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The Kingslayer
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Im American, so I can’t really speak first hand to the relationship between Quebecois and the rest of the country. But it could certainly be a motive. Probably similar to the tension between millenials in NYC and republicans in Texas.
Stephen
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The more I think about the Hockey Canadian tradition in the WJC as a Canadian, the more I dislike it. What kind of entitled and insecure culture have we been perpetuating with this TSN Christmas Monster when we see the same plot recycled over and over again, how we're supposed to steam roll an international tournament, and how we even wear gold on our logo. And when we lose, we are such sore losers. For shame Canada.
There has never been even speculation about kids being paid to attend to the WJC. This isn't like CHL teams such as Windsor or Portland.
If you seriously think Hockey Canada is paying kids off the books to attend the WJC, I don't know what to say. There is absolutely no evidence to support such a claim. The fact we've had 100's of kids play for Canada, and nothing has ever come out about Hockey Canada paying these players is telling.
Hockey Canada is overseen as an NSO and has to meet certain requirements to keep its status. Which requires independent auditing of their books. Yes, you can do things "off-the-books" but nowhere as easily as CHL teams or Division 1 booster programs.
Stephen
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Couldn't speak for the rest of the country, but I find the root of the issue with Canada at the WJC to be a media hype problem. Reminds of Friday Night Lights when a community, or in this case a nation, is so willing to bestow some folk hero status on these random kids, and it's so artificial and manufactured and when things go wrong, they get eaten alive. If everything goes according to the script, everyone fawns over the kids, but when things go wrong, as they can in any tournament, they get eaten alive, disowned, etc. I think the WJC's, its promoters and TSN media coverage has really lost the plot in terms of what made it a special tournament.
Virtanen got it as bad or worse in 2016 and he's a BC kid. I don't think its primarily rooted in him being Quebecois. It is primarily rooted in him being the captain, missing the penalty shot and his diving. Now, there will always be a couple idiots who go that route, but I don't think that is fueling the overwhelming response.
Yeah, I don't think it is a major factor, but when a goat needs to be chosen I think it is one of the things that nudge the mob one way over another. If he'd been a Leaf draft pick he'd have been clear.
Virtanen from BC and a Canuck pick was also an easy choice for the majority... and did more wrong than Comtois. Marner got a total pass for a selfish penalty and some very selfish (and yes, skillful) play.
Missing a penalty shot is no reason at all, and the diving didn't cause the loss. It just makes no sense to blame him.
Marner got crap here, but he was also the only reason we were still in that game. Virtanen was terrible and took really dumb penalties.
If you think Marner got it easier because he's a Leaf pick and from Ontario, that's ridiculous. All Canadian fanbases get their players trashed due to being overly vocal pimping them.
Man Bear Pig
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Theres a big difference between saying something on here vs attacking someone's personal social media page(s). I dont think most here would stoop to that level. Hell, I wasn't happy but I never even gave the thought to google his name meanwhile, attack the guy. The internet is full of cowards, that's how it is. Everyone is a tough guy until they get doxxed.
It was disproportionate. And "he got us here so it's ok if he costs us" is pretty weak. He was expected to be better.
Still none of this explains Comtois. He played well, one of the better players, though none stood out.
Marner scored the two goals to keep us in the game, and people still bashed him over it. If you think Leafs players get an easy pass on this site, I don't know what to tell you. Hell, it was your local paper that put him on the cover bashing him, not any other area.
David Suzuki
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Not a great comparison for a whole bunch of reasons. It's closer to how people hate Kaep not just because he kneeled during the anthem but also because he's black and kneeled for the anthem. People hate Comtois because he dove but they REALLY hate him because he's French and dove.
I'm trying to understand how things get boiled down to picking one goat and offering hypotheses. I think larger fan bases exert more influence, and people are biased towards their regions and prospects. NYR fans were as vocal defending Lias Anderson last year as Swedes, and somehow the narrative that he was heroic, not immature carried the day.
Marner took a frustrating matching minor that hurt us. After scoring 2 goals to keep us in the game during the 3rd. Virtanen took two really dumb offensive zone penalties, which led to both of Laine's goals. And, he also got bashed on here for it. It's just our local paper didn't decide to bash him on the cover, because all things considered he had a good game. Virtanen's game and tournament was terrible. I'm not saying that makes it right, but to equate their performances and say it was disproportionate because of one-mistake, compared to multiple and a bad tournament is reaching, and a case of you playing a victim for your fanbase (which Leafs fans do too, and I hate it when they do).
1909
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The game could had gone either way even if Comtois missed his penalty shot. It was not the end of the World, nor the end of the Game.
Explain Comtois. Penalty shots are converted about 30%... I didn't see him all too take it. Played as well as any Canadian skater the rest of the time. I sincerely think of he's a Leaf draft pick he gets an easier ride. You doubt that?
hairylikebear
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We all know where the line is. Where you cross it shouldn't matter.
No, it would just be more divided and extreme, because most likely more people from both sides would get involved. This happens with most things Leafs related on this site. Your conclusion is flawed. The fact you think the primary reason Marner got off easier (due to playing way better, and his penalty not leading to a goal), compared to Virtanen's three penalty's (with the final one contributing to the last Laine PP goal) and one point tournament and the difference in backlash they got was due to which team someone plays for is ridiculous. Virtanen was the worst player on the team and was the captain. He took 6 minutes in offensive zone penalties. It would have been a dick move to trash him on social media and it was for your own local paper to put him on the cover bashing him. But, the difference in reaction wasn't team based.
People were bashing Comtois going into yesterday because of his diving, running up the score vs Denmark (and celebrating), and people didn't like how that was representing Canada. There are a bunch of comments showing this prior to him missing the penalty shot. Him being the person who missed the penalty shot just pushed it into overdrive. I don't think it's fair to the kid, but I don't think it's because he's french. It's because he was the captain of the team, we lost in the quarters, and people didn't like his play.
Agreed, I'm just saying if they'd won the tournament then the diving is forgotten.
The diving really had nothing to do with them losing (though I also dislike it and wished he wouldn't), so it doesn't add up with "missed a penalty shot" to make him the key guy to blame.
sabresEH
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It’s amazing how many people don’t realize this. We put so much pressure on these KIDS it’s ridiculous. I don’t care if they are 19 and technically adults. They are kids and we need to ease up on them. This isn’t the Olympics and these guys aren’t being paid millions to put up with our shit. They are literally playing for the love of the game. No one takes it harder than the players themselves. The last thing they need is to have Canada harass them because we lost a f***ing hockey game.
I gave up truly caring about this tournament a few years ago. With how much TSN hypes it up and the amount of pressure put on them by the casual fan I just can’t stand to care anymore. I still follow the tournament and TC more than just about everyone except for us HFers but the outcome of the tourney doesn’t matter. I was pissed when Finland scored last night. But I let out a f*** and then went and played some battlefield before my own hockey. And guess what, woke up today and it was the same as every other day.
But he played well enough, I know you are a keen enough observer of the sport that you saw that much. I guess maybe it's explanation enough that the general fan didn't watch or can't follow well enough to make a reasonable assessment and judge him on the penalty shot alone. I think you have to want to dislike someone to reach that far.
No only is it a game, where most of the players earn 35 dollars a week, it's really a meaningless little tournament.
Enjoy it if you want, but to get upset for more than evening if your team loses,,,,gee isn't that sad. How are these FANatics going to manage their lives when they experience real trauma and disappointment.
Enjoy it if you want, but to get upset for more than evening if your team loses,,,,gee isn't that sad. How are these FANatics going to manage their lives when they experience real trauma and disappointment.
