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Matt Murray- What would you be willing to give up to get rid of him

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Okay, here's the real problem with Murray. At first I was thinking that he wasn't going to cost much to get rid of, it didn't cost much to bring him here and he's now a year shorter and Ottawa retained. But somehow he's making 8m in salary this year... The Sens are on the hook for 25% of that, but 6m in salary is a lot for teams to swallow on a backup project.

Probably just buy him out unless we work him as a cap dump into a trade. He won't be THAT expensive to move, but I think a buyout makes more sense than anything above a 3rd round pick in terms of dump value.
 
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Dayjobdave said:
The thing about Murray is that he could go on a Bob run in the playoffs, either for us or someone else.
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Is this before of after Hell freezes over, pigs fly and the "Twelfth of Never" will never come to pass?

People said this while Murray was acquired, witnessed 1st hand how terrible the decisions was, and that come playoff time the Leafs didn't even trust Murray but went to a rookie instead to save the year.

It's not happening its over and Murray should simply retire and call it a day, IMO
 
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LeafGrief said:
Okay, here's the real problem with Murray. At first I was thinking that he wasn't going to cost much to get rid of, it didn't cost much to bring him here and he's now a year shorter and Ottawa retained. But somehow he's making 8m in salary this year... The Sens are on the hook for 25% of that, but 6m in salary is a lot for teams to swallow on a backup project.

Probably just buy him out unless we work him as a cap dump into a trade. He won't be THAT expensive to move, but I think a buyout makes more sense than anything above a 3rd round pick in terms of dump value.
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Agreed, his actual salary might make it tough to move him, Leafs would have to carry some salary and if that's the case, might as well just buy him out and not lose any more picks for that 'favor'
 
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Is this before of after Hell freezes over, pigs fly and the "Twelfth of Never" will never come to pass?

People said this while Murray was acquired, witnessed 1st hand how terrible the decisions was, and that come playoff time the Leafs didn't even trust Murray but went to a rookie instead to save the year.

It's not happening its over and Murray should simply retire and call it a day, IMO
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Calling for Murray to retire seems premature as he still played in a decent number of games (albeit at a total that wasn't quite up to par for his cap hit IMO). I'm just of the opinion that the Leafs can't really afford to cast aside either of Samsonov or Woll in order to find out if Murray can rediscover that magic from the Pittsburgh/Cup winning days.
 
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1 year left at $4.6m - you should be able to find a taker for that, with retention. The issue the Leafs have is they don't have much draft capital for a sweetener - just 3 picks in this coming draft.

LTIRing Murray's deal to the moon seems like the smartest play.
 
Trade him to a bottom feeder that is trying to end up last to get the #1 pick. There should be a few.

We'll take a 3rd.
 
To ppl suggesting a buyout, the main issue is that it screws us over in 2024/25:
- Incurs a $687.5 K cap hit this coming year (2023/24)
- Incurs a $2 mil cap hit the year after (2024/25)

And, assuming we re-sign Matthews and Nylander, 2024/25 will be our tightest cap hit year. This coming year, Matthews and Nylander are still on their current deals, but next year they'll get raises, especially Willie (who will get at least a $2 mil raise, probably $3 mil+). Then the year after that (2025/26), cap should be fine, because Tavares' albatross contract ends, but really the big year we have to worry about is 2024/25. Adding to our 2024/25 cap problems is a very bad idea.

If we can't cheaply dump him without retention, dumping with retention is much smarter than a buyout. e.g. if we retained even as much as $2 mil, making him a $2.7 mil cap hit to the team acquiring him (should be able to dump him for nothing at that cap hit), that's still way better than buying him out.
 
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The best solution is a cap dump in a much larger trade for a defenceman. Worst and most likely case, the 2023 BOS 1st.
 
Racer88 said:
Before we totally claim he is not the worst GM, we need to see how the 3 contracts play out. If we lose players for nothing that will be on Dubas for the wasy he structured the team
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Treliving can trade Matthews and marner right now.
Nylander can be traded anytime.

Hold Treliving accountable from the day he was hired.
 
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Seeing that LA had to trade Sean walker, Helge Grans and a 2nd to dump Peterson who's only a year longer. I think we should just LTIR him.
 
If Dubas approaches the Leafs for permission to talk to Pridham and try to convince him to be his Gm sometime in the future, not that Pridham might go, then the Leafs will need to tell Dubas to take on the Murray contract, for the old future considerstions trade first. It's a little bit out there, otherwise no permission.
 
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I believe Tree is better connected than KD was at the time the Marleau move was made. On top of which there may have been some bitterness about Dubas opening up the next round of inflation with his first contract. No lifelines for the new kid but Treliving may have a chit or two in his pocket.

I can't see any way the Boston 1st needs to be in play. A "B" prospect and retention should get it done. And worst case better to buy him out than to lose another high pick to protect this group.
Also they may get around the cost of the fat money owed if they can take a couple of small one way contracts back and bury them but a team with those on the books has to have at least a little interest in what Murray might bring. This will be an interesting fix to follow especially if Murray has the stones to invoke his NTC.
 
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Menzinger said:
If the sign Sammy to a 1-2 year deal at about 3 mil and Woll is the Backup, and they send Murray to the minors they'll actually be spending less on goaltending than they did last season
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I don't know that they would get him on a 1 year deal because this year was his show me contract. 2 years I think would be a win for the club because it gives him time to show last season wasn't a fluke and last playoff wasn't the best he can do. Plus Woll can show he is for real or not and they can decide if they have a #1 goalie or need to keep looking without being married to this years goaltending cost for the long term..

But isn't Murray a $4.687M hit and you can only bury about $1.125M? So they are still sitting on $3.562 from him plus $3M from Samy and $.766 for Woll. That looks like $7.328M next year compared to $6.487 this year so -$840k (feel free to correct my math, I am a boomer). If I am accurate, thats still not a bad number but they have 10 UFA roster spots to fill so they probably need to be $1M better, not $1M worse. They can't really afford to upgrade in salary at all so not much leverage. Even if they could convince Philly to roll the dice on a Hart swap that extra necessary million just isn't there without more outbound assets.

Buyout or trade looks like better economics for the club.
 
ULF_55 said:
Treliving can trade Matthews and marner right now.
Nylander can be traded anytime.

Hold Treliving accountable from the day he was hired.
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Kind of like we should hold Dubas accountable for having to spend a first round pick to get rid of Marleau…….that’s one point.
Let’s say Treliving is forced to trade one or all of those three and it doesn’t work out or he signs them all to massive contracts and it still doesn’t work out. Is it his fault or Dubas’s fault for leaving him with few options with the way he structured the team and their contracts
 
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Mitch nylander said:
Seeing that LA had to trade Sean walker, Helge Grans and a 2nd to dump Peterson who's only a year longer. I think we should just LTIR him.
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Sean Walker was basically a cap dump for them too, a borderline NHLer making a bit too much $$. Helge Grans had a very poor AHL season - he was an early 2nd round pick 3 years ago, but has IMO lost value since, his value is more of a 3rd/4th rounder now.

Also, Cal Petersen has been really, really bad - last year he was .868 at the NHL level, and not even that good in the AHL. Murray is much better, when he plays. In terms of on-ice value, ignoring contracts, I'd say Murray >= Petersen + Walker.

The main piece they gave up is a 2nd round pick, and Grans worth roughly a 3rd/4th. They took on some Provorov salary, but even with that the overall cap impact for them is:
- $5.65 mil cap saved next year
- $3 mil cap saved the year after

So they ditched about twice the cap impact of Murray, and only had to pay a 2nd and a meh prospect (Grans).
 
Prediction: he'll stay, he'll fail the physical at training camp then he'll go to Robidas Island to collect the money from the final year of his contract. There won't be any complaints or anything because he's getting paid $8M by the Leafs and Senators in 2023-24.
 
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justashadowof said:
Prediction: he'll stay, he'll fail the physical at training camp then he'll go to Robidas Island to collect the money from the final year of his contract. There won't be any complaints or anything because he's getting paid $8M by the Leafs and Senators in 2023-24.
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This is the way.
 
Menzinger said:
If the sign Sammy to a 1-2 year deal at about 3 mil and Woll is the Backup, and they send Murray to the minors they'll actually be spending less on goaltending than they did last season
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It's the opportunity cost of not signing a $3.8 million-ish guy you'd otherwise have if there was no Murray contract.
 
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