I cant believe the mess Dubas made. Total scorched earth. It will take Trev more than one season to clean this trainwreck up. To think fans actually thought Dubas was genius ROFL.
Matt Murray- What would you be willing to give up to get rid of him
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ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
The usual suspects claimed if Dubas was fired, he would have left the team in a better position than Lou left it. LMFAO.
Lou left him with the last year of the Marleau deal. Dubas fumbled the ball.
Lou left him with Z who asked out. Dubas gave away Brown and brings in Ceci. LOL
Lou left him with the 3 amigos negotiations. Dubas f***ed them up.
Took the clown 4 years to draft a Knies after drafting smurf after smurf.
The best he could do in goal was to sign Sammy who was kicked to the curb. Hardly makes up for Sparks, Hutch, Soup, Rittich (for a f***ing 3rd? Are you kidding me??), Mrazek, and Murray.
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If all goes according to plan, 7 years after Treliving has left his mark on this team we may be doing as well as Calgary.
Mess
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The Legacy of Dubas will be short lived in Toronto, but the damage inflicted particularly with his scorched earth approach to using future draft picks to fuel current failure. We're not even at the 2023 entry draft yet and Leafs are already missing their 1st, 2nd and 4th round picks for 2025 (3 years in the future), with Treliving sitting at Leafs draft table then holding only a 3rd round pick (of top 120 overall picks). Just let that sink in..
How many players that Dubas brought in over his 5 years are/will still be here in 2-3 years? Answer: Not very many..
Time can't pass fast enough until Leafs can get out from under the $11 mil JT contract. Brodie and Gio are ex-Flames that BT already walked away from while still with Calgary so their time is short here now. Kerfoot, Holl, Bunting already told Hasta La Vista baby. Matt Murray is a buyout candidate, All this is clean-up in Isle 5 for Treliving.
What's left McCabe, Jarnkrok and Matty Knies as residual players in the 5 years as GM as his body of work for our new GM to work with. However the overpaid contracts, the NMC and the empty prospect cupboard and loss of draft picks will live on long after, impacting the team with players he inherited.
Lou Lam orchestrated the last overall finish and the drafting of Auston Matthews the teams best and franchise player. Joseph Woll might be Leafs drafted and developed goalie of the future and young Timothy Lijegren also a draft pick by the Leafs former GM who lead the Leafs defense in goals (6) might end up being the only surviving member of the Dcore outside of Mo Riells when BT is done, and will give him more to work with then the most recent GM.
Forward: Matthews, Dman: Liljegren & Goalie: Woll .. Now name a Dubas forward, Dman and goalie he is paying it forward with in comparison?
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2nd line wingers produce at a PPG level? that's ridiculous. and again why would we want to move him while he's producing as he is? if he continues this pace for the next two years and is willing to sign a discount to stay why would we be so ridiculously short sighted and want to move him now? his life is here in Toronto, his Wife's job and life is here in Toronto. also he took less money then offered elsewhere to sign here when he did. all indications would lead me to believe, he would prefer to finish his career here.
only 28 guys out scored Tavares offensively last year, his deal was a UFA contract of course he's going to be highly paid. the fact that he's still producing that well 5 years into his deal is great imo. if he was about to hit the open market I would bet he would get 8-9 million easily. he's overpaid by about 2 million. that's not a boat anchor, that's like Lucic who got paid 6 million to play on the fourth line for the last 4-5 years, or Clarkson who wasn't even an NHL player a year after signing his UFA deal.
If Erik Karlsson had just finished producing around 100 points since joining the Sharks he would be sought after. but prior to this year his best season with the Sharks was 45 points so yea I think the situation is a little different.
Dubas who is your personal idol made it to the exact same round as Calgary in his time here.
Then left us with a disgusting mess
You realize we don't win shit right. Him being 28th in the league in scoring while getting paid superstar money is a pretty massive over pay
He's basically the reason why we can't invest in a proper d corps also
We had a 30 goal scorer at 2C under a cost controlled deal before we made the decision to sign him as well
Mr Knies Guy
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Honestly, I’d just keep him another year…. Next year is going to be a total waste of time anyways, just have him and Woll, sign some vet/AHLer to 900k to be 3rd string/backup on Marlies, and sign/trade Samsonov for draft capital or a nice young piece ready to breakout as a 2nd/3rd liner.
I don’t value Samsonov much; I think he was “ok, just ok” as Randy would say and benefitted from a pretty good defensive and puck possession team in front of him. His numbers aren’t outstanding or suggestive of a sure fire 1A. If you can bridge him for two years, then I’d bite. But I think he’ll get term and dollars like a #1 and I personally haven’t seen close to enough for long enough to see that as acceptable.
I also happen to be a big fan of Woll and I’d like if they gave him the reins as 1A.
I’d be a pissed off baghead fan if they gave up anything higher than a 6th to offload him when yet another run-back is simply insanity defined.
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again your being short sighted I already said he is overpaid but not by what your talking about, being a boat anchor, almost every long term UFA contract looks bad near the end. and for it to look poor but still putting up ppg numbers he's still clearly valuable to this team. but the real value of Tavares will come three years from now if he's willing to finish his career in Toronto and take sweetheart deals till he retires.
our Dcorps was fine this year in fact we were near the top of the league in goals against. it;s not like we were the Oilers giving up 3+ a game. we only gave up 12 goals in regulation in 5 games vs Florida and averaged 29.4 shots against per game in regulation vs someone like Vegas that gave up 32 shots a game. that should have been enough for us to win a couple of those games with our offense.
Kadri scored 30+ twice in his career and hasn't done it since moving on from our team. in his final year in Toronto he's scored 16. he's only broken 60 points twice in his career and only put up 56 on a 7 million dollar contract this past season. talking about a boat anchor wait till he's 39 making 7 million on the cap. he couldn't even stay in the lineup during the playoffs, he's never been close to Tavares level. but for 1 contract year.
TMLBlueandWhite
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I smell the smelly smell of something that smells smelly.
Phew, man, the goaltending. It stinks. There's no denying goaltending was neglected under Dubas.
A GM couldn't have done a worse job if they tried.
The fact Murray hasn't been bought out yet leads me to believe it's the last option the Leafs will pursue. A trade will cost a price. And LTIR has cap implications.
Boy what a mess Dubas left.
I can't imagine Treliving is planning on going into the year with Murray's broken battered body in net.
I don't think they would have any trouble Robidas Islanding him if it came down to it. Remember when poor crippled Lupol still thought he could play? Until the Leafs lawyers told him he couldn't.
Whatever it is Treliving does, he should make upgrading net a priority.
Because you can't have the most important position being filled with a piece of stinky swiss cheese.
Phew, man, the goaltending. It stinks. There's no denying goaltending was neglected under Dubas.
A GM couldn't have done a worse job if they tried.
The fact Murray hasn't been bought out yet leads me to believe it's the last option the Leafs will pursue. A trade will cost a price. And LTIR has cap implications.
Boy what a mess Dubas left.
I can't imagine Treliving is planning on going into the year with Murray's broken battered body in net.
I don't think they would have any trouble Robidas Islanding him if it came down to it. Remember when poor crippled Lupol still thought he could play? Until the Leafs lawyers told him he couldn't.
Whatever it is Treliving does, he should make upgrading net a priority.
Because you can't have the most important position being filled with a piece of stinky swiss cheese.
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I'm sorry but you don't take a step back when Matthews is in his prime
Mess
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Look at that goaltending situation under Dubas that he believed was making the Leafs into a Cup Contender.
Garret Sparks
Michael Hutchinson
Kasimir Kaskisuo
Jack Campbell
David Rittich
Petr Mrazek
Erik Kallgren
Matt Murray
Ilya Samsonov
The buyout of Murray still might be coming, only likely after the entry draft as Leafs have until end of June to process it as a last resort.
PS, True Story .. I asked my 9 year old nephew last summer at a family get together, as he is both a Leafs fan, and was going into a hockey pool if he wanted Matt Murray on his fantasy team this year now that he is a Maple Leaf.. He asked me "If I was crazy, because he is always hurt and he stinks". Take that goalie analysis from the mouth of babes, and that my nephew knows more then my NHL GM.
Your post about smelling bad triggered that memory.
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TMLBlueandWhite
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Look at that goaltending situation under Dubas that he believed was making the Leafs into a Cup Contender.
Garret Sparks
Michael Hutchinson
Kasimir Kaskisuo
Jack Campbell
David Rittich
Petr Mrazek
Erik Kallgren
Matt Murray
Ilya Samsonov
The buyout of Murray still might be coming, only likely after the entry draft as Leafs have until end of June to process it as a last resort.
PS, True Story .. I asked my 9 year old nephew last summer at a family get together, as he is both a Leafs fan, and was going into a hockey pool if he wanted Matt Murray on his fantasy team this year now that he is a Maple Leaf.. He asked me "If I was crazy, because he is always hurt and he stinks". Take that goalie analysis from the mouth of babes, and that my nephew knows more then my NHL GM.
Your post about smelling bad triggered that memory.
As unbelievable as it is, Dubas signed Hutchinson three times.
That alone tells us everything we need to know about his ability to evaluate goalies.
Stamkos4life
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It was a long 5 years, that's for sure.
Back in 2018 I already had my doubts about dubas. But anyone who dared to question boy genius was told they werent a real leaf fan and mocked.
The cult personality around dubas was insane. I've never seen anything like it with an nhl gm and I hope we never see it again.
It is nice with most of the fan club either hiding or now cheering for the pens.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Fixed it for you but there are still a few around who refuse to take off the blue and white glasses. LOL
weems
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Revisionist history is fun.
There was a pretty even split here a long time about whether hiring Dubas was the right call or not.
Are we actually going to act like people who didn’t support the hire didn’t mock back in kind.
That says nothing for those who just wanted to let it play out and didn’t have strong feelings either way (like myself)
The more I think about it the more i think he's LTIR'd. If he gets bought out, he would be losing over 2.5 million in actual dollars. If he continues playing, will he ever earn this back? he'd likely get a on year 1 million offer coming out of this, if any at all. He will likely just ride his 8 million dollar paycheck into the sunset.
Stamkos4life
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No revisionist history here.
I had no issue with dubas when we promoted him to be gm. In fact I thought some of Lou's rules like no facial hair and no high numbers were arbitrary.
There definitely was not an "even split" at first. I remember very few who dared to speak out against Kyle because they were mocked and harassed by the dubas fan boys.
I cant even begin to understand the lack of logic in accusing someone of not being a fan because they doubt the gm.
You were most certainly not in the group who "didnt have strong feelings either way". That is revisionist history.
thewave
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His fans want to build him a statue. It's cult status at this point, be interesting to see how he works out in PIT. Never seen anyone rewarded and praised so highly for doing absolutely nothing.
BallardEra
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ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Cost us a 1st to dump Marleau who was owed $4.25m with a 6.25m cap hit. We owe Murray $6m with a cap hit of $4.7m. Well done Dubas, you fumbled the ball with Marleau and left us Murray. Glad Steeltown feels more like home.
