Player Discussion Max Domi Part II

[Runner77]

From what I've seen of his games in Zona, he won't be a center there either.

Doesn't mean anything. He's barely played and you don't know what the coaching staff believes about him.

How about we wait and see what happens once he's played extensively?

 

[26Mats]

I see Domi as a centre....Suzuki I see as a winger.

Kotka
Domi
Poehling

That’s my 3 centres moving fwd......

Unless we draft a Cozens or Dach, that’s who I’m going with for the next decade

Let's see what Poehling does at the pro level. Having Danault in the mix is also a huge plus. With the emergence of KK and Domi, center is no longer our biggest position of need. I would argue it's high quality offensive wingers. We have Drouin, Domi, KK, and Gallagher as legit top 6 forwards for the next 7 years say. We need to add to that core. Hopefully Suzuki is number 5.

Timmins seems to constantly add good dmen, so I'm not worried on that front. There will be more coming after Brook, Fleury, Tsyka, and Walford as candidates to replace Weber and Petry in the future.

 

[Habs Icing]

Doesn't mean anything. He's barely played and you don't know what the coaching staff believes about him.

How about we wait and see what happens once he's played extensively?

How many more games does one have to watch to see that he is completely lost in the defensive zone? The same errors he was making here, he's making there. And quite honestly I could care less what the coaching staff believes. Here in Montreal last year the coaching staff used Drouin at center the whole year when anyone with a half brain knew he should have been moved to the wing. Sometimes coaches don't have the final say. How many games of Galchenyuk in Arizona have you watched?

 

[Shad]

Please ban Galchenyuk's name from this thread. I figured you guys massively overrating him would end when he was moved but so it continues, in Domi's thread nevertheless.

 

[26Mats]

Please ban Galchenyuk's name from this thread. I figured you guys massively overrating him would end when he was moved but so it continues, in Domi's thread nevertheless.

You're the one weighing in with your opinion of Galchenyuk, as if it's definitive. Domi's great. But Galchneyuk is too. If you want to get into a debate about Galchneyuk, but don't want to do so in the Domi thread, go to another thread with these posts, however wrong-minded they may be.

 

[groovejuice]

Doesn't mean anything. He's barely played and you don't know what the coaching staff believes about him.

How about we wait and see what happens once he's played extensively?

I doubt he's at 100% at this point. Still 2 points in 3 games isn't disappointing production.

 

[Shad]

You're the one weighing in with your opinion of Galchenyuk, as if it's definitive. Domi's great. But Galchneyuk is too. If you want to get into a debate about Galchneyuk, but don't want to do so in the Domi thread, go to another thread with these posts, however wrong-minded they may be.

I literally said to take Galchenyuk out of the thread, the complete opposite of getting in a debate about him. Stop projecting.

 

[Peanut]

I doubt he's at 100% at this point. Still 2 points in 3 games isn't disappointing production.

You are massively overrating him 2 points in 3 games is awful I thought this kind of BS would stopped when he was moved!

 

[26Mats]

I literally said to take Galchenyuk out of the thread, the complete opposite of getting in a debate about him. Stop projecting.

If you want to take Glachenyuk's name out of this thread, don't start accusing people of overrating Galchenyuk - in the same post in this thread. Period.

 

[Jaynki]

I doubt he's at 100% at this point. Still 2 points in 3 games isn't disappointing production.

Can you imagine 11 points in 10 games then

 

[Doc McKenna]

Can you imagine 11 points in 10 games then

Sample sizes are great when they are meaningless. Or is Domi a 90 point player?

 

[Shad]

If you want to take Glachenyuk's name out of this thread, don't start accusing people of overrating Galchenyuk - in the same post in this thread. Period.

 

[groovejuice]

Can you imagine 11 points in 10 games then

I can imagine anything. I also know that extrapolating from a very few games is a good way to make bad predictions.

 

[26Mats]

 

[Runner77]

I doubt he's at 100% at this point. Still 2 points in 3 games isn't disappointing production.

I learned on HF that all you need to do in order to ascertain whether Galchenyuk will be a center with his new team or not, is to watch his first 3 games.

 

[Runner77]

Sample sizes are great when they are meaningless. Or is Domi a 90 point player?

Only time sample sizes don't matter is if it's about a Habs player who happens to be on a hot streak.

 

[Kriss E]

Can you imagine 11 points in 10 games then

Actually ya...didnt Galch put up 9pts in 10gp at center with Patches and Gallagher on his wings a couple years ago?
Genius therrien decided to break that up though. We needed DD to lead us!

 

[Frank Drebin]

Only time sample sizes don't matter is if it's about a Habs player who happens to be on a hot streak.

Or when DSP resembles a hockey player for 4 games in a row

 

[Runner77]

Or when DSP resembles a hockey player for 4 games in a row

DSP is ancient history. Look at here and now. Those first 10 games are being extrapolated to high kingdom come.

Small sample sizes are small sample sizes. It shouldn't matter if it's for a Hab player or not. Unfortunately, that's not how it works in here.

 

[Frank Drebin]

DSP is ancient history. Look at here and now. Those first 10 games are being extrapolated to high kingdom come.

Small sample sizes are small sample sizes. It shouldn't matter if it's for a Hab player or not. Unfortunately, that's not how it works in here.

Both sides do it when they want to prove a point.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to project Domi as a defensively responsible 50-60 point player in his prime based on what we've seen from him so far along with what he did in AZ, along with his draft pedigree?

And it's fair also to assume, that if Galchenyuk pans out at center, he will best case top out at 65-70 points but never be known for his defensive prowess?

So, if we can agree on both of these predictions, worst case scenario is that we're not going to get fleeced on this deal. We traded a useful player for one that is useful in a different and maybe better way.

 

[Kriss E]

Let's see what Poehling does at the pro level. Having Danault in the mix is also a huge plus. With the emergence of KK and Domi, center is no longer our biggest position of need. I would argue it's high quality offensive wingers. We have Drouin, Domi, KK, and Gallagher as legit top 6 forwards for the next 7 years say. We need to add to that core. Hopefully Suzuki is number 5.

Timmins seems to constantly add good dmen, so I'm not worried on that front. There will be more coming after Brook, Fleury, Tsyka, and Walford as candidates to replace Weber and Petry in the future.

Completely disagree.
KK is just a very young prospect with potential at this point. He is anything but a certainty.
Domi is on possibly the best stretch of his career. Sustainable? Again, anything but a certainty.
By Christmas, we could easily be saying how Kotkaniemi shouldn't be on the team and Domi just had a hot streak.

I still want more centers.

 

[BushFireRecordsRedux]

Maybe other elements would affect Galchenyuk's game but I think Chucky's skill set would mesh with Domi perfectly. Drouin has played better in some games but he never places himself in optimal positions to receive Domi's passes.

If nothing else Galchenyuk knew where to go on the ice for his shot on net. Domi would have made Chucky a consistent 40 goal player. Drouin is still trying to figure out what sort of player he'll be. Chucky half realized he was another Pacioretty. A player with an elite shot.

Yeah I'm not sure Galchenyuk ever half realized that. He was pretty loathe to use his shot 5 on 5 (for a guy who could shoot like that) and tended to prefer to only use at the end of a very nice play. He had a great set 1 timer, deadly on the PP and hard to use 5 on 5, hence why he only scored 10 ES goals in 82 games last year. Pacioretty was regularly up near 300 shots in a full season. Galchenyuk, never used his shot like that, he was a different player. He was a good offensive player, especially on the PP but it would take a weird goofy year for him to score 40 if he's only taking 200 shots.

Also, Galchenyuk has scored at about a 23-24 goal per 82 game pace since 2015 (starting with his breakout 30g season). Not sure Max Domi is anywhere near good enough to make a 24 goal guy into a 40 goal goal BUT if he is, then we made a great f***ing trade.

 

[DangerDave]

Completely disagree.
KK is just a very young prospect with potential at this point. He is anything but a certainty.
Domi is on possibly the best stretch of his career. Sustainable? Again, anything but a certainty.
By Christmas, we could easily be saying how Kotkaniemi shouldn't be on the team and Domi just had a hot streak.

I still want more centers.

I agree. Can't have too many centers. Worst case Ontario they can be converted to wingers. We've seen what happens when you try to convert a winger to center.

I have a good feeling about KK and Domi though. Their chances of success are very high imo.

 

[Runner77]

Both sides do it when they want to prove a point.

There's one side that does it a lot more than the other.

However, maybe we can agree on this: it doesn't do any side any good. It doesn't make for any type of productive discussion. It's always peppered with hot takes, hyperbole, insults and confrontations that spill over multiple threads. It's childish.

And it leads to untenable and illogical assertions that go much further. Apparently, it's not enough that Domi is having a great start -- one can't possibly be happy about that while not feeling the urge to crap on Galchenyuk. So what if Galchenyuk does well with Zona, becomes a full time center and/or scores 30 plus goals? Does it really matter how well or how badly Galchenyuk does if Domi fills a need and shows he can be a top 6 center over a full season?

It seems as if the minute a player is traded away, he needs to be cut down to size in order to feel better about the incoming asset. Why don't we skip that non-essential step completely?

Or, better still, what if we make attempts to value both players in a transaction as objectively as possible? Or is that too much to ask?

 

[Kriss E]

I agree. Can't have too many centers. Worst case Ontario they can be converted to wingers. We've seen what happens when you try to convert a winger to center.

I have a good feeling about KK and Domi though. Their chances of success are very high imo.

I'm not convinced on Domi at all, but it's encouraging to see.
KK is still too young for us to know anything.