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Matthew Knies, do not trade this kid.

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ACC1224 said:
I imagine he was upset because the GM talked. He wanted the Hawks GM to know that speaking about confidential talks is a no no.
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Yep. There's a reason why the rookie Hawks GM essentially was pressured nto making a public apology at the league GMs meeting that happened after. He broke protocol with his loose talk

The timing of the leak too particularly frustrating for Dubas who had been planning to hold a meeting with Knies following the end of his last season - the leaks just ended up being an unnecessary distraction for all involved
 
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ACC1224 said:
I imagine he was upset because the GM talked. He wanted the Hawks GM to know that speaking about confidential talks is a no no.
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That's all fine and dandy ..

However this is a Matthew Knies thread and I'm failing to see how this impacts him negatively.

Since Toronto still owns his rights that means they like him and refused to trade him, and what would it matter if 10 teams leaked their interest in acquiring Knies in trade, as that from his perspective means he must be a good prospect if demand and interest is high and that is good thing not a bad thing.

The only way Knies could be upset/offended is if it was the Leafs shopping him and that news got leaked because then it shows him his current team is willing to trade him away in the right deal.
 
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Gallagbi said:
I dont think any short term rental gets him if we passed on Hagel and MAF while dumping Mraz.
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Was Toronto even in on Hagel? The only name I remember hearing from the Blackhawks was Fleury.

Mess said:
That's all fine and dandy ..

However this is a Matthew Knies thread and I'm failing to see how this impacts him negatively.

Since Toronto still owns his rights that means they like him and refused to trade him, and what would it matter if 10 teams leaked their interest in acquiring Knies in trade, as that from his perspective means he must be a good prospect if demand and interest is high and that is good thing not a bad thing.
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How do you not understand that Dubas was angry that the Kyle Davidson said to the Chicago media that they wanted Knies when talking to Toronto about trading Fleury to the Leafs.

When have you seen a GM no matter the team publicly say we wanted this player and that trade never happened.
 
Jimmy Firecracker said:
Robertson’s continued injury trouble and Amirov’s unfortunate and unfair medical diagnosis makes Knies even more untouchable than he already was. Leafs trade Knies and we’ll virtually have nothing in terms of potential scoring prospects in the system.
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It sucks about Robertson's injury and Amirov's cancer diagnoses. However, that's a great point because if both were on the team and playing right now, maybe it makes Knies more tradeable. Instead, he becomes more valuable from a prospect in the system.
 
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Aashir Mallick said:
I feel some fans overrate him. At the end of the day he is pacing for a ppg on a team with Logan Cooley and another first round pick named Snuggerud

his production from last year to this year hasn’t gotten any better, even though his linemates have(assuming he plays with the two mentioned above). I get he is physical and a big guy, but he should be producing better than that with his role

If we could deal him for a top 6 winger with 3 or more years, I’d consider doing it because firstly, I don’t see this guy being as good as some project and second, he probably takes 2-3 years before actually peaking
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Worth noting his goal scoring (which is his main strength offensively) has taken a step forward. He's scoring at a .54 per game rate, last season he was at a .45 rate
 
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LeafsNation75 said:
Was Toronto even in on Hagel? The only name I remember hearing from the Blackhawks was Fleury.
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REJECTED Leafs & Blackhawks Trade For Marc-Andre Fleury + Brandon Hagel (Petr Mrazek, Matthew Knies)​


Let's go over Darren Dreger's Twitter thread from yesterday, highlighting how the the Toronto Maple Leafs and Chicago Blackhawks had discussed a trade involving Marc-Andre Fleury, Brandon Hagel, Petr Mrazek, prospect Matthew Knies, and draft picks. Ultimately, the trade did not end up getting done.

 
Mess said:

REJECTED Leafs & Blackhawks Trade For Marc-Andre Fleury + Brandon Hagel (Petr Mrazek, Matthew Knies)​


Let's go over Darren Dreger's Twitter thread from yesterday, highlighting how the the Toronto Maple Leafs and Chicago Blackhawks had discussed a trade involving Marc-Andre Fleury, Brandon Hagel, Petr Mrazek, prospect Matthew Knies, and draft picks. Ultimately, the trade did not end up getting done.

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Dreger is only using Knies name because it got leaked by Davidson.

Do you honestly think he would have any of that information if not for that? Since Dave Nonis got fired he hasn't had many inside reports from the Leafs in terms of possible trades.
 
Media always uses the biggest name Leafs prospect for clicks. It would have to be an absolutely incredible trade for the Leafs to be willing to move Knies before we get a look at him in the NHL. He’s got a very compelling set of tools, and people always seem to forget that power forwards take a bit longer to develop. Frankly, we shouldn’t move him before he’s 24.

Dubas moves prospects for good players, but he’s held our best prospects.
 
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LeafGrief said:
Media always uses the biggest name Leafs prospect for clicks. It would have to be an absolutely incredible trade for the Leafs to be willing to move Knies before we get a look at him in the NHL. He’s got a very compelling set of tools, and people always seem to forget that power forwards take a bit longer to develop. Frankly, we shouldn’t move him before he’s 24.

Dubas moves prospects for good players, but he’s held our best prospects.
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I remember when he made the trade for Jake Muzzin, he still held onto Sandin and Liljegren who were considered their best prospects at that time.
 
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REJECTED Leafs & Blackhawks Trade For Marc-Andre Fleury + Brandon Hagel (Petr Mrazek, Matthew Knies)​


Let's go over Darren Dreger's Twitter thread from yesterday, highlighting how the the Toronto Maple Leafs and Chicago Blackhawks had discussed a trade involving Marc-Andre Fleury, Brandon Hagel, Petr Mrazek, prospect Matthew Knies, and draft picks. Ultimately, the trade did not end up getting done.

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And key phrase at.the bottom "Toronto declined based on the futures involved"
 
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Mess said:
That's all fine and dandy ..

However this is a Matthew Knies thread and I'm failing to see how this impacts him negatively.

Since Toronto still owns his rights that means they like him and refused to trade him, and what would it matter if 10 teams leaked their interest in acquiring Knies in trade, as that from his perspective means he must be a good prospect if demand and interest is high and that is good thing not a bad thing.

The only way Knies could be upset/offended is if it was the Leafs shopping him and that news got leaked because then it shows him his current team is willing to trade him away in the right deal.
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It doesn’t impact Knies at all
 
Menzinger said:
And key phrase at.the bottom "Toronto declined based on the futures involved"
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I seriously worry about his posts. He just proved himself 100 %wrong and he can't understand it.

Knies was never in the trade. That just shows it for the 300000th time.
 
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LeafsNation75 said:
Was Toronto even in on Hagel? The only name I remember hearing from the Blackhawks was Fleury.


How do you not understand that Dubas was angry that the Kyle Davidson said to the Chicago media that they wanted Knies when talking to Toronto about trading Fleury to the Leafs.

When have you seen a GM no matter the team publicly say we wanted this player and that trade never happened.
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Yes, but I cannot remember which insider mentioned it. Possibly CJ.
 
Menzinger said:
Worth noting his goal scoring (which is his main strength offensively) has taken a step forward. He's scoring at a .54 per game rate, last season he was at a .45 rate
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Fair enough, I just expect more from him considering the highlights I’ve watched of him and the situation he is in

I’m fine waiting it out with him, but I do think if a package arises which gets us a very good first liner with term, that dubas should pull the trigger on it

For example, a poster said Buchnevich, which I think I would do if the cost wasn’t insane

Buchnevich is only 27 signed for 2.5 years. He’s around a nylander level production and has been alright production in the playoffs. He can also pk

If we can package Knies into a top line LW, otherwise holding on to him and seeing him develop into a good top 6 LW with grit isnt the half bad either
 
therealkoho said:
Yeah I suppose it's possible, but looking at a "hilight" that got posted to Twitter very recently, a hilight of a practically end to end rush that he put in the net, great rush and finish btw. Unless everyone on the ice is bigger than average, Knies did not stand out as being a bigger guy than the rest. Whereas the Matthews who is also listed at 6'3" but actually looks it compared to the opponents, as did McMann the other night listed at 6'2"

I'm not saying that there is no way he's that big, I'm just saying that for a guy that big he doesn't really look it.
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Agree and it might have to do with his skating style, he’s pretty hunched over, no?
 
I think people are going to be real disappointed, this kid won't come in and make any impact. Maybe by year 3.
 
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