasons last 10 Games played were 19/20 17 pts 20/21 24 pts* scored a similar PPG as this season
21/22 17 pts all those seasons HIs PPG was Much higher than the regular season.I would say he has between 22-26pts the last 10 games this season
 
...I'm super curious about who would win this stat now....somebody want to pull the data?
Let’s do it lol

NHL has only been counting blocks since the 2005-06 season so that narrows it considerably.

Tuesday Full Moons during season
2005 only had one Tuesday full moon but it was during the lockout :(
2006 - Dec 5
2007 - none
2008 - Jan 22, May 20 (looks like we have to do playoffs now), Oct 14
2009 - None
2010 - March 30, Dec 21
2011 - May 17 (Playoffs)
2012 - Feb 7
2013 - Dec 17
2014 - April 15 (Playoffs?)
2015 - Oct 27
2016 - None
2017 - April 11 (Playoffs?)
2018 - Jan 2, May 29 (Playoffs)
2019 - Feb 19, Nov 12
2020 - none
2021 - April 27
2022 - Jan 18, Nov 8
2023 - Mar 7

Let’s start with McDavid vs Matthews -
This season - Nov 8 Leafs played Vegas and Matthew’s had 1 block. Oilers played on the road Mar 7 - Leafs played on the road, Oilers did not play

We can definitively say that Matthews has had more blocks in Tuesday’s during full moons at home in 2022/23

Career

22/23 - Matthews 1 - McDavid - 0
21/22 - Neither played
20/21 - Neither played
19/20 - Neither played at home
18/19 - McDavid hurt, Matthews road
17/18 Playoffs - Neither played
17/18 - Matthews - 1 - McDavid - 0 (both teams were shutout lol)
16/17 Playoffs - Neither played
15/16 - McDavid road

Grand Total -
Matthews 2 (Generational 1 BSOTWFMAH (blocked shot on Tuesday with full moon at home) per 60)
McDavid 0

CONCLUSION: MATTHEWS IS DEFINITIVELY BETTER AT BLOCKING SHOTS ON TUESDAYS WITH FULL MOONS THAN MCDAVID.

Someone please alert TSN and Sportsnet
 


Been waiting for this compilation.

Couple things I found interesting:

- five hole goals started right from the beginning, but have really ramped up as the season has gone on

- he scored identical backhand cheese goals twice
 


Been waiting for this compilation.

Couple things I found interesting:

- five hole goals started right from the beginning, but have really ramped up as the season has gone on

- he scored identical backhand cheese goals twice

that is nuts to watch all those highlights back to back. I don't want to say GOAT but this is hockey mt. rushmore kinda of stuff
 
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With 10 games left, I want to see him hit 70. It’s been 30 years since anyone has hit the 70 goal mark and it would be awesome to see
I would have been happy if he hit 50 but then he decided to blow past that and hit 60. He's been on an insane goal scoring run the last 15 games and you just think he's going to cool down and he hasn't yet. Hopefully he doesn't and can continue this insane run. I don't expect 70 but if that is something he's really thinking about then it's not out of the question. He will tell you otherwise but deep down he has his goals in place. lol
 
Edmonton supporters have every right to bristle at the notion that McDavid should leave their team but it doesn't change the fact that the Oilers organization has not served hockey well. McDavid should be the Leo Messi of hockey but instead his reputation is under-inflated because of the team he's stuck on. On one hand it serves him right for signing that contract with the Oilers, but on the other than it's just a shame overall.
L take, pure Hater babble. What does "not served hockey well" even mean?

Facts:
- org. has won a cup within it's first 5 years of existence & 5 cups in it's first 43 seasons, see: most-cup-wins
- org. has done heaps for bringing a European style and European players into the NHL as well as popularizing NHL in Europe (arguably 2nd only to DET)
- org. has as many SCF appearances (1) as any Canadian Team (OTT, VAN, MTL) in the Salary Cap Era & as many Cups (0)
- org. has been outstanding for the sport of hockey in the region (MUCH of Northern and W. Canada) incl. promoting indigenous hockey in particular and diversity in general (incl. Indigenous, Black & Asian roster players & stars). Arguably the largest region in NHL
- this org's 1984-85 team considered greatest NHL team all time, and having 4 in the top 10
- Oilers are huge in Germany right now, they've played here in 1990 & 2018
- Team reached WCF last season
 
At this stage isn't it a bit disappointing he only recorded one point against Arizona? The expectations are so high right now that one would think he'd pick up like 3-4 points against the likes of Arizona, San Jose, Anaheim etc.
 
This is what an actual generational player looks like. It's been so long since there's been a guy this dominant that people's lists of generational talents have gotten more and more watered down over the years.

The reality is that there are four guys who are indisputably generational, and everybody else is up for debate. McDavid probably belongs with those four guys.

Howe
Orr
Gretzky
Lemieux
McDavid
 
Let’s do it lol

NHL has only been counting blocks since the 2005-06 season so that narrows it considerably.

Tuesday Full Moons during season
2005 only had one Tuesday full moon but it was during the lockout :(
2006 - Dec 5
2007 - none
2008 - Jan 22, May 20 (looks like we have to do playoffs now), Oct 14
2009 - None
2010 - March 30, Dec 21
2011 - May 17 (Playoffs)
2012 - Feb 7
2013 - Dec 17
2014 - April 15 (Playoffs?)
2015 - Oct 27
2016 - None
2017 - April 11 (Playoffs?)
2018 - Jan 2, May 29 (Playoffs)
2019 - Feb 19, Nov 12
2020 - none
2021 - April 27
2022 - Jan 18, Nov 8
2023 - Mar 7

Let’s start with McDavid vs Matthews -
This season - Nov 8 Leafs played Vegas and Matthew’s had 1 block. Oilers played on the road Mar 7 - Leafs played on the road, Oilers did not play

We can definitively say that Matthews has had more blocks in Tuesday’s during full moons at home in 2022/23

Career

22/23 - Matthews 1 - McDavid - 0
21/22 - Neither played
20/21 - Neither played
19/20 - Neither played at home
18/19 - McDavid hurt, Matthews road
17/18 Playoffs - Neither played
17/18 - Matthews - 1 - McDavid - 0 (both teams were shutout lol)
16/17 Playoffs - Neither played
15/16 - McDavid road

Grand Total -
Matthews 2 (Generational 1 BSOTWFMAH (blocked shot on Tuesday with full moon at home) per 60)
McDavid 0

CONCLUSION: MATTHEWS IS DEFINITIVELY BETTER AT BLOCKING SHOTS ON TUESDAYS WITH FULL MOONS THAN MCDAVID.

Someone please alert TSN and Sportsnet
Now do it per 60 min and prorate their totals. :naughty:
 
8 games left. In his last 8 games McD has 6 goals and 10 assists. Repeating those exact stats would have him finish with 66 goals and 90 assists for a total of 156 points. Those would be very satisfying numbers, beating both Ovi and Yzerman by just a hair.

I'm not too optimistic, though: the remaining schedule isn't as easy as meeting both the Ducks and the Sharks twice might indicate: 5 of 8 games are on the road and the 8 games include LAK twice, Vegas and Avs once. Those look like pretty tough games, especially when you factor in that the three games against Vegas and Kings are within the next four games and teams are still battling for standings (none of the teams in the west have clinched a spot yet).
 
Phil Esposito’s 145 points at 31 years old is the oldest top 50 points season ever, and only a couple of other players managed it at 30 years old (Adam Oates, Gretzky and Lemieux was the best at #12 all time at 30 years old).

McDavid is already 25 years old, half of the best seasons all time came at his age or younger. Like 20 of the top 50 seasons are Lemieux +Gretzky. So, just saying, McDavid is probably already more than halfway through his elite prime. Most of the seasons better than McDavid have been on teams that for at least some portion of their window would have been considered dynastic, or dynasty-adjacent.
 
You all have gone awfully quiet the last month or so? I wonder why?

I have? You should go check out the thread I started on the history forum around 3 weeks ago, wondering if McDavid has what it takes to break up the "big 4".

I think it was fair game to question how realistic or not hitting 150+ points would be. It was a possibility, but far from a certainty, and I stand by that. Doesn't mean I'm not giving McDavid full credit and then some now that he's seeing this season to the end.

The combination of his 2021 season, his 2022 playoffs, and now his current regular season is absolutely outstanding.
 
At the beginning of the season I would have have thought 150 points wasn't realistic but I did think 140 was very realistic for him. I saw how much playing with Jesse Puljujarvi ruined McDavid's season last year and lost him a lot of points so I knew if he got to play with real NHL players all season long 140 was very possible and realistic for him especially since he completely blew up at the end of the season and playoffs once Puljujarvi was off his line.
 
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