GDT: May 14 • Quarterfinal • Finland vs. Czech Republic

[klikkar]

Seriously guys, get some sleep.

Most of you will realize how ridiculous you sound.

There were some missed calls, be it Erat knocking out someones stick (I'll need to rewatch that), or two Finns dragging down Kovar (or was it Simon?) on breakaway.

But every single penalty called against Finland was called by the rules, it may have been very strict (the playing with broken stick), but by the rules. The referees just didn't pull something magically out of their hats. Some of those calls made a bigger impact on the game then the others, but thats hockey.

Have a good night, everyone.

 

[smi]

Really the only call that can't be justified by the rulebook was the non-call when Kemppainen got his stick slashed from his hands.

You guys gotta give the Czechs some credit. They outplayed us and they deserved to win.

 

[Brun0]

yeah, maybe we should make this as a Nokia or solidium or Nordea or Kone cup instead of scoda? just an idea

 

[Gsus]

You guys gotta give the Czechs some credit. They outplayed us and they deserved to win.

Yep, not all but much of the credit for them. Gratz.

 

[SotasicA]

I thought Finns would be better losers. The amount of whining here is awful.

I'm a Finn. I thought the Czechs were the better team tonight. Outclassed the Finns in the first period especially. Score could have been 5-1 instead of 5-3, if not for Pavelec keeping it interesting.

I had no problem with the refereeing either. The penalty that lead to the 2-2 goal was a legitimate tripping called correctly. Finnish PBP guy was absolutely terrible, and kept insisting every call against Finland was ********. Almost ruined the whole game. And it's a shame because I believe most viewers (especially casual hockey fans) believe him.

That no-goal / interference call was borderline, but I don't have a problem with it. Plays like that are always going to be tough for refs. There's a bit of grey area, but a call has to be made. You either "take away a goal" or "give a goal" to one team. Bottom line, it was interference, called absolutely correctly, but it could have gone either way. Butt-ache from either side was inevitable.

You could see make-up calls in the third period - Czech player gets a clear cut breakaway, gets blatantly hooked, no call. Finland gets puck, scores at the other end and the game is tied.

Some of you are embarrassing yourselves blaming the refs. It's a game of hockey, you get some calls, and not the others. It was an okay game refereeing-wise, and in the end the better team won.

Finland worked hard, but lacked high-end skill. D-men were also either small or too weak to stop even an old geezer like Jagr. No offense to Jagr, he's still a big guy and excellent at protecting the puck. But you've got to take the body, not just try and fish the puck with your stick from a distance.

Rinne was better than Pavelec (no surprise there), but it wasn't enough. Quality of game was not that great. It was slow, and lacked intensity. No physical play, everyone took their time with the puck. Finland was very tentative. Czechs play a system that's a little dull to watch. So I was a little surprised by one poster here saying this was the best hockey game of the season. Especially after it came just a day after Caps-Rangers game 7, where everything was done at a higher level and pace. And guys actually battled for pucks and hit each other every now and then. This was a little too friendly to my liking.

It was the second game I've seen this tournament. I also watched Finland-USA and it wasn't really much better, though USA played a kind of a fun style game. Big ice slows the game a little, but it certainly doesn't mean you can't have great games. I'm not a hater. Smaller ice is just better. We've seen some classic international hockey on large ice, too.

Anyways, congrats Czechs! You better hope for a miracle against Canada.

 

[psycho_dad*]

Well, couple of posts ago, you asked about some rules. This is what IIHF officiating standard says:

Is there something more you want to say about that "goal"?

Yes there is. Kontiola WAS the puck carrier until Hietanen or who ever scored the goal. Kontiola as a puck carrier, can be hit by the opponent, which happened. There is NO RULE ANYWHERE saying that the player hitting the puck carrier has to win the physical battle, or it's a penalty to the puck carrier.

Kontiola had the puck, he lost it because of the impending hit from a Czech defenseman. When you are the last person to touch the puck, you ARE the player with the puck. This rule applies anywhere on the ice, not just infront of the net. That's why you can hit a guy even if they have passed the puck away. They are a puckless player once another player has taken possession of the puck

What happened here is, Kontiola attempted to drive the net with the puck. A defenseman did his job and stood in his way. He basically hit Kontiola, and Kontiola had more momentum so the other guy fell down, that's physics.

No rules were broken by anyone in that, both of the guys of course had their arms up, but that's what happens when you run into eachother face to face, you soften the hit with your arms. Both guys did it.

It was a goal clear as day. Instead, it ended up being +2 for Czechs. Horrible day for hockey.

Czech were good enough in that game to fight for the win without any external help. Unfortunately they never had to fight for the win, they were gifted one with one of the most attrocious goal disallowings and penalties you can ever see. Hockey is a contact sport.

If Kontiola was NOT the puck carrier, I would understand the penalty. But Kontiola drove the net with the puck and the Czech defenseman deliberately got in his way (as he is supposed to) and fell down due to that exchange.

That should never, ever under any circumstances be a penalty or grounds for disallowing a perfectly fine goal. If Kontiola would have pushed the guy on the goalie, then yes I would have agreed it's a goalie interference. But in this case, the defenseman was there to interfere with Kontiola trying to score, HE initiated the contact, not Kontiola. I can guarantee you, Kontiola would have rather walked in unchallenged with the puck. Czech defenseman initiated the contact, and lost due to physics.

 

[klikkar]

What happened here is, Kontiola attempted to drive the net with the puck. A defenseman did his job and stood in his way. He basically hit Kontiola, and Kontiola had more momentum so the other guy fell down, that's physics.

That "Momentum" happens to be his stick in defenseman's face

http://gfycat.com/FarAnchoredAlpaca

 

[meph]

that passage looks like something from american football rather than hockey

i am genuinely interested now that i see the rules in writing

if I have the puck, can I hit other players who by definition do not have the puck (as i am the one in posession)? The rules only say opponents, it doesn't say anything about puck carrier

 

[rduck1]

That "Momentum" happens to be his stick in defenseman's face

http://gfycat.com/FarAnchoredAlpaca

And what causes him to fall down happens to be the stick of number 29 in red right behind him, which I don't think Kontiola is responsible for. It's a questionable call, but it was made. Nothing to do about it now.

 

[Dris]

and to all the "better team won" people...yeah not so much this time. We did not get to find out who the better team was. It COULD have been the Czechs, but they did not need to prove it today.

There is a massive difference between trailing 2-3 or leading 3-2 and today, that difference was one awful refereeing mistake. That did not allow us to see who was really the better team today.

I agree that there in a best of 7 series the best team always wins. In a one game qualifier, it's not as simple anymore. Especially if the other team gets a +2 goal advantage. It simply doesn't tell you which one was better anymore at that point.

We lost clearly to a better team in the opening game, USA beat Finland fair and square. Todays ****show was NOT that.

They were marginally better and "luckier " with refs... and not the best night from Rinne... time to move on

 

[Mestaruus]

Reffs made serious mistakes on both sides, yet while we score on one of those mistakes, you did not - so you gonna say "reffs". K, say it more - only shows how ignorant you are.

Your reply wasn't for me but do you realize that there's a quite big difference in 4on3 PP vs a 5on4 PP.

Canada is good enough to overpower the corrupted refereeing and beat those guys even with a guy in the penalty box.

I certainly hope so. Canada is just way too good this year to be stopped. On another level.

I would've been super pissed if Czech won that game 3-2, but when we tied it to 3-3 the obvious help Czech got from the refs got reset and we just screwed up the last 5 minutes and lost the 'new game' 0-1 and Jagr was the man. So that's why I'm not going to cry about it more than I just did in this post.

 

[psycho_dad*]

That "Momentum" happens to be his stick in defenseman's face

http://gfycat.com/FarAnchoredAlpaca

I'm suggesting you are blind. I can see both his and the defensemans stick pointing down the whole time.

And by the way, he didn't get a penalty for high sticking or cross checking (of course not, you can easily see that there was no such thing from the video you just posted).

 

[SotasicA]

That's interference. Opens up a scoring chance for his team mate by pushing the d-man away. It looked borderline in real time, but that replay shows it clearly.

When it comes to calling plays the way they happen, Mertaranta is the worst. Even worse than Jack Edwards.

 

[Wilderness]

That's interference. Opens up a scoring chance for his team mate by pushing the d-man away. It looked borderline in real time, but that replay shows it clearly.

When it comes to calling plays the way they happen, Mertaranta is the worst. Even worse than Jack Edwards.

Of course you can see that defenseman holds Kontiola's stick? And he tries to get it?

Yeah right team won. It just sad that refs made it so easy to Czech. Few very questionable calls, like Aaltonen penalty, Czech powerplay goal where Kemppainen's stick hitted away, and Kontiola's situation.

 

[psycho_dad*]

That's interference. Opens up a scoring chance for his team mate by pushing the d-man away. It looked borderline in real time, but that replay shows it clearly.

When it comes to calling plays the way they happen, Mertaranta is the worst. Even worse than Jack Edwards.

Kontiola is the puck carrier, he is not a puckless player interfering with a puckless player. He is receiving a hit from a defenseman, as a puck carrier. Learn the damn rules. Puck carrier against the guy who comes to hit him is NOT interference, ever, in any situation.

And no I wasn't listening to Mertaranta, I was watching in Canada on TSN1 because I live here in Canada.

What that replay shows is a HORRIBLE refereeing mistake that gave Czech a free pass to the semifinals.

 

[turkulad]

The Czechs were clearly the better team. Jagr was miles ahead of everyone else on the ice. Kovar was lethal, when Giroux and Krejci didn't seem to get anything going.

Still, all the questionable calls here were just that.. questionable. Sure, wave off the goal, but giving a penalty on the situation? Absurd. The Kemppainen no-goal, absurd, same with the faceoff situation.. those were clear mistakes, and the overall refereeing was really low-class all considering. Even in the end, when they DID take a stand a stand to make it right with some no-calls the other way, it's just inexcusable. The mistakes I recounted resulted in goals.

Then again, I try not to take the win off the other team, since they clearly were better than us. While we had a LOT of forwards having great games (Barkov, Jokinen, Donskoi, Kemppainen, the usual suspects), our whole D had a really inconsistent, wrecking-ball-level game with the constant giveaways, bad passes, stupid fancypants plays that resulted in dangerous Czech situations. Pesonen's giveaway was the perfect example of it.

So I'm trying NOT to be a sore loser, I think a lot of us fans do that.. the internet just polarizes everything. Then again, you can not forgive those refs. You can say, fair play to the Czechs, Jagr was awesome, they deserve the win. But the Finnish fans do NOT deserve these referees. If we have to lose, we wanna do it in a manner which shows that there were no third parties on the ice. This time, there clearly was.

 

[junglefinn]

I'm okay with those Finland's penalties, but I'm not okay with that when Kemppainen got his stick slashed from his hands. 5 seconds after that the game was tied to 2-2.
Those are really big game changing moments and that happened.

But in the big picture Czechs were a better team yesterday. No doubt about that.

 

[penalty reviver]

That's interference. Opens up a scoring chance for his team mate by pushing the d-man away. It looked borderline in real time, but that replay shows it clearly.

The D-man is holding Kontiola's stick, which leaves Kontiola no other options than to shove him and get his stick back.

This is a very ordinary happenstance in a hockey game. A player is pinned down with a semi-illegal play (this play by the D-man was illegal) and to get free, the D-man has to be shoved with arms, because the stick is tied.

Kontiola got interfered with an illegal play, and the call that was made isn't a correct one under any circumstances.

Also, I'm not bitter with Finland's loss, I would say the same if this was a game between Denmark vs. Poland. A ridiculously bad call, one that I haven't seen even in Mestis. Finland wasn't really good at the beginning, but it's just so stupid to even watch these games, when you lose due to refereeing, at least up to a point. Just like last year vs. Russia.

 

[El_Loco_Avs]

I'm suggesting you are blind. I can see both his and the defensemans stick pointing down the whole time.

And by the way, he didn't get a penalty for high sticking or cross checking (of course not, you can easily see that there was no such thing from the video you just posted).

Actually when he makes the pushing motion his left hand is left of the defenseman's face. So likely he's making contact with the stick.

That doesn't matter because the defenseman is actually HOLDING his stick. Which should be the first penalty called here.

 

[Salavat Yulaev]

If the refereeing is this bad, what else can you do? I actually would be happy if they would use only professional NHL-referees in theese tournaments. Using theese suckers from each country is juyst stupid. Half of them are like blind puppies who roott for their own countries. How on earth is it possible that 2 Russians can decide the outcome of a game, where the winner goes to face Russia???

I`m 100% sure Russia rather face the Czech primadonnas than Finland. Putin got what he wanted...

Facepalm. Russia will play with USA

 

[kudymen]

I'm suggesting you are blind. I can see both his and the defensemans stick pointing down the whole time.

And by the way, he didn't get a penalty for high sticking or cross checking (of course not, you can easily see that there was no such thing from the video you just posted).

I am suggesting the stick does not only have blade, but it also has an butt end on the other side than you are looking at.

 

[Finnpin]

But I admit I'm embarrassed by some of the posts in GDTs by some Finnish users. This is just Skoda Cup. We all should take it easier!

 

[Salavat Yulaev]

I don't take Skoda Cup seriously anymore. Used to when I was younger. I have watched now 1 season of KHL plus some stuff in Skoda Cup. I have eyes and clearly can see when some players are faking it.

Good luck to Czechs against Canada!

Well, as to KHL, in this season new rules were issued, which almost converted hockey into basketball. This disappointed all KHL fans. But these rules were lobbied by the Ice Hockey Federation of Russia, i.e. IIHF office in Russia.

 

[Finnpin]

You look you do. If you dont, get yourself calm and stop wasting time posting insulting comments.....

Insulting comments? I was just pointing out I don't like where the sport is going. Faking injuries is disgraceful. We don't need it in hockey. Peace and out!

 

[Salavat Yulaev]

Insulting comments?

you post everywhere about diving and faking Czech and Russian players
it starts irritating