Player Discussion Max Domi Part II

[admiralcadillac]

Did it come out? Citation needed.

Speaks a lot that the cowards in MTL media didn't report on something clearly in the public/fans' interest in order to further ingratiate themselves with the Habs organization. They literally work to conspire against the fans and expect us to pay them for their glorified PR job (eg The Athletic, which I've cancelled).

Yeah I was attacked for saying it here but it's been backed by several people now...

 

[Legend123]

Ok, so let's say Domi keeps up his style of play and effort, and pots 20 plus goals and 55 - 60 points. Are we happy calling him a real 2C on a good team ?

he isnt a real C tho. The only reason he is playing as one cuz we are the Habs with no C depth (currently). I fully expect to go fishing in the UFA market (Duchene?) and/or fill our C depth with our deep prospect pool. I mean as soon as Kotka, Poehling, Suzuki are ready, do you really think he stays as a C?
1C - Kotka
2C - Poehling/UFA signing/Suzuki
3C - Poehling/Danault
I expect him to transition to the Wing where his game is better suited

 

[tazsub3]

This kid is special. Drouin is special. Kotkaniemi is special. We have something going here.

It is simple, Domi's hear, Drouin's Hair and Kotkaniemi's Smile, and we shall be unbeatable

 

[Milhouse40]

he isnt a real C tho. The only reason he is playing as one cuz we are the Habs with no C depth (currently). I fully expect to go fishing in the UFA market (Duchene?) and/or fill our C depth with our deep prospect pool. I mean as soon as Kotka, Poehling, Suzuki are ready, do you really think he stays as a C?
1C - Kotka
2C - Poehling/UFA signing/Suzuki
3C - Poehling/Danault
I expect him to transition to the Wing where his game is better suited

Domi put up 45 points last year and 38pts before that.
It's still early, two weeks and we can have a very different opinion but 11pts in 10 games....hard to see him "better" on the wing considering past experience.

As for Suzuki, he'll start on the wing for sure. I don't think Poehling will be a top 6 C before a good 2 to 3 years.
So i could see the Habs going forward with Domi and Kotkaniemi, at least for the next 2 years.

 

[Runner77]

I was totally wrong about this trade.

Could well be that you arrive at the same conclusion at the end of the season. As may several or most of us, as well.

But now? Much, much too early to make that kind of statement, IMHO.

 

[Legend123]

Domi put up 45 points last year and 38pts before that.
It's still early, two weeks and we can have a very different opinion but 11pts in 10 games....hard to see him "better" on the wing considering past experience.

As for Suzuki, he'll start on the wing for sure. I don't think Poehling will be a top 6 C before a good 2 to 3 years.
So i could see the Habs going forward with Domi and Kotkaniemi, at least for the next 2 years.

at the same time i can see them going hard for Duchene. No guarantees but im pretty we would have 2 top 6 Cs. And Domi isnt a #3C. He would need to play on the top 6. IDK maybe another year max but thats about it, esp if we draft another C this year (top 10?)

 

[G0bias]

You are still not winning the cup with a weak support group. Pens have 2 generational centers, that will probably not happen for a very very very long time, especially with the new lottery system. Goaltending and defense are also questionable for teams like the Leafs and Jets. It's why they still havent won anything. If you dont wih the cup, it will be due to other reasons than Domi being the 2nd line center.

I still don't see how the Hawks are a good counterexample - they had an Art Ross and the best two-way winger of this generation, to go along with a #1C and "regular" 2C. Unless you have some play-driving wingers, you're not winning with a fine #2 as the best player on his line.

90-95th percentile+ type players are the defining characteristic of almost every cup winner ever. I get it that people think it's not fair to compare ours to Malkin and Backstrom but the reality is to win a Cup you're going to have to beat teams with guys like that on their 2nd line and you have a much better chance of doing so if you have someone good enough to move him or whoever we currently have to wing or down to the 3rd.

 

[Habby4Life]

Nice from you to admitt you were wrong about that trade. How many of you guys will admitt?

Not many! You would have thought we traded the great one for a bag of pucks. The hysterics were so over the top.

 

[Peanut]

Could well be that you arrive at the same conclusion at the end of the season. As may several or most of us, as well.

But now? Much, much too early to make that kind of statement, IMHO.

Last time a trade was declared a winner after October. One player finished 5th for the Norris while the other player made it all the way the SCF game 2 without having a even strength goal against him while being the most used D in a shutdown role.

 

[Habby4Life]

Last time a trade was declared a winner after October. One player finished 5th for the Norris while the other player made it all the way the SCF game 2 without having a even strength goal against him while being the most used D in a shutdown role.

You don't need to wait until the end of the year to see the clear difference in work ethic and compete. In 10 games we have seen more compete than years of golden boy.

 

[Runner77]

Last time a trade was declared a winner after October. One player finished 5th for the Norris while the other player made it all the way the SCF game 2 without having a even strength goal against him while being the most used D in a shutdown role.

Every trade is different. A great 10 games is a great 10 games.

 

[ZUKI]

Yeah I was attacked for saying it here but it's been backed by several people now...

there are still fans that won't beleive you and that will accuse you of drinking the Koolaid . Someone accused me of that stupid koolaid stuff yesterday

 

[Pickles]

Could well be that you arrive at the same conclusion at the end of the season. As may several or most of us, as well.

But now? Much, much too early to make that kind of statement, IMHO.

Maybe I am rushing to judgment a bit early. When the trade was made I thought it was really lopsided but all I had to go on was stats. After seeing him play for the first time last night I was really impressed with the kid.

Time will tell I suppose and seeing how Chucky hasn't played yet this season due to injury it's easy to say this trade was a slam dunk for Bergevin when we don't really know for sure.

 

[Runner77]

Maybe I am rushing to judgment a bit early. When the trade was made I thought it was really lopsided but all I had to go on was stats. After seeing him play for the first time last night I was really impressed with the kid.

Time will tell I suppose and seeing how Chucky hasn't played yet this season due to injury it's easy to say this trade was a slam dunk for Bergevin when we don't really know for sure.

What's going to be telling for me is seeing whether Domi is still prone to very long periods of drought, as we've been warned about by several Zona fans when the trade was announced. I'm hoping that how much he seems to fit in his current environment will mean that he we are seeing the real Domi now and that what he went through in Zona, was a stepping stone.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

Yeah I was attacked for saying it here but it's been backed by several people now...

there are still fans that won't beleive you and that will accuse you of drinking the Koolaid . Someone accused me of that stupid koolaid stuff yesterday

Random, anonymous posters on the internet will rightfully be disbelieved. Especially about things as vague and insignificant as "Chucky was knee-wobbly drunk one time".

 

[Runner77]

Random, anonymous posters on the internet will rightfully be disbelieved. Especially about things as vague and insignificant as "Chucky was knee-wobbly drunk one time".

Not as compelling as other random, anonymous posters on the internet making a mountain out of a story that was mentioned within a very limited and particular context.

 

[GHJimmy]

Could well be that you arrive at the same conclusion at the end of the season. As may several or most of us, as well.

But now? Much, much too early to make that kind of statement, IMHO.

Sure it's early in the season, as everyone thinks so. But to me he isn't slowing down each game instead he's playing harder and harder, his surroundings or awareness has improved so much, when he was in zona he didn't really have that much effect,and being demoted, but this year he seems very new, and finding his role or playing or making an impact, he seems more motivated and putting it with heart and soul, he's loving it and for that I'm loving him so much regardless of the trade, Galchenyuk never worked as hard as him, back checking, fore checking, speed, awareness, playmaking, and non stop playing like Gallagher as you mentioned

 

[Runner77]

...Galchenyuk never worked as hard as him, back checking, fore checking, speed, awareness, playmaking, and non stop playing like Gallagher as you mentioned

That's just the thing. It's all good if some fans feel like they must mention Galchenyuk in the same breath as Domi. It's not something I like to do, but to each his own.

Would our enjoyment of Domi's performance (assuming he continues to show he deserves the accolades he's getting), be any less if Galchenyuk has a great season in Arizona? As far as I'm concerned, both players can do well and we still come up on top, if Domi fills that top 6 C role, which had been elusive for the Habs for the longest time.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

Not as compelling as other random, anonymous posters on the internet making a mountain out of a story that was mentioned within a very limited and particular context.

I'm not asking for credibility. I'm shooting down a non-story.

If Chucky's social life was detrimental to his performance, that's one thing. Can anybody prove or make a compelling argument toward that? If it wasn't, all of this is irrelevant.

 

[Runner77]

I'm not asking for credibility. I'm shooting down a non-story.

If Chucky's social life was detrimental to his performance, that's one thing. Can anybody prove oror ma a compelling argument toward that? If it wasn't, all of this is irrelevant.

You've once again lifted something I mentioned in a post that was not intended in the manner that you have been churning it. We've already dealt with how young adults will party and get drunk. We've even "stopped the presses".

The example that was given was about exercising caution when it comes to sources, not about what Galchenuk may have consumed or what exactly put him in the state that he couldn't hold himself up and whether any of this contributed to his on-ice performance and by how much.

Now, if Galchenyuk did much more than that one incident that was reported by Latendresse, that's way beyond the scope of the incident as reported.

If you want to speculate about what Mario Tremblay alleged or how it may have impacted Galchenyuk's ability to perform, that's a whole other story. If that's what you're after, then please refer to it. If not, then all of this is going absolutely nowhere.

 

[Pickles]

What's going to be telling for me is seeing whether Domi is still prone to very long periods of drought, as we've been warned about by several Zona fans when the trade was announced. I'm hoping that how much he seems to fit in his current environment will mean that he we are seeing the real Domi now and that what he went through in Zona, was a stepping stone.

We'll see how the season progresses but I really like how he plays. He works hard and I think the change in scenery will benefit both players. You can tell Domi loves playing for Montreal.

 

[Burke the Legend]

Always take the higher IQ player over the guy who has the raw skills but questionable upstairs. The NHL game is insanely fast so it comes down to what I call "spatial processing" that lets a guy create time and space for himself to make the right decisions, let alone creative plays (btw we should all be thrilled the Kotkaniemi looks so comfortable already with the NHL speed). When you see a guy struggling with decisions in the NHL it's the speed overwhelming him. Galchenyuk has great tools, ++hands, +one-timer, but struggles with all other aspects. A big one-timer especially is a really deadly weapon, and he's shown his potential is over 30 goals which is significant, but then if you're thinking long term that's the kind of winger who will often have a very steep decline in the late 20s, early 30s when he no longer has that physical edge (right when he gets the big contract). It's the higher IQ guys who adjust their game better to slower muscles.

 

[Captain Mountain]

why cant you just be happy with how he's doing?

I'm VERY happy with how he's been doing. Don't get me wrong. I'm just not convinced he's a first liner yet. I think that (with some face-off work), he can be a top-6 center long term, which I never would have guessed before the season. But its been 10 games. And I'd like to see more consistency (especially at ES).

I don't think Domi's been bad mind you (far from it), I just want to see more from his line in general (and Drouin in particular). But Domi isn't a star right now and he's not going to shoot over 23% all season unless he pulls a Karlsson.

 

[tooji]

he isnt a real C tho. The only reason he is playing as one cuz we are the Habs with no C depth (currently). I fully expect to go fishing in the UFA market (Duchene?) and/or fill our C depth with our deep prospect pool. I mean as soon as Kotka, Poehling, Suzuki are ready, do you really think he stays as a C?
1C - Kotka
2C - Poehling/UFA signing/Suzuki
3C - Poehling/Danault
I expect him to transition to the Wing where his game is better suited

I think after watching him play for these first 10 games I’m not sure you can say his game is better suited for wing. If he continues to play at even a fraction of the level he’s playing right now he’ll be a center for us through and through

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

The thing that has impressed me the most about Domi so far to me isn't his point totals, it is the plays he's making prior to us ending up with the scoring chances. He's been starting plays from our own end or in the neutral zone (hard back checks, quick passes etc) and then the next thing we know we are in the opponent's end with a scoring chance.