Matt Murray- What would you be willing to give up to get rid of him

[ULF_55]

Lol at people in here saying it’s gonna be easy to move him - if you think this you’re ignorant to the fact that a) he makes 8 million in actual dollars this year (25% eaten by Ottawa) and b) he is not a useful player at this stage. Essentially dead cap.

If we aren’t dealing a first I think we have to eat money to move him.

Just asking ... what did it cost to move Webber?

Vegas traded Weber and a 2023 fifth-round draft pick to Arizona for defenseman Dysin Mayo, 26, an AHL defenseman who was assigned to the Golden Knights' minor league affiliate in Henderson.

Now we're only talking 3 million, but we're also talking a team on welfare.

Chicago needs another goalie ...

 

[4thline]

That seems like it would turn a 1 year contract problem in Murray into a 2 year contract problem in Granlund.

Possibly. Depends on which Granlund you get, Pittsburgh or Nashville

 

[justashadowof]

So you'd rather be sitting with Husso/Campbell/Kuemper right now?

That's a false dichotomy you've presented. There were more than those goalies change teams last summer.

 

[ACC1224]

His GM was his advocate. An athlete that delicate needs an organization to tolerate the uncertainty. Remember Lupul? The organization was fine with waiting on him right into the tank season but once the team was done with that it was off to the island despite Lupul's muffled protestations.

Also remember, none of these guys are entitled to play. They are only entitled to receiving the fulfillment of their contracted compensation.

All that matters is how it affects the cap for next season.

So you'd rather be sitting with Husso/Campbell/Kuemper right now?

I'd rather none but here we are.

 

[Machinae]

Leafs keep Murray and move Samsonov for picks.

 

[4thline]

That's a false dichotomy you've presented. There were more than those goalies change teams last summer.

Yes there were. Other discussed names that moved in that time period, listed by 2022-2023 Sv%

Gustavsson (Ottawa wanted a goalie back)
Samsonov
Georgiev -3rd+3rd+7th
Vanacek -2nd+3rd
Kuemper - 3 additional seasons, .6 extra cap hit to a 32 year old
Murray - received a 3rd and 7th to take
Talbot- cost Gustavsson
Husso - 3rd rounder, one extra season
Campbell - three extra seasons at higher cap hit

Samsonov + Murray while receiving a 3rd+7th is a pretty damn good combo, with Murray (despite flopping) being an arguably middle of the back move given his negative acquisition cost and low long term baggage. Best possible pair of moves? Hell no. But solid overall and better than most.

 

[nuck]

Just asking ... what did it cost to move Webber?

Vegas traded Weber and a 2023 fifth-round draft pick to Arizona for defenseman Dysin Mayo, 26, an AHL defenseman who was assigned to the Golden Knights' minor league affiliate in Henderson.

Now we're only talking 3 million, but we're also talking a team on welfare.

Chicago needs another goalie ...

But Mayo had a minor league salary of $1M so it actually only costs the the Yotes $1M in new money in 25-26. Plus they got the huge cap hit to reach the floor which would be hard to find in that crazy beneficial ratio elsewhere.

I don't think Chicago is a fit because Mrazek is barely NHL caliber so they need to re-sign Stalock or another goalie that can offer above replacement level performance. Murray is 20-25 games a year and hardly a wall so not a fit for them. Trading for and burying is the way to go if they can though.

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[nuck]

AZ might be a destination if Murray doesn't NT them. It wouldn't be the worst place for him to go if he hopes to reestablish his value. They have a hole in net and a couple players making around $1M per guaranteed that did not have very good seasons. The Leafs would still need to retain 50% I think to get it down to $3M before the outbound Yote players salaries are considered.

So that leaves about $2.35M cap assuming a B prospect gets it done. Thats more than the second year of the buyout cost but it leaves the club clear for the first year of AMs new deal. The problem is he has been a 20 game guy for three seasons in a row due to injuries so he isn't even a reliable backup. Better clubs might only be interested if they have a waiver exempt guy in the minors they could bring in should Murray go down again. There could be a club like that out there but it will still cost 50% retention and a 20 game goalie isn't worth $3M. Maybe they retain a little, cycle him through AZ first and then to the final destination club but that really depends on how much they care about reducing $2.35M in cap.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the new Penguins' fans' favourite hockey executive the first time spitballs a proposal to spend Fenway's money like that.

You mean Dubas is not going to give his GM full autonomy! For shame!

 

[Buds17]

If Dubas still believes in him, I wonder about a swap straight across for Granlund. Was a serviceable top 6 player in Nashville right up until the trade to Pitt when they forced him back to centre.

I couldn't outright reject this proposal because Granlund would actually have the easier path to a meaningful spot in the lineup. That said, I'd feel much better about the idea if Granlund was also on an expiring contract.

 

[nuck]

I couldn't outright reject this proposal because Granlund would actually have the easier path to a meaningful spot in the lineup. That said, I'd feel much better about the idea if Granlund was also on an expiring contract.

Granlund got top 6 minutes and a ton of pp time in Nashville. He is less likely to recover his 21-22 magic than Josi, Forsberg and Duchene who also set crazy personal bests. Sort of a Kerfoot 2.0 but not as good at ES. Not someone worth letting Bunting go for at that cap hit.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

If someone wants Murray great trade him for a bag of pucks and one of Dubie's little guys in minors .. otherwise if no one wants him play him in preseason and he will get hurt and on LTIR .. if he makes it through put him on waivers and send him down to minors .. his agent will figure out a way for him to get out without any pick give away

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

But Mayo had a minor league salary of $1M so it actually only costs the the Yotes $1M in new money in 25-26. Plus they got the huge cap hit to reach the floor which would be hard to find in that crazy beneficial ratio elsewhere.

I don't think Chicago is a fit because Mrazek is barely NHL caliber so they need to re-sign Stalock or another goalie that can offer above replacement level performance. Murray is 20-25 games a year and hardly a wall so not a fit for them. Trading for and burying is the way to go if they can though.

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Hawks are high on Soderbloom and just signed him to 2 year extension. So, if Mrazek or Murray falters he would come up permantly

Honestly may be Hawks plan to play Soderblom no matter what but if an asset of value is attached to Murray or another Mrazek jump up in draft is deal then I wouldn't be surprised to see the Hawks trade for Murray

They could also use buyout as option for Murray if acquired. last offseason the Hawks bought out Connolly and Borgstrom when they didn't need to do it so another buyout or two this offseason is not unlikely

And with signing of Athanasiou to extension it signals that even with Bedard the Hawks are preparing to be pretty shitty again next year

 

[TurgPavs]

Its going to cost basically the same that Ottawa had to pay., retain 25%, a 3rd and a 7th.

 

[ToneDog]

Its going to cost basically the same that Ottawa had to pay., retain 25%, a 3rd and a 7th.

So Leafs took on Murray @ 75% for 2 years for a 3rd and a 7th and it will cost the Leafs a 3rd, a 7th and 25% for 1 year ?? If there are no takers it might cost more but if there is a sucker out there that seems like an overpay or Dubas did not pry enough out of Dorion. Yup that is the most likely case.

 

[Buds17]

Granlund got top 6 minutes and a ton of pp time in Nashville. He is less likely to recover his 21-22 magic than Josi, Forsberg and Duchene who also set crazy personal bests. Sort of a Kerfoot 2.0 but not as good at ES. Not someone worth letting Bunting go for at that cap hit.

Top six minutes should be the expectation. Barring an even split of the PP units though, PP1 is probably a different matter entirely. On its surface, the idea of trading Murray for Granlund seems fine as one-for-one hockey trade. However, I'd still hesitate to complete the trade because of a preference for exploring a different way to spend that 5M x 2.

 

[Jozay]

Murray, BOS 1st (28) to CHI for OTT 2nd (44)

 

[nuck]

Hawks are high on Soderbloom and just signed him to 2 year extension. So, if Mrazek or Murray falters he would come up permantly

Honestly may be Hawks plan to play Soderblom no matter what but if an asset of value is attached to Murray or another Mrazek jump up in draft is deal then I wouldn't be surprised to see the Hawks trade for Murray

They could also use buyout as option for Murray if acquired. last offseason the Hawks bought out Connolly and Borgstrom when they didn't need to do it so another buyout or two this offseason is not unlikely

And with signing of Athanasiou to extension it signals that even with Bedard the Hawks are preparing to be pretty shitty again next year

Yeah I see Stauber is also waiver exempt. If you look at Stalock returning at $1M or less vs $3M for a retained Murray thats where the Hawks are. The 1st for 2nd swap that moved Mrazek was basically 2 x $4.3. so the Leafs are not going to come up with the same kind of sweetener this time and they lack the picks anyway. The Hawks could fit Murray but they would have to meet on the asset which is going to be a non roster player IMO.

 

[ToneDog]

Murray, BOS 1st (28) to CHI for OTT 2nd (44)

Why not? We probably get the guy we'd take at 28 at 44 any how.

 

[rocketman588]

You mean Dubas is not going to give his GM full autonomy! For shame!

Mirtle is going to write FSG such a strongly worded column don't they know he's a genius

 

[TurgPavs]

So Leafs took on Murray @ 75% for 2 years for a 3rd and a 7th and it will cost the Leafs a 3rd, a 7th and 25% for 1 year ?? If there are no takers it might cost more but if there is a sucker out there that seems like an overpay or Dubas did not pry enough out of Dorion. Yup that is the most likely case.

Murray basically had the exact same stats this year as last year. To your point, the less term is likly to lower to payment that Toronto would have to pay.

At the same time, I could see the Leaf's simply buying him out (687K 23/24 and 2 mil 24/25) cap hit, or maybe they just bury him in the A next season.

Regardless, I dont think the Leafs are going to come away with an asset for Murray. Someone suggested Murray and a 1st to Chicago for a 2nd. That's laughable at best.

Its all going to come down to how much cap Toronto wants to retain, and its not going to be more then the buried or buyout number.

I could see Chicago taking him at the full cap hit and next years 3rd (NYI) for "Future Considerations"

 

[Azail]

I already got my wish for the return of Matt Murray and that was the removal and replacement of the former GM that made that ridiculous trade. and the TRUE answer of what would I be willing to give up to get rid of him. I was willing to give up another wasted Leafs playoff season as long as accountability for that action was accompanying the expected suffering it would bring on.

Virtually everybody in Leaf Nation, was on board this year & accepted that this would be Dubas last year in Toronto (while playing out a lame duck and on an earn it contract), after he hitched his wagon to Matt Murray and his former Stanley Cup experience claiming the answer to Leafs playoff struggles and if it it failed he would be toast and deservedly so, in what I believe all poor decisions should have just consequences.

So as far as I'm concern accountability for that poor decision has already been issued, and the rest of the disposal of this mistake is just the anticipated road kill aftermath, and will always be tied to the former GM anyways. Put him on LTIR, send him to Robidas Island, buy him out or whatever it takes is minor now to close this final chapter.

Brad Treliving is what Toronto got as a result of the Murray trade, and expected disposal cost in year #2 that comes with that.

This is really odd. You wanted them to fail so Dubas would be let go for bringing in a goalie that didn't matter in the playoffs anyways?

So now that Dubas is gone, and Murray will be gone they will do better in the playoffs? Even though Murray didn't play in the playoffs?

I don't really care who the GM is, they don't play, but this is some weird fascination with the ex GM

 

[Leaf Fans]

That used car I bought was junked in a year but it could have been 3 months. It's a terrific deal in comparison to that! Impeccable mental gymnastics ensuring that I'm never wrong.

Great!

 

[Leaf Fans]

You mean Dubas is not going to give his GM full autonomy! For shame!

He will if he names himself GM

 

[Trapper]

He will if he names himself GM

In the interest of saving time, Dubas is now the Commissioner, PA, President and GM.