Matt Murray- What would you be willing to give up to get rid of him

[Mess]

Unfortunately a lot of reports make it seem like we will be unable to LTIR him.

Do we have to give up the 1st for him if so?

Id almost rather just send him to the Marlies until he gets hurt in 10 games and eat the 3 whatever million that isn't buried from the transaction

I wanted to LTIR all season last year already and wrap him bubble wrap.

He played in just 20 games for Ottawa and common sense alone suggested stay far far away.

Leafs got 26 games out of him last year and when they had a chance to play him in the playoffs went with a rookie.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

If we send him to the Marlies, sign Samsonov for $3.5 and have Woll backing up, it's still less money than some teams are paying for their goaltending. I say ride it out and let his hammies explode in preseason

 

[Nineteen67]

Trade nothing.

Wait for Wunder-kind Dubas to offer a 2nd to get him to Pittsburgh. He's a believer.....

Buy him out.

Buying him out is moves his cap hit to next year so they may as well suck it up this year. They need as many resources as they can muster during this part of the build so letting him expire is fine. Then when Tavares‘ contract expires the following year they might have a chance to build a competitive team.

 

[Buds17]

Only attach the 1st to a Murray transaction if the intention is to make a value/hockey trade out of it. Even though the option isn't a great one, buying out the contract is nonetheless still an option due to the lack of term left on it. A swap of expiring contracts might be something to explore if emerging with the full amount of cap space isn't the most pressing of concerns. This ideally shouldn't be a repeat of the Mrazek situation (accepting a loss of value).

 

[mydnyte]

Unfortunately a lot of reports make it seem like we will be unable to LTIR him.

Do we have to give up the 1st for him if so?

Id almost rather just send him to the Marlies until he gets hurt in 10 games and eat the 3 whatever million that isn't buried from the transaction

i wouldnt pay anything to get rid of him ...there will be a desperate GM out there when his starter gets hurt in a useless pre-season game, or we waive and burry him. Hurt in the minors or hurt in the NHL is the same ltir i believe

 

[Mess]

Buying him out is moves his cap hit to next year so they may as well suck it up this year. They need as many resources as they can muster during this part of the build so letting him expire is fine. Then when Tavares‘ contract expires the following year they might have a chance to build a competitive team.

Buying him out puts a $2 mil dead cap space on Leafs books,

Next year +1 in 2024-2025

Matthews re-sign $14 mil kicks in +
Nylander re-signed for $9.5 mil kicks in +
Tavares $11 mil still on books +
Marner $10.9 mil still on books +
Matt Murray buy-out $2 mil in dead cap space in 2024-25

= Cap Hell even worse then now with $47.5 mil tied up in 4 forwards and Murray mistake of $87,500,000 upper limit projected = 54% C.H.%
+ Morgan Rielly deal at $75. mil = $55 mil for 4 forwards and Mo = 63% of Leafs Salary cap.

= $32.5 mil cap to allocate to 8 forwards + 5 dmen + 2 goalies + 2 spares (17 players).

Treliving is inheriting a nightmare the next couple years until Leafs can get away from Murray and Tavares contracts.

 

[jaric1862]

I'd say suck it up for this season and bury him in the minors.

Or if we can retain half and give up like a third thats another option

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Buying him out puts a $2 mil dead cap space on Leafs books,

Next year +1 in 2024-2025

Matthews re-sign $14 mil kicks in +
Nylander re-signed for $9.5 mil kicks in +
Tavares $11 mil still on books +
Marner $10.9 mil still on books +
Matt Murray buy-out $2 mil in dead cap space in 2024-25

= Cap Hell even worse then now with $47.5 mil tied up in 4 forwards and Murray mistake of $87,500,000 upper limit projected = 54% C.H.%

= $40 mil cap to allocate to 8 forwards + 6 dmen + 2 goalies + 2 spares

Treliving is inheriting a nightmare the next couple years until Leafs can get away from Murray and Tavares contracts.

That's why he MUST get rid of 1 or 2 of the core 3. He gets to pay for Dubas' sins.

 

[Ciao]

If he's legit hurt, there's nothing stopping the team from putting him on LTiR. He's valuable in that respect and spending assets to move him is moving backwards.

If he's healthy he can still play in this league, staying healthy is the problem.

I agree. If he's healthy, play him. If not, LTIR him.

If he's healthy he might have s good year.

 

[PromisedLand]

Dubas really screwed us again eh

anyway this is how I will proceed

1) Is Murray going to be fine going on LTIR? If yes, no need for trades. If no then:

2) What is Samsonov looking for as RFA? Can we afford him? if yes then may be talk to other teams who may want to take Murray without picks

3) if (1) and (2) not feasible then just ride out this year no need to trade murray with additional picks. My reasoning is that Tavares' contract is a really big boat anchor; Leafs are not in a position to make noise in the playoffs anyway; furthermore, we have yet to see the three amigos raise their game (Willy to a lesser extent) and win it by themselves. As a manager I would not force the issue.

Use this year as a re-tool if we have to. If we don't make playoffs thats fine IMO; it will be like taking one step backward to take many steps forward. at the TDL we can deal if we are not in a position to make playoffs.

If we make the playoffs then let it play out as is do not add alot to this group. IMO I haven't seen much from the core group (except Rielly and to a lesser extent Willy); that can go beastmode in playoffs.

My 2 cents

 

[PromisedLand]

Nothing. His buyout isn't even that bad. For 2023-24 it's a $687.5K cap hit then $2M in 2024-25. I don't even think there would be a worry about his M-NTC either. If BT can find any team to take him and possibly play him, I guarantee that Murray would waive his no trade. He clearly wants to play still and that's the biggest issue: he's fragile but is still driven to get back into the lineup.

Buyout IMO is not a good option. Next year is the year of a cap crunch IMO as Matthews/Willy deal (if they both re-sign) will come into play.

I'd play the season out as is.

IMHO Leafs should be planning for how Leafs would go about doing their business after Tavares is off the cap and prepare/plan accordingly not keep pushing the envelope until JT is on the cap and the roster. That IMO is the way to go.

 

[ToneDog]

Murray and Keefe to Pittsburgh for a bag of pucks, a Primanti brothers sandwich and a case of Sam Adams.

 

[Mess]

Murray and Keefe to Pittsburgh for a bag of pucks, a Primanti brothers sandwich and a case of Sam Adams.

I got one better for you than that ..

I see your Murray and Keefe and I add you 1 X John Tavares as the sweetener to Pens as Future considerations & rights to pending UFA goalie Tristan Jarry.

How could Pens GM refuse that? His Soo goalie and his favourite coach and his prized UFA signing.

Leafs would get back $15.67 mil in free Cap space and be in a position to hire a competent NHL coach.

Matthews and Nylander's new contract raises would seem so less ominous with that much free cap space on the books.

 

[Stephen]

Unfortunately a lot of reports make it seem like we will be unable to LTIR him.

So Matt Murray is going to be healthy out of spite?

If I’m running the team that guy gets two options. Either he’s LTIR and gets his money in full sitting on Robidas Island, or we bite the bullet and buy him out and he gets a fraction of his $8 million.

 

[mydnyte]

So Matt Murray is going to be healthy out of spite?

If I’m running the team that guy gets two options. Either he’s LTIR and gets his money in full sitting on Robidas Island, or we bite the bullet and buy him out and he gets a fraction of his $8 million.

before he got hurt, he surprised the hell out of me, and looked like a legit #1G.
after the 1st injury, not so much.
Keefe really should have played him vs Fla if he really was healthy, and not just healthy enough to backup

 

[LeafSteel]

So Matt Murray is going to be healthy out of spite?

If I’m running the team that guy gets two options. Either he’s LTIR and gets his money in full sitting on Robidas Island, or we bite the bullet and buy him out and he gets a fraction of his $8 million.

This is the correct answer.

 

[ponder]

I just don't think we'll have to pay that much to get rid of him. Some recent trade value comparisons:

Ottawa paid us a 3rd to dump 2 years of Murray (at $4.7 mil AAV)
His season with the Leafs was very similar, in terms of both performance and injuries, to his last bunch of seasons with the Sens. Why would it cost us wayyyyy more to dump 1 year of Murray at $4.7 mil AAV than it cost the Sens to dump 2 years?

We traded down from 25th to 38th overall to dump 2 years of Mrazek (at $3.8 mil AAV)
Mrazek is healthier but much worse than Murray. Again, I don't see it costing much more to dump 1 year of Murray vs. 2 of Mrazek.

I would pay something like a 3rd, or trading down a bit (late 1st to early 2nd), to dump Murray. I'd be hesitant about trading a 2nd straight up, and would absolutely not trade a 1st straight up.

 

[Stephen]

before he got hurt, he surprised the hell out of me, and looked like a legit #1G.
after the 1st injury, not so much.
Keefe really should have played him vs Fla if he really was healthy, and not just healthy enough to backup

He has his moments but he was also wildly unavailable at crucial times during the season… but I sometimes chuckle at the idea that Matt Murray could have gone on a Bobrovsky style run and what an all time hunch that would have been…

 

[Blaylock38]

nothing, we won't need to attach an asset, last year of the deal, and who knows what the teams plan are? what if they Trade Sammy's rights for a Dman or FWd. Go with Woll and Murray, giving Woll majority of the play. his history suggest he will end up on the LTIR unless he somehow motivates himself to play in a show me year.

 

[Mess]

He has his moments but he was also wildly unavailable at crucial times during the season… but I sometimes chuckle at the idea that Matt Murray could have gone on a Bobrovsky style run and what an all time hunch that would have been…

Then your alarm clock always goes off, and you realized is was all just a crazy dream.

 

[danny90]

Why would we give up anything? He was solid when healthy and if he’s not healthy he goes on LTIR

 

[Discoverer]

I just don't think we'll have to pay that much to get rid of him. Some recent trade value comparisons:

Ottawa paid us a 3rd to dump 2 years of Murray (at $4.7 mil AAV)
His season with the Leafs was very similar, in terms of both performance and injuries, to his last bunch of seasons with the Sens. Why would it cost us wayyyyy more to dump 1 year of Murray at $4.7 mil AAV than it cost the Sens to dump 2 years?

We traded down from 25th to 38th overall to dump 2 years of Mrazek (at $3.8 mil AAV)
Mrazek is healthier but much worse than Murray. Again, I don't see it costing much more to dump 1 year of Murray vs. 2 of Mrazek.

I would pay something like a 3rd, or trading down a bit (late 1st to early 2nd), to dump Murray. I'd be hesitant about trading a 2nd straight up, and would absolutely not trade a 1st straight up.

Yeah, it wouldn't cost much to move him. And as crazy as it sounds, Mrazek played less than Murray the year before the trade (18 vs. 26 starts)... and the two years before (32 vs. 46)... and the three years before (68 vs. 71). So Mrazek was both way worse than Murray and somehow even less reliable.

 

[thewave]

I'd say suck it up for this season and bury him in the minors.

Or if we can retain half and give up like a third thats another option

Play him. He will LTIR

 

[keonsbitterness]

Unlike Mrazek, Murray only has one year left. Shouldn't be too hard a deal to make if they want to trade him

 

[justashadowof]

One thing to remember is that Matt Murray's boss last season was a cheerleader for him. Dubas wasn't about to have Murray sitting on the LTIR for the entire season. It was imperative that Murray would get back in the action and prove the GM right. Dubas kept allowing Murray to hit the ice in a physical state that stretching the wrong way or pushing off too quickly sent him back to the infirmary. Never was it some catastrophic collision that took him down again. I've got a feeling that a proper physical examination at training camp without the GM's thumb on the scale would mark him for the LTIR immediately and for the balance of the season and his contract. Then problem solved.