Player Discussion Max Domi Part II

[azcanuck]

Alex has played okay here for the two games he's participated in. He's finding his form again.
But like I said this past summer you will like Domi. He is always on the puck with grit to go along with his skill. He was just snake bit last year around the net. He was usually the Yotes best player on the ice.

 

[26Mats]

Completely disagree.
KK is just a very young prospect with potential at this point. He is anything but a certainty.
Domi is on possibly the best stretch of his career. Sustainable? Again, anything but a certainty.
By Christmas, we could easily be saying how Kotkaniemi shouldn't be on the team and Domi just had a hot streak.

I still want more centers.

You make a good point. But I think we need a star, a game breaker, and if we can't get that at least more high end offensive talent. Of course if we can get such players at center that's better than on the wing. But if we can get more on the wing - more Gallagher level offensive players - that would be huge.

 

[417]

I'm not convinced on Domi at all, but it's encouraging to see.
KK is still too young for us to know anything.

What are you not convinced of i'm curious?

Personally, i've been very impressed and it's not because he's doing anything outstanding or unsustainable out there (production aside), he's not playing out of his skin. He's playing exactly like he always has, it's just the results are bearing for him.

His success this year has mostly come from his work rate and as long as that remains what it has been, I don't know why he couldn't sustain his current level of play (again, not necessarily production as that comes and goes).

 

[buddahsmoka1]

Both sides do it when they want to prove a point.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to project Domi as a defensively responsible 50-60 point player in his prime based on what we've seen from him so far along with what he did in AZ, along with his draft pedigree?

And it's fair also to assume, that if Galchenyuk pans out at center, he will best case top out at 65-70 points but never be known for his defensive prowess?

So, if we can agree on both of these predictions, worst case scenario is that we're not going to get fleeced on this deal. We traded a useful player for one that is useful in a different and maybe better way.

Why would we agree with these projections? I don't understand this need to place a 10-20 point premium on Galchenyuk, and you're not the only one who does this; it's a regular occurrence.

For the thousandth time: Galchenyuk and Domi have roughly the same career PPG. In fact, Galchenyuk's is .58 and Domi's is .62.

There is no real reason to place Galchenyuk's ceiling higher than Domi's. None whatsoever.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Why would we agree with these projections? I don't understand this need to place a 10-20 point premium on Galchenyuk, and you're not the only one who does this; it's a regular occurrence.

For the thousandth time: Galchenyuk and Domi have roughly the same career PPG. In fact, Galchenyuk's is .58 and Domi's is .62.

There is no real reason to place Galchenyuk's ceiling higher than Domi's. None whatsoever.

Yeah I'm not seeing how Galchenyuk is THAT much more skillled than Domi is to overcome the massive difference in effort level and speed. I'm not even sure Galchenyuk is more skilled than Domi period.

 

[buddahsmoka1]

Yeah I'm not seeing how Galchenyuk is THAT much more skillled than Domi is to overcome the massive difference in effort level and speed. I'm not even sure Galchenyuk is more skilled than Domi period.

They're both skilled in very different ways, but I agree, I don't think Galchenyuk is more skilled than Domi. In fact, I think the way that Domi plays the game is more conducive to higher point production.

It's pretty clear that Galchenyuk has better stickhandling in close and within the offensive zone. It's also clear Galchenyuk has a better and harder shot, especially snap/slap shot. Galchenyuk is going to get a lot of his points off of finishing other people's plays and on the PP.

But it's also clear that Domi is better at handing the puck off the rush, is much better at distributing the puck and playmaking, and reading the playing/seeing the ice. Domi is going to get most of his points as being a catalyst to goals and off the rush.

They are different players, that play different types of games, but I see no evidence to suggest that Galchenyuk is more skilled, has a higher ceiling, nor is going to produce more points than Domi.

 

[417]

They're both skilled in very different ways, but I agree, I don't think Galchenyuk is more skilled than Domi. In fact, I think the way that Domi plays the game is more conducive to higher point production.

It's pretty clear that Galchenyuk has better stickhandling in close and within the offensive zone. It's also clear Galchenyuk has a better and harder shot, especially snap/slap shot. Galchenyuk is going to get a lot of his points off of finishing other people's plays and on the PP.

But it's also clear that Domi is better at handing the puck off the rush, is much better at distributing the puck and playmaking, and reading the playing/seeing the ice. Domi is going to get most of his points as being a catalyst to goals and off the rush.

They are different players, that play different types of games, but I see no evidence to suggest that Galchenyuk is more skilled, has a higher ceiling, nor is going to produce more points than Domi.

I used to think that too but Domi is pretty adept at handling the puck in tight and in confined spaces, in fact, i'd say he's better at it.

Galchenyuk has a harder shot - I wouldn't say he has a better one as Galchenyuk really struggles with accuracy and shooting mechanics.

Otherwise, agree with you

 

[Habs Icing]

They're both skilled in very different ways, but I agree, I don't think Galchenyuk is more skilled than Domi. In fact, I think the way that Domi plays the game is more conducive to higher point production.

It's pretty clear that Galchenyuk has better stickhandling in close and within the offensive zone. It's also clear Galchenyuk has a better and harder shot, especially snap/slap shot. Galchenyuk is going to get a lot of his points off of finishing other people's plays and on the PP.

But it's also clear that Domi is better at handing the puck off the rush, is much better at distributing the puck and playmaking, and reading the playing/seeing the ice. Domi is going to get most of his points as being a catalyst to goals and off the rush.

They are different players, that play different types of games, but I see no evidence to suggest that Galchenyuk is more skilled, has a higher ceiling, nor is going to produce more points than Domi.

I agree with you almost 100%. I disagree withe highlighted part. I think Domi has better stickhandling skills in close. Chucky was constantly losing the puck to the opponents in close quarters. Domi rarely has the puck taken off his stick.

 

[DangerDave]

Domi is simply better equipped for the modern nhl. His speed skill and vision is elite which is what the current game is all about. The only concern with him was size when he was drafted but it's not an issue anymore.

Is his current production sustainable? Probably not. But a couple 70 pt seasons are not out of the question.

 

[Kriss E]

What are you not convinced of i'm curious?

Personally, i've been very impressed and it's not because he's doing anything outstanding or unsustainable out there (production aside), he's not playing out of his skin. He's playing exactly like he always has, it's just the results are bearing for him.

His success this year has mostly come from his work rate and as long as that remains what it has been, I don't know why he couldn't sustain his current level of play (again, not necessarily production as that comes and goes).

Because the sample size is small and he's producing at an unparalleled rate.
I never said he couldn't sustain it, I said I'm not convinced, because he's never done it and a high end ppg center was never his ceiling. So ya, I'm not convinced.

 

[417]

Because the sample size is small and he's producing at an unparalleled rate.
I never said he couldn't sustain it, I said I'm not convinced, because he's never done it and a high end ppg center was never his ceiling. So ya, I'm not convinced.

I wasn't talking about his production...just wanted to know from your perspective, what in his game do you think he's doing at an unsustainable level.

 

[Kriss E]

I wasn't talking about his production...just wanted to know from your perspective, what in his game do you think he's doing at an unsustainable level.

His production.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

His production.

yeah I don't see it either. But I think it's more so because we just can never seem to have nice things. I loved him coming out of junior and I thought he was going to be a stud. I don't know what happened in AZ. Yotes fans seemed to think he was their best player. I think Galch can still be better than he was here but I got a good feeling we don't lose this trade.

Gally seems to like him which couldn't be a bad sign of potential locker room issues. Mind you those are things that likely happen slowly over time.

I don't know if he can play THIS intense the whole season long. Maybe a tiny bit less as I've never heard effort be an issue.

It all seems too good to be true at this point especially that he's doing it as a C. It's pretty mind-blowing. Definitely cautious at this point but he's playing like my favourite Hab forward since I've started watching 30 years ago IF he keeps this up.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Why would we agree with these projections? I don't understand this need to place a 10-20 point premium on Galchenyuk, and you're not the only one who does this; it's a regular occurrence.

For the thousandth time: Galchenyuk and Domi have roughly the same career PPG. In fact, Galchenyuk's is .58 and Domi's is .62.

There is no real reason to place Galchenyuk's ceiling higher than Domi's. None whatsoever.

I was being conservative with domis projections and generous with galchenyuks to illustrate a point, even if chucky outscores domi, it's going to be difficult to call this trade a loss given the difference in the players 200'game.

The poster i replied to was talking about sample sizes and such, and i think we've seen enough of Domi to predict he can be a defensively responsible 50-60 point player.

We've also seen enough of galchenyuk to know that he's an offensive minded 50-60 point player, but we don't know how hell produce at c.

Basically even if chucky outproduces him for the remainder of their careers by 20% (he won't) it's difficult to call the trade a loss for us because domi is such a better all around player.

 

[Seb]

Domi games streak without clowning ends at 10

 

[MarkovsKnee]

As shown again tonight, he definitely has a temper. I like emotional players, because if they can harness it then it can drive them to be major contributors like Gallagher.

He's still real young and Gally could lose his cool too. It is something he needs to work on. If we do one day make the playoffs I can see him doing some stupid things a la Prust. He's too skilled and talented to go there.

 

[Fazkovsky]

You build championships with players like gallagher and domi

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Domi is a stud but also overachieving. I want for him to take a backseat and be a talented shit disturber not unlike a Kadri.

If you put kadri on line 1 you'll have issues over 82 games. He's not a true #1. I do think Kadri is better than Domi but just saying guys like this are huge on 2nd and 3rd lines for a competitive team.

 

[Kriss E]

yeah I don't see it either. But I think it's more so because we just can never seem to have nice things. I loved him coming out of junior and I thought he was going to be a stud. I don't know what happened in AZ. Yotes fans seemed to think he was their best player. I think Galch can still be better than he was here but I got a good feeling we don't lose this trade.

Gally seems to like him which couldn't be a bad sign of potential locker room issues. Mind you those are things that likely happen slowly over time.

I don't know if he can play THIS intense the whole season long. Maybe a tiny bit less as I've never heard effort be an issue.

It all seems too good to be true at this point especially that he's doing it as a C. It's pretty mind-blowing. Definitely cautious at this point but he's playing like my favourite Hab forward since I've started watching 30 years ago IF he keeps this up.

Possible...we have to go back to Kovalev as the last guy to be a ppg player for us 11 years ago.
I'd love for him to become that for us but I need a bigger sample than 10ish games for me to be all giddy about it.
Being an 80pt #1 center is a big thing and sometimes less than a handful of guys make it.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

At this point I'm happy if Domi shows goal scoring ability and puts to bed he's not one dimensional. A solid 60 point season would be huge. 15-20 goals, 40-45 assists. I'd be happy with that.

 

[ImNeverWrong]

chucky will zoom past him in point production in 2 weeks tops and not look back.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

chucky will zoom past him in point production in 2 weeks tops and not look back.

That's great for Galchenyuk if he does. I'm not certain on that. Domi has a higher PPG career wise than Galchenyuk(only 0.02 higher so negligible) so why is Galchenyuk suddenly going to be a Rockstar and Domi won't? Galchenyuk is playing C and people make more points as C. Domi is playing C too and making more points as a result.

I bet they end up pretty close.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

That's great for Galchenyuk if he does. I'm not certain on that. Domi has a higher PPG career wise than Galchenyuk(only 0.02 higher so negligible) so why is Galchenyuk suddenly going to be a Rockstar and Domi won't? Galchenyuk is playing C and people make more points as C. Domi is playing C too and making more points as a result.

I bet they end up pretty close.

Chucky was leaving a situation where he wasn't playing the position he preferred and was looked over. Julien started him on a line with two non-NHLers in the playoffs. Domi doesn't seem to be suffering from such a situation and indeed had worn out his welcome in Arizona despite ample opportunities. The organization was awful though, so we can both agree those opportunities weren't all that much.

Cs don't make more points than Ws, that's preposterous. The very best players happen to be Cs but even then, many Ws are as productive as Cs. The leading forward scorer on the Habs was a W for many, many years. The last PPG player the Habs had was a W. Ridiculous statement.

Chucky is also homegrown so fans will clearly see him in a rosier light. Well, certain fans anyway. Domi has been great so far, exceeding expectation. That's all that we can say about the trade at this moment but if Chucky keeps up his torrid pace, something his talent promised many years ago, then it'll look very poorly on the Habs organization.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Alex has played okay here for the two games he's participated in. He's finding his form again.
But like I said this past summer you will like Domi. He is always on the puck with grit to go along with his skill. He was just snake bit last year around the net. He was usually the Yotes best player on the ice.

Too bad we couldn't have Domi's compete level, skating, and vision, but with Galchenyuk's shot! Domi impressed me so far but I'd like to see him shoot more and also work on his shot.

 

[Adam Michaels]