Matthew Knies, do not trade this kid.

[LeafsNation75]

Dubas will trade anyone at this point…1st round picks, blue chip prospects, anyone! He is desperate and knows he is out if the team does not have success this post season.

Since Dubas got pissed off at Kyle Davidson for leaking Knies name when it was rumored how the Leafs wanted Marc-Andre Fleury before last year's trade deadline, do you really think he would trade Knies this year? Now if it's for Patrick Kane that might be the only player who I would consider thinking about it, however I would also be very hesitant to include him.

 

[hullsy47]

Just because the Leafs are a contending team now doesn't mean we should go nuts and mortage the future especially when we're talking about possibly trading away the kind of player that we've been looking for a long time.

Some Leafs fans - we need a forward with size and skill, we've been lacking that for a long time
Dubas - alright done
Also some Leafs fans - lets trade that guy away because we need to win NOW!

Fast forward to next season if the Leafs don't win the cup:

Some Leafs fans - why was Dubas so stupid to trade away one of our best prospects to go all in? FIRE HIS A$$ ALREADY!!

Seriously Dubas can't win either way. Some fans want him to go 'all in' and others just want the Leafs to improve their lineup abit without going nuts in trading future assets away. Whatever he does some people are going to be pissed.

I said it before and I'll say it again in that I don't understand why some people are so willing to trade good prospects away before they even play for the Leafs. If some Leafs fans had their way, Liljegren would be playing for the Habs, Kings or another team by now with how many who wanted to trade him away a couple of years ago. How dumb would that look and how big a hole would that create on the Leafs defense now without him? Have some people STILL not learned yet that it often pays to be patient and not make rash decisions that involve our good prospects?

U only trade him for a player with term coming back
The leafs will be bunched in a group of about 7 teams with legit Stanley cup aspirations
Time for the coach to maybe outcoach someone
Brad Marchand hit it on the head
It's time for the leafs
Well maybe we get outcoached

 

[Hellcat]

When are GM's going to figure out TDL deals almost never ever help a team win the cup but almost always handicap their team down the road? How much better would we look right now if we kept all those early picks and prospects? You traded years of control for weeks/months of control. It's like paying the full purchase price for a car financing it for 60 months but only being allowed to use the car for 2months before you have to give it back.

Dubas and Shanny had a belief that if we kept our pending UFA's the team would grow from the experience of a playoff run. Looking back at the last 4 years, how did that strategy work out for the Leafs? Asset management has been the most disappointing thing in Dubas tenure as a GM. If we had traded Gardiner, Bozak, JVR, Andersen, etc.. how much better would the team look today?

I get I'm saying this with hindsight but that is the point, hindsight tells us that keeping OwnRentals and trading away early picks and prospects does not help you win the Cup.

 

[ACC1224]

Since Dubas got pissed off at Kyle Davidson for leaking Knies name when it was rumored how the Leafs wanted Marc-Andre Fleury before last year's trade deadline, do you really think he would trade Knies this year? Now if it's for Patrick Kane that might be the only player who I would consider thinking about it, however I would also be very hesitant to include him.

I would think one thing has nothing to do with the other.

 

[WilliamInLondon]

Don’t trade this kid!

Agree. looks like a solid middle-six guy on an affordable contract who plays a well-rounded game.

Having said that...what would HFBoards be without bonkers trade proposals lol?

To VAN:
- Matt Knies
- 2023 1st Round Pick
- condition 2024 2nd Round Pick (turns to a 1st if the Leafs make the ECF)
- Alex Steeves
- Aston-Reese and Jordie Benn (to balance the cap)

To TOR:
- Schenn
- Kuzmenko

Do you do it?

 

[ULF_55]

As the GM we have to assume he has autonomy to make any move he wants.

And as an experienced NHL executive, now, he isn't going to put himself above the team and make any move that would look bad/selfish on his Resume.

What is the value of a 28th.-31st. pick?

My guess, he has prospects that have greater value than a 30th. overall pick.

 

[ULF_55]

Agree. looks like a solid middle-six guy on an affordable contract who plays a well-rounded game.

Having said that...what would HFBoards be without bonkers trade proposals lol?

To VAN:
- Matt Knies
- 2023 1st Round Pick
- condition 2024 2nd Round Pick (turns to a 1st if the Leafs make the ECF)
- Alex Steeves
- Aston-Reese and Jordie Benn (to balance the cap)

To TOR:
- Schenn
- Kuzmenko

Do you do it?

Minor adjustment to the proposal.

condition 2024 2nd Round Pick (turns to a 1st if the Leafs make the ECF)
for
Kuzmenko

 

[ACC1224]

Agree. looks like a solid middle-six guy on an affordable contract who plays a well-rounded game.

Having said that...what would HFBoards be without bonkers trade proposals lol?

To VAN:
- Matt Knies
- 2023 1st Round Pick
- condition 2024 2nd Round Pick (turns to a 1st if the Leafs make the ECF)
- Alex Steeves
- Aston-Reese and Jordie Benn (to balance the cap)

To TOR:
- Schenn
- Kuzmenko

Do you do it?

Was this meant for the Vancouver board?
No Leaf fan would do this.

 

[Notsince67]

Big frame, physical, soft hands, defensively responsible and an nhl release

Don’t trade this kid!

Caveat...if Arizona gets Bedard but they want a homegrown star, they can always trade him for Knies

 

[horner]

Agree. looks like a solid middle-six guy on an affordable contract who plays a well-rounded game.

Having said that...what would HFBoards be without bonkers trade proposals lol?

To VAN:
- Matt Knies
- 2023 1st Round Pick
- condition 2024 2nd Round Pick (turns to a 1st if the Leafs make the ECF)
- Alex Steeves
- Aston-Reese and Jordie Benn (to balance the cap)

To TOR:
- Schenn
- Kuzmenko

Do you do it?

No
Kuzmenko will be a UFA after this season it will cost 5 mil minimum

Vancouver i think would Love it

 

[Nineteen67]

Stating the obvious, but they’ll have to ask themselves how many rounds they believe they can win if they stand Pat, and how many rounds they believe they can win If they make a few trades.

Personally, with the current roster and playoff matchups I think they’need a lot of things to fall into place in order win more than one round.

 

[Mess]

Since Dubas got pissed off at Kyle Davidson for leaking Knies name when it was rumored how the Leafs wanted Marc-Andre Fleury before last year's trade deadline, do you really think he would trade Knies this year? Now if it's for Patrick Kane that might be the only player who I would consider thinking about it, however I would also be very hesitant to include him.

I see it the complete opposite.

If he was willing to trade Knies in the past, there would be nothing stopping him from attempting to do it again this trade deadline, if it was for an NHL player he thought improved the Leafs playoff chances.

If Knies was untouchable then we wouldn't have had confirmation he was included in a trade proposal in the past.

Dubas personal grief with Chicago's GM in the past, doesn't make Knies untouchable as a result, perhaps only not available to Chicago. IMO

 

[ULF_55]

I see it the complete opposite.

If he was willing to trade Knies in the past, there would be nothing stopping him from attempting to do it again this trade deadline, if it was for an NHL player he thought improved the Leafs playoff chances.

If Knies was untouchable then we wouldn't have had confirmation he was included in a trade proposal in the past.

Dubas personal grief with Chicago's GM in the past, doesn't make Knies untouchable as a result, perhaps only not available to Chicago. IMO

I thought Knies was an ask?

 

[Menzinger]

I see it the complete opposite.

If he was willing to trade Knies in the past, there would be nothing stopping him from attempting to do it again this trade deadline, if it was for an NHL player he thought improved the Leafs playoff chances.

If Knies was untouchable then we wouldn't have had confirmation he was included in a trade proposal in the past.

Dubas personal grief with Chicago's GM in the past, doesn't make Knies untouchable as a result, perhaps only not available to Chicago. IMO

Depends on who included him. It seems as if the Hawks wanted him as part of the deal, which contributed to the leafs backing out of the negotiations

We've since had other media people claim Knies is basically untouchable from the Leafs pov.

 

[ACC1224]

I see it the complete opposite.

If he was willing to trade Knies in the past, there would be nothing stopping him from attempting to do it again this trade deadline, if it was for an NHL player he thought improved the Leafs playoff chances.

If Knies was untouchable then we wouldn't have had confirmation he was included in a trade proposal in the past.

Dubas personal grief with Chicago's GM in the past, doesn't make Knies untouchable as a result, perhaps only not available to Chicago. IMO

I'll pile on with the others and say I don't think that bolded part is correct.

 

[kb]

I see it the complete opposite.

If he was willing to trade Knies in the past, there would be nothing stopping him from attempting to do it again this trade deadline, if it was for an NHL player he thought improved the Leafs playoff chances.

If Knies was untouchable then we wouldn't have had confirmation he was included in a trade proposal in the past.

Dubas personal grief with Chicago's GM in the past, doesn't make Knies untouchable as a result, perhaps only not available to Chicago. IMO

Knies was never in the trade, the lowlife Chicago GM leaked that he wanted Knies in the deal. Dubas shut it down and basically told him to keep his yap shut. Like a GM should do when another GM is being a moron.

 

[Dekes For Days]

If he was willing to trade Knies in the past

Nothing has ever indicated that that is the case.

If Knies was untouchable then we wouldn't have had confirmation he was included in a trade proposal in the past.

We don't. We have reports that Chicago wanted him in a trade that never happened. That does not equate to us being willing to trade him.

 

[Peace Frog]

I’m sure Dubas has had plenty of discussions with other GM’s who brought up Knies. Doubt those discussions continued with him still in the mix.

I’m not saying that Knies is absolutely untouchable, but I doubt Dubas intends on including him in a trade, unless it’s a no brainer.

With the Chicago discussions, it seems as though their GM brought up that he wanted Knies. Dubas was ticked that any details were leaked; as he should be! But from what I recall, Dubas did not offer up Knies in any deal.

 

[LeafSteel]

I don't see Dubas in black and white as it pertains to trades. He's won some and lost some, just like every other GM.

I've liked some of what he's done (prudent pick-ups such as Timmins) and hated some of what he's done (Kadri trade, exposing McCann at ED, Malgin/Marchment, Foligno).

I will say that if Knies is traded, I will legitimately lose my shit, particularly if it's for a UFA.

Over-hype be damned, we absolutely have no one like this kid projects, and we haven't for a very long time. He is absolutely a non-starter in a trade. You look at everything our team screams out for (not physical enough, power forward, top 6 LW), this kid has the potential to fill. He may already be more suited for NHL action than any of our top Prospects, including Robertson.

He has to be someone we bring in the fold as soon as his collegiate year is over, and if he needs time on the Marlies next year (which is fully expected and understandable) so be it, but this is a kid that we have to have in our pipeline. If he reaches his potential, on a desperately needed low cost ELC, you cannot piss this kid away.

Move Robertson before you move Knies. Dubas needs to walk away from requests for him.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Big frame, physical, soft hands, defensively responsible and an nhl release

Don’t trade this kid!

That goal is absolute brutal play by both D and G .. so many house league errors I won't even detail them .. and really nothing special on skill side by attacker either .. bottom line this is ncaa no hit hockey which is not OHL or minor pro type hockey which is played in da show .. i would read nothing at all into that play but horrific defense and tending

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

When are GM's going to figure out TDL deals almost never ever help a team win the cup but almost always handicap their team down the road? How much better would we look right now if we kept all those early picks and prospects? You traded years of control for weeks/months of control. It's like paying the full purchase price for a car financing it for 60 months but only being allowed to use the car for 2months before you have to give it back.

Dubas and Shanny had a belief that if we kept our pending UFA's the team would grow from the experience of a playoff run. Looking back at the last 4 years, how did that strategy work out for the Leafs? Asset management has been the most disappointing thing in Dubas tenure as a GM. If we had traded Gardiner, Bozak, JVR, Andersen, etc.. how much better would the team look today?

I get I'm saying this with hindsight but that is the point, hindsight tells us that keeping OwnRentals and trading away early picks and prospects does not help you win the Cup.

Dubas is not responsible for the two bolded players not being dealt for assets.

 

[Aashir]

I feel some fans overrate him. At the end of the day he is pacing for a ppg on a team with Logan Cooley and another first round pick named Snuggerud

his production from last year to this year hasn’t gotten any better, even though his linemates have(assuming he plays with the two mentioned above). I get he is physical and a big guy, but he should be producing better than that with his role

If we could deal him for a top 6 winger with 3 or more years, I’d consider doing it because firstly, I don’t see this guy being as good as some project and second, he probably takes 2-3 years before actually peaking

 

[LeafSteel]

That goal is absolute brutal play by both D and G .. so many house league errors I won't even detail them .. and really nothing special on skill side by attacker either .. bottom line this is ncaa no hit hockey which is not OHL or minor pro type hockey which is played in da show .. i would read nothing at all into that play but horrific defense and tending

So we are to completely ignore the IQ, instincts, and skill-set displayed here by Knies because of the talent level of the opponents?

Classic glass half-full vs half-empty scenario.

The only way to answer it is to see what he turns into, which won't happen next week, next month, or next year, and I would much rather that it happens for us than for some other team that he's traded to.

 

[Jozay]

I feel some fans overrate him. At the end of the day he is pacing for a ppg on a team with Logan Cooley and another first round pick named Snuggerud

his production from last year to this year hasn’t gotten any better, even though his linemates have(assuming he plays with the two mentioned above). I get he is physical and a big guy, but he should be producing better than that with his role

If we could deal him for a top 6 winger with 3 or more years, I’d consider doing it because firstly, I don’t see this guy being as good as some project and second, he probably takes 2-3 years before actually peaking

Naturally he's overrated on this board, but he still should provide a fair bit of surplus value for the leafs on his elc.

 

[LeafsNation75]

I would think one thing has nothing to do with the other.

You would be right sincewDubas trade Mrazek to the Blackhawks at last years draft.

I see it the complete opposite.

If he was willing to trade Knies in the past, there would be nothing stopping him from attempting to do it again this trade deadline, if it was for an NHL player he thought improved the Leafs playoff chances.

If Knies was untouchable then we wouldn't have had confirmation he was included in a trade proposal in the past.

Dubas personal grief with Chicago's GM in the past, doesn't make Knies untouchable as a result, perhaps only not available to Chicago. IMO

It was obvious that the Blackhawks asked for him and he was a non starter, so they Kyle Davidson tried to make Dubas look bad in that situation and failed.