Prospect Info: Matthew Tkachuk or PL Dubois (Round 3)
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Here's what you cannot deny about Tkachuk:
his trajectory is 1st overall type of production.
I will also say re: Tkachuk's production in the OHL finals and the Mem Cup (didn't catch him much before that) is that I really didn't see him being "carried" or "propped" up by Marner and Dvorak. Yes those two certainly are great to play with but its not like Tkachuk was getting second assists for dumping the puck in or getting empty net tap ins for his goals. His ability to make plays in heavy traffic is as elite as I've seen in a while. And while Marner is much more noticeable due to his tendency to skate and carry the puck more I found it was Tkachuk who often made the more "NHL play" in heavy traffic with bodies around and while along the boards and net. In some ways I think he'd be the *perfect* 3rd Sedin with his playstyle, except for also being a LW like Daniel.
I can see that he may have a few more points simply because as a line they dominated offensively so much but I feel Tkachuk is full value for the points he put up.
Interesting stuff over in the Oilers draft thread. Lots of scuttlebut that Chiarelli loves Tkachuk but their scouts are pushing hard for Brown, that CBJ also wants Brown and may look to drop a couple of spots (but not too far) to do so, and that the Oilers seemingly are leaning towards keeping the #4 pick and using it themselves now.
Some are admittedly rumours from board members so take with a grain or two of salt but others come from media sources (Stauffer).
Interesting material if nothing else.
Some are admittedly rumours from board members so take with a grain or two of salt but others come from media sources (Stauffer).
Interesting material if nothing else.
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No doubt...it's Benning. He'd move down to 9th for Montreal's later 2nd rounder and then crow gleefully about how he got to draft a guy he had ranked at 40. The man is a bumbling fool. I think it's very valid to trade down to 6-9 but I don't want this GM making trades of any kind. Not up...not down...just draft you idiot...draft!
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Here's what you cannot deny about Tkachuk:
his trajectory is 1st overall type of production.
If you only look at his numbers he is ahead of most 1st overalls.
the really unlikely but hilarious situation is if after all our hand-wringing, pulj is discarded aside by the idiots in edm and cbj and falls his way to us
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He's been on the radar for a lot longer.
He's also flashier but I don't think that's as big of a deal because a lot of people have barely seen him play since he's been over in Finland.
Odd. Stauffer is probably not in the know with Chia and his top guys like he was with Mac T.
With McJesus and Dr Drai in the fold Brown makes no sense for them unless they mean to throw the 4th overall after 3C. Tkachuk/Dubois/Pulju, on the other hand, are tailor made for their needs. Even a conversion to winger would be puzzling since there are more talented wingers available. Nor is size still an issue for them in the top 6 with the emergence of the German. Take Tkachuk/Dubois, trade Nuge or Ebs for D and they're solid.
I also think it likely Benning knows Chia's intentions with the pick, subject to trade coming along. No reason not to divulge to a long time colleague who can't affect the outcome. Just common courtesy with the understanding that JB will do the same when the situation is reversed.
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he is bigger by weight and height even though its not by much (6'3 210) superior skater and agility over Dubois/Tkachuk.
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yeah brown makes absolutely zero sense to edmonton, they're loaded with u-23 centres, pulju seems like a perfect fit there.
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More talented wingers than a converted Draisatl? No, I don't think so. That may be what scouts are envisioning: Push Draisaitl to wing, left or right, then trade the surplus of Eberle, Yakupov and/or RNH to fill needs. Top 2 centres are McDavid and Brown. Top Wingers are Draisaitl and Hall.
It depends upon how much they trade from their winger depth to fill needs on defense. Draisaitl can be permanently converted to wing. Nothing set in stone with him.
As long as benning dont get cute and trade down.
Make it simple and take tkachuk or dubois. If he wants to trade, trade UP to get #3 and draft jesse
Make it simple and take tkachuk or dubois. If he wants to trade, trade UP to get #3 and draft jesse
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Not when they have a generational C as their #1 and a #2 who is a much better prospect in Draisaitl going forward.
Yeah, there's just absolutely no way Logan Brown turns out to be a better center/player than Draisaitl.
They also haven't actually traded RNH yet.
I get wanting the BPA but what's the value in loading up on one position when every team in the league knows you have to get rid of at least two of those guys?
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Much better skater, much better athlete, more size, more reach, better carrying the puck, much better defensive presence while having the same (and potentially even greater) offensive presence. And this is coming from someone who REALLY likes Tkachuk as I see him as a dominant offensive player, 1st line caliber. Pujularvi just skates like the wind, can operate and handle in full flight, has elite hockey sense, elite offensive tools, is 6"4' and has the offensive upside to be a PPG guy in the NHL while still being excellent defensively.. Sort of like a better version of prime Loui Erikkson. He's being criminally underrated in my opinion anyways.
This goal is a great example of his skill described above - it's all just so effortless for him...
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I definitely don't associate "elite" puck carrying/handling ability with Puljujarvi, I think he gets by on his ridiculous skating. Like a Virtanen on steroids. I think even in that video it's really obvious how clumsy he is with the puck, not a chance that play would happen in higher competition.
Still a top-end talent IMO and he should go 3-4, I just don't see that as a strength.
Still a top-end talent IMO and he should go 3-4, I just don't see that as a strength.
Evolu7ion
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I just mean he can protect the puck with the best of them, and when he's blowing through the neutral zone at top speed he's in full control and still has the ability to make decisions with the puck and drive possession/create scoring chances.
Another example is at 4:22. And another is 4:38.
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I'm a little concerned that the larger Ice and more space contributes to Puljujarvi points significantly and if that will really translate into the NHL.
Smaller Ice AND better faster competition.
Smaller Ice AND better faster competition.
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I find that hard to believe. If anything, I think Benning's comments about having a D-man in mind at 5 was to encourage the Oilers to take one at 4 and not trade down with someone who may scoop whoever Benning prefers between Tkachuk and Dubois.
It's one of those two or bust....or better be.
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