Matt Murray

[saltming]

The goalie with whom I have been the most impressed is Kevin Woodley After the trade last summer he gave a detailed analysis of Murray, (and a less detailed one on Samsonov), on both TSN and Sportsnet. Woodley provided a great deal of insight into why Murray had struggled and why he was optimistic for his future.

If you can find the podcasts, they are well worth a listen.

I posted it back at the beginning of this thread somewhere

 

[Canada4Gold]

There were Toronto fans that felt at that time of the trade that (whether Murray succeeds or not), Toronto did not extract enough in terms or retention and or picks.

I wonder if they have changed their position?

I view it now the same way I viewed the Nylander contract. At the time he was signed we likely paid above RFA market value. That being said he's clearly worth it, it's just a little annoying we didn't save as much as some other teams did(Boston - Pastrnak being the best example).

At the time of the Murray trade I wasn't down on the potential it could end up working out great for us. However looking at the market value of similar trades we probably didn't get enough for it to be "fair", but the way it's working out accepting the "unfair" offer has so far turned out better than saying no and getting nothing if Ottawa decided to buy in out. Similar to how Nylander sitting out the year would have been worse than just biting the bullet on a very tiny RFA market overpay(though he's clearly worth 6.9)

 

[Petrus]

I posted it back at the beginning of this thread somewhere

Is it this one?

Woodley on the newest tandem of Murray and Samsonov and their journey in the NHL

Writer for InGoal Magazine Kevin Woodley joins Leafs Lunch on Free Agent Frenzy to discuss the Maple Leafs' newest goaltender Matt Murray, his tenure with the Pittsburgh Penguins and Ottawa Senators, the recent acquisition of Ilya Samsonov and how the tandem with Murray will perform in Toronto...

www.tsn.ca

 

[Coaches Coroner]

I was convinced this was a stop gap because the options were poor and that Scuby was playing 4D chess with the intention of Robidas Islanding his ass, and then using the cap for either a new goalie or player via trade (if other goalies like Samsonov stepped up)...when he got injured I was convinced the plan was being carried out...instead he's just been solid. I don't love how he looks in there sometimes but he's not as floppy and prone to meltdown as Jack so far.

 

[ChickenMcNugget]

He's playing well but Murray has been 0.900 sv% for the last 3 years. Dude has also gone through multiple concussions.

I wish him to be the best in the league but people should not be hyping him up lol.

Lets not forget that Campbell was an all star this time last year.

 

[The Iceman]

That would keep the AAV down

Another option could be if Murray continues to play well you trade him with a year left on his deal and use that money to sign the younger guy longer term if he continues to play well

I'd be willing to take on some risk if Kallgren and Woll can be .900 goaltenders as our #3-#4

We've shown we can win with that

But we can't win in the playoffs with a .900.

Wall needs a little growth and PT,
Kallgren is about .894 in 24 NHL games and is older than Samsonov.
A decent #4 but we need Wall to get healthy and be that solid #3

 

[Kiwi]

But we can't win in the playoffs with a .900.

Wall needs a little growth and PT,
Kallgren is about .894 in 24 NHL games and is older than Samsonov.
A decent #4 but we need Wall to get healthy and be that solid #3

No but it's ok in the regular season, I think both of those guys are fine as our #3-#4
Not many #3-#4 goaltenders are going to give you .900+ type levels of goaltending over any extended amount of time

Let's be honest, if you're top 2 goaltenders go down in the playoffs your screwed no matter who your #3-#4G is

 

[francis246]

He's playing well but Murray has been 0.900 sv% for the last 3 years. Dude has also gone through multiple concussions.

I wish him to be the best in the league but people should not be hyping him up lol.

Lets not forget that Campbell was an all star this time last year.

The difference is Matt Murray has the pedigree. His play isn’t some new revelation or new found play. This is how he was playing pre injury. Injuries have set him back and not to mention Ottawa was complete trash.

Jack Campbell did not have the same type of cache at the pro level and we are seeing Edmonton made a huge mistake signing him to a long term deal. I don’t know how they are going to get out of that contract.

 

[Enga Olly]

Murray is playing great right now, hope it continues and he stays healthy. I'm not drawing any conclusions until the end of the PO

 

[saltming]

Is it this one?

Woodley on the newest tandem of Murray and Samsonov and their journey in the NHL

Writer for InGoal Magazine Kevin Woodley joins Leafs Lunch on Free Agent Frenzy to discuss the Maple Leafs' newest goaltender Matt Murray, his tenure with the Pittsburgh Penguins and Ottawa Senators, the recent acquisition of Ilya Samsonov and how the tandem with Murray will perform in Toronto...

www.tsn.ca

That's the one.
Very technical and looking to be accurate atm.
I like the props he gives to Sanford

 

[Petrus]

That's the one.
Very technical and looking to be accurate atm.
I like the props he gives to Sanford

I had an opportunity to listen to some of Woodley’s other podcast.

Woodley speaks in detail about Goalies needing to adjust constantly because the style of play changes all the time (whether it is the teams or players themselves ).

Adjusting takes time and the goalies that tweak their game constantly are the ones that have longevity. This is why (according to Woodley) we see so much volatility in the goalie performance year after year.

Woodley said Woll is a type of goalie that always tinkers with his game which is a good sign of future success.

In the podcast above, He felt Murray made his adjustments year 1 in Ottawa but it was derailed because a recommended treatment plan by the medical staff in Ottawa caused additional injury.

But now that Murray is in Toronto he thinks the question remaining for Murray is whether has he gotten over injuries that may limit his ability to perform.

So much insight from Woodley on Campbell too. He says one of Campbell’s issues (beyond his mental state) is his soft pads and unwilling to change them.

Really impressed with Woodley’s podcast!

 

[ACC1224]

I had an opportunity to listen to some of Woodley’s other podcast.

Woodley speaks in detail about Goalies needing to adjust constantly because the style of play changes all the time (whether it is the teams or players themselves ).

Adjusting takes time and the goalies that tweak their game constantly are the ones that have longevity. This is why (according to Woodley) we see so much volatility in the goalie performance year after year.

Woodley said Woll is a type of goalie that always tinkers with his game which is a good sign of future success.

In the podcast above, He felt Murray made his adjustments year 1 in Ottawa but it was derailed because a recommended treatment plan by the medical staff in Ottawa caused additional injury.

But now that Murray is in Toronto he thinks the question remaining for Murray is whether has he gotten over injuries that may limit his ability to perform.

So much insight from Woodley on Campbell too. He says one of Campbell’s issues (beyond his mental state) is his soft pads and unwilling to change them.

Really impressed with Woodley’s podcast!

What affect would that have?

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I'm thrilled to be eating some crow here. Samsonov/Murray have shown huge improvements from Campbell/Mrazek. Good grief look at Campbell/Mrazaek's season so far.

Anyway, the season is still young but very happy so far. Gotta give credit, our D and G are doing their jobs well.

 

[Petrus]

What affect would that have?

From what I understood, Woodley’s says Campbell’s pads are very soft and affects two things:

1) puck rebounds closer to the goalie and in higher danger areas

2) goals can dribble in when down low because the pads have too much give.

Woodley estimates that 7 goals ( season 1 with Toronto ) could have been prevented if Campbell used stiffer pads.

He felt Campbell performed well because the Leafs defensive structure limited chances.

 

[ACC1224]

From what I understood, Woodley’s says Campbell’s pads are very soft and affects two things:

1) puck rebounds closer to the goalie and in higher danger areas

2) goals can dribble in when down low because the pads have too much give.

Woodley estimates that 7 goals ( season 1 with Toronto ) could have been prevented if Campbell used stiffer pads.

He felt Campbell performed well because the Leafs defensive structure limited chances.

Thanks. I assumed the first one but didn't consider the second.
I wonder what Campbells logic for wearing them is?

 

[Martin Skoula]

But we can't win in the playoffs with a .900.

Wall needs a little growth and PT,
Kallgren is about .894 in 24 NHL games and is older than Samsonov.
A decent #4 but we need Wall to get healthy and be that solid #3

We can if the goals aren't coming 5 minutes into the 1st period letting the other team play the trap for the rest of the night. As long as he's 1.00% until we're up a pair it's manageable even if he's .890 by the end of the night, we need the other team to have to take chances instead of sitting back clogging lanes until they can force a turnover.

 

[thusk]

He's playing well but Murray has been 0.900 sv% for the last 3 years. Dude has also gone through multiple concussions.

I wish him to be the best in the league but people should not be hyping him up lol.

Lets not forget that Campbell was an all star this time last year.

Murray was 0.916% before ottawa played a totally trash game against arizona ( last game of Murray)

The difference is 1 game were ottawa player was disinterested to put any effort to play defensive

When you overlook stats without how it was happening, its where you made mistake like choosing campbell 5 year over Murray 2 yeat or think he will be an huge upgrade to Mike Smith. Get a goalie who struggle a lot with puck tracking and control rebound but with good stats because of the team in front making a great job.

 

[Petrus]

Thanks. I assumed the first one but didn't consider the second.

I wonder what Campbells logic for wearing them is?

Woodley says, Campbell’s has historically used softer pads and tried to use stiffer ones in Dallas but experienced poor results.

Dusty Imoo in LA recommended he revert to softer pads and results improved.

I get the sense that Campbell will not change because he achieved better results with softer pads.

 

[Petrus]

Thanks. I assumed the first one but didn't consider the second.
I wonder what Campbells logic for wearing them is?

I forgot if it was game 6 or game 7, but Remember that breakaway goal that dribbled in between Campbell’s pads that gave Tampa Bay 1-0 lead in one of the elimination games?

I am thinking now that goal may not have gone in if Campbell had used stiffer pads.

 

[saltming]

I had an opportunity to listen to some of Woodley’s other podcast.

Woodley speaks in detail about Goalies needing to adjust constantly because the style of play changes all the time (whether it is the teams or players themselves ).

Adjusting takes time and the goalies that tweak their game constantly are the ones that have longevity. This is why (according to Woodley) we see so much volatility in the goalie performance year after year.

Woodley said Woll is a type of goalie that always tinkers with his game which is a good sign of future success.

In the podcast above, He felt Murray made his adjustments year 1 in Ottawa but it was derailed because a recommended treatment plan by the medical staff in Ottawa caused additional injury.

But now that Murray is in Toronto he thinks the question remaining for Murray is whether has he gotten over injuries that may limit his ability to perform.

So much insight from Woodley on Campbell too. He says one of Campbell’s issues (beyond his mental state) is his soft pads and unwilling to change them.

Really impressed with Woodley’s podcast!

Agreed. I follow him too

 

[MAB1]

He's playing well but Murray has been 0.900 sv% for the last 3 years. Dude has also gone through multiple concussions.

I wish him to be the best in the league but people should not be hyping him up lol.

Lets not forget that Campbell was an all star this time last year.

Missed when Campbell started his career as a 2x Cup winner.

All Campbell ever had for him was draft pedigree and playing well in small sample sizes. He's never been THAT guy.

Murray joined a vet team that already won a cup and usurped a HOF goalie on his way to 2x cups.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Thanks. I assumed the first one but didn't consider the second.
I wonder what Campbells logic for wearing them is?

Some goalies will wear a softer style pad because they have a narrow butterfly. A softer pad with knee breaks helps the pad bend more to close the five hole. They also have more bend in the boot

I'm assuming Jack is one of those goalie that is a creature of habit and doesn't like change. The pads he wears are reskinned Vaughn V4'S. So does Quick. Those pads came out in like 2008 or something.

 

[ChickenMcNugget]

Missed when Campbell started his career as a 2x Cup winner.

All Campbell ever had for him was draft pedigree and playing well in small sample sizes. He's never been THAT guy.

Murray joined a vet team that already won a cup and usurped a HOF goalie on his way to 2x cups.

Hmm.. you may be onto something with small sample sizes.

If you think Murray is the same player after going through multiple concussions and several other injuries than i really cant help. I hope for the best but we should temper expectations.

 

[blue stick]

A big congrats on the SO to Matt Murray!

I really like his playing, just seems like a solid vet goalie. Best wishes for him and the Leafs this season.

 

[snipes29]

Matt Murray has been outstanding , if he stays healthy he is legit playing fantastic