I know my hockey. I can fully admit Drai, Nurse, and Kane have done questionable things. But this isn't about whether the Oilers make dirty plays or not, we take and we give.
A 4cm movement in the elbow? With skating momentum and today's elbow pads, sure damage can be done. But I'm not questioning whether it hurt Johanssen or not. I'm questioning McDavid's motive and intention. He's not throwing elbows with 4cm movements to target and take players out.
Must have missed most games in the 90's bud. Basically, not even the same game now.
Yeh more dirt happened in the 90s. But relative to the league standard, no ONE player took more dirt than than any other on the level that McDavid takes it today relative to his peers and today's standard.
This thread isn’t about “the abuse McDavid takes”. You’ve tap danced around my point.
Wasn't an elbow sir. That was an illegal check to the head. With the shoulder to the side of Leddy's head. A mistimed body check with Leddy leaned and hunched over immediately after taking a shot on net.
Like you said, different time, not sure some of these guys skating today would have made it... Sydney Crosby would of been out of the league if he played through the 90's. Same with some others like Patrick Kane, etc.
I rejected the premise of your point. Cause I'm not in this thread complaining about fans complaining about their Player being hurt. And my reply to you is the same, we often just let it go and look the other way, cause it happens so damn often we've become desensitized to it. Then I provided examples of us NOT complaining or making threads about it, when we could every single game and sometimes twice a game.
Nah man haven’t you read the thread? McDavid never does anything wrong.
Lol. It’s a simple question, brother. If this elbow was against McDavid, would you feel the same way?
Lindros career ended cause of some huge singular head shots. Not like he was taking head shots every single game. He took monster ones a couple times in his career here and there. Also Lindro gave as good as he got, but he didn't target heads he just charged at guys and crushed them into the boards. That was the game back then. But relative to his peers and relative to the game's current day standard, t's not the same as the consistent and constant ignored abuse and infraction McDavid gets.
Isn't it obvious? I would not like it. But what does it matter? I never complained about Wild fans not liking it either. So you are trying this gotcha question that doesn't apply. But your question is if the Oilers fanbase would complain about it incessantly, and like I said, we let alot of shit go and provided the examples for exactly that.
Nope. My question from the very beginning was how you guys would feel about this play. That’s it.
And it would be a good one, if I had said no one should be complaining about their player being elbowed. But I never said that.
Yes, but I never asked that.
I said his intention was not to elbow the guy in the face and hurt him. And no I didn't admit it was dirty play, but i did admit an elbow hit Johannseem. You turned this conversation into one about dirty plays in GENERAL, with the question "IF hypothetically McDavid got hurt in a dirty play would'nt you be mad"? The answer is Yes. But again, now follow along here, I never said in the first place that people shouldn't complain, so your question makes no sense.
I did. And Legion of Doom line was my favorite for a long stretch. He didn't take head shots on a daily basis. He took a number of HUGE head shots scattered throughout his career, each one taking a piece of his brain away until he couldn't play.
I never asked if you would be mad if McDavid got hurt in a dirty play if you would be mad. I asked if you would be mad if this exact play happened to McDavid if you would be mad.
He wasn't ever healthy ever, thats what you don't understand, it wasn't just head-shots... but you didn't watch him like I said so you wouldn't know he missed 20 games annually his whole career because teams beat the hell out of him. Legit only a handful of years with 70+ games and thats even before the head-shots near the end.
And I would answer again, Yes. But my homeristic rage or that of Wild fans, have no bearing on whether McDavid intended to throw and elbow to hurt a guy. We talking fan responses now, which aren't always based in rationality. Anyways, have a good one.
And compared to the standard at that time you would say he took more abuse than anyone else in the League by a country mile? Or maybe it was the fact that Lindros himself hit to hurt himself and players took it upon themselves to find retribution. Or maybe it was because of Lindros play style that often exposed him to getting rocked on open ice.
