Matthew Knies, do not trade this kid.

[hamzarocks]

I'd trade him right now for a mid 20s goal scoring winger(ideally LW) with term

A guy like Tom Wilson, Adrian Kempe or Travis Konency

 

[the squared circle]

Best case, Kreider?
Worst case, Biggs?

Thank you

 

[Niagara Bill]

Make any trade that gets us a CUP. That is the only goal!

 

[kb]

I'd trade him right now for a mid 20s goal scoring winger(ideally LW) with term

A guy like Tom Wilson, Adrian Kempe or Travis Konency

Not in a million years.

Make any trade that gets us a CUP. That is the only goal!

If it was that simple as to just trade for a cup, every team would do it.

Oh wait....

 

[34]

Dubas will trade anyone at this point…1st round picks, blue chip prospects, anyone! He is desperate and knows he is out if the team does not have success this post season.

 

[Menzinger]

Anyone in the NHL you can compare him to, to give me an idea of what his projection should/could be?
Lest we forget, since I have been on these forums, the hype surrounding our prospects is always off the charts.

Probably somebody like Kreider. His potential is essentially a top six goal scoring power forward.

The hype around Knies isn't just contained to Leafs fans too, so I wouldn't worry there. He's a big deal among NCAA/Team USA development people too.

 

[kb]

Dubas will trade anyone at this point…1st round picks, blue chip prospects, anyone! He is desperate and knows he is out if the team does not have success this post season.

Actually, if you cared to channel reality.....he does pretty much the opposite of everything you have claimed.

But please.....don't ever let reality ever get in your way.

 

[hamzarocks]

@kb

Have to respond like this as for some reaso HF on my phone is giving huge spaces when I respond to someon

I don't see knies as a core level player. He's going to be a 30 goal guy at his peak

We are contending now and the only missing piece is a a Legit goal scoring LW

We held onto Robertson way to long and his values diminished since his D+1 year.

We can't be making the same mistake with knies.

Knies isn't a guy who will be impacting our cup chances much on his ELC. He'll be developing into a scoring power forward on his ELC. There will be ups and downs along the way.

The leafs are contenders right now, this year and next being two key chances at the cup.

Getting a guy like Konency (likely better than Knies will ever be), Wilson (one of the few legit Power forwards who can tilt a game), Kempe (bit of a lower end target but has skill and can step on any line) helps give us scoring outside of the big 4, who are not able to produce enough in the 1st round.

Konecny, Wilson, Kempe, Buchnevich (another high end target) are guys that you target and move Knies + 1st (for 3 of the 4, not Kempe, he shouldn't cost another 1st).

They can turn our offense around and complete the team

 

[Niagara Bill]

Not in a million years.


If it was that simple as to just trade for a cup, every team would do it.

Oh wait....

Oh yes...Andy Bathgate, Red Kelly....and since then only trade that came close was for Dougie.
Others have been successful.

 

[HockeyVirus]

@kb

Have to respond like this as for some reaso HF on my phone is giving huge spaces when I respond to someon

I don't see knies as a core level player. He's going to be a 30 goal guy at his peak

We are contending now and the only missing piece is a a Legit goal scoring LW

We held onto Robertson way to long and his values diminished since his D+1 year.

We can't be making the same mistake with knies.

Knies isn't a guy who will be impacting our cup chances much on his ELC. He'll be developing into a scoring power forward on his ELC. There will be ups and downs along the way.

The leafs are contenders right now, this year and next being two key chances at the cup.

Getting a guy like Konency (likely better than Knies will ever be), Wilson (one of the few legit Power forwards who can tilt a game), Kempe (bit of a lower end target but has skill and can step on any line) helps give us scoring outside of the big 4, who are not able to produce enough in the 1st round.

Konecny, Wilson, Kempe, Buchnevich (another high end target) are guys that you target and move Knies + 1st (for 3 of the 4, not Kempe, he shouldn't cost another 1st).

They can turn our offense around and complete the team

If we go out in round 1 again this will be a trade that we as fans regret for the rest of his career. That is why we can't move him.

 

[hamzarocks]

If we go out in round 1 again this will be a trade that we as fans regret for the rest of his career. That is why we can't move him.

Those are all players with Term, so multiple playoff runs

Buch for instance is a Nylander-level player ( a bit worse but on a beauty deal).

He gives us 3 playoff runs (2023, 2024, and 2025).

The Bolts took these risks and won 2 cups and made 3 finals.

Goodrow, Coleman, Hagel, were all deals where they overpaid on value but got multiple playoff runs for pieces who contemplated their roster and helped cap off on an elite core.

Ideally, we trade Knies + 2023 1st for Buchnevich and then Niemela + 2024 1st + Voit for Ekholm@50%.

We have probably the clear-cut best team for the next 3 years after those moves.

 

[Maple Leaf]

 

[the squared circle]

Probably somebody like Kreider. His potential is essentially a top six goal scoring power forward.

The hype around Knies isn't just contained to Leafs fans too, so I wouldn't worry there. He's a big deal among NCAA/Team USA development people too.

Thank you

 

[horner]

Very excited for this player, we definitely can't trade him for a short term rental.

But for the sake of this kid, don't expect him to go Wendel Clark 1993 playoffs as he makes his debut this spring. Chances are there will be an adjustment period and he won't look like Auston Matthews on steroids the first go round. But it is definitely exciting that he may be a future core player.

Start him on the 4th line

 

[D00bis]

My original post wasn’t pretending like this kid is a “saviour” or answer to the leafs problems but he’s the kind of LW we are seriously lacking for a few years now. I feel like with his specific skill set he can help now and in the future and I don’t want another foligno situation

 

[horner]

Make any trade that gets us a CUP. That is the only goal!

We haven't won a round yet.
If we had went to the finals last yr then yes.

Remer turnover machine get that out of our game first.

Those are all players with Term, so multiple playoff runs

Buch for instance is a Nylander-level player ( a bit worse but on a beauty deal).

He gives us 3 playoff runs (2023, 2024, and 2025).

The Bolts took these risks and won 2 cups and made 3 finals.

Goodrow, Coleman, Hagel, were all deals where they overpaid on value but got multiple playoff runs for pieces who contemplated their roster and helped cap off on an elite core.

Ideally, we trade Knies + 2023 1st for Buchnevich and then Niemela + 2024 1st + Voit for Ekholm@50%.

We have probably the clear-cut best team for the next 3 years after those moves.

Because they had won multiple playoff round we haven't won one.

 

[Peace Frog]

Anyone in the NHL you can compare him to, to give me an idea of what his projection should/could be?
Lest we forget, since I have been on these forums, the hype surrounding our prospects is always off the charts.

Maybe something like a Lawson Crouse?

 

[29Potvin]

Dubas will trade anyone at this point…1st round picks, blue chip prospects, anyone! He is desperate and knows he is out if the team does not have success this post season.

He could also walk after a long Leafs playoff run or cup win

 

[the squared circle]

Maybe something like a Lawson Crouse?

Thanks

 

[Fonzieleaf]

Proposal:

to NYI: Matthew Knies, and a Bucket of Chicken

to TOR: 3 X 1st round picks (2023, 2024, and 2026), and Future Considerations

NYI has to know where the bucket of chicken is from. They won't give away 3 1st rounders for some second rate crap!

 

[darrylsittler27]

Thank you

Biggs was never as good as Knies, he was tough so Burke grabbed him.

Biggs was never as good as Knies, he was tough so Burke grabbed him.

I think Crouse and Knies would up our game dynamic

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Shouldn't Holl be included there, I think there's a poster or 2 or 3 that are demanding we trade the dman with the best defensive numbers on the team, but apparently also the dman with the world's worst publicist.

Whut?

 

[The Iceman]

In my mind I have Knies as a Anthony Mantha type.
25 goals and 50 points at a peak without a ton of PP.

 

[cipher]

This kid will not be traded at the deadline and he will be playing for this team in the near future.

What he offers in his game (big body, some physical presence, nice shot/hands) is a package this team doesn't posses, or hasn't had in a long time, and pair this with a cheap entry level contract that will fit nicely in our cap it's almost a certainty he's going nowhere.

 

[GQS]

@kb

The leafs are contenders right now, this year and next being two key chances at the cup.

Getting a guy like Konency (likely better than Knies will ever be), Wilson (one of the few legit Power forwards who can tilt a game), Kempe (bit of a lower end target but has skill and can step on any line) helps give us scoring outside of the big 4, who are not able to produce enough in the 1st round.

Konecny, Wilson, Kempe, Buchnevich (another high end target) are guys that you target and move Knies + 1st (for 3 of the 4, not Kempe, he shouldn't cost another 1st).

They can turn our offense around and complete the team

Just because the Leafs are a contending team now doesn't mean we should go nuts and mortage the future especially when we're talking about possibly trading away the kind of player that we've been looking for a long time.

Some Leafs fans - we need a forward with size and skill, we've been lacking that for a long time
Dubas - alright done
Also some Leafs fans - lets trade that guy away because we need to win NOW!

Fast forward to next season if the Leafs don't win the cup:

Some Leafs fans - why was Dubas so stupid to trade away one of our best prospects to go all in? FIRE HIS A$$ ALREADY!!

Seriously Dubas can't win either way. Some fans want him to go 'all in' and others just want the Leafs to improve their lineup abit without going nuts in trading future assets away. Whatever he does some people are going to be pissed.

I said it before and I'll say it again in that I don't understand why some people are so willing to trade good prospects away before they even play for the Leafs. If some Leafs fans had their way, Liljegren would be playing for the Habs, Kings or another team by now with how many who wanted to trade him away a couple of years ago. How dumb would that look and how big a hole would that create on the Leafs defense now without him? Have some people STILL not learned yet that it often pays to be patient and not make rash decisions that involve our good prospects?