Matt Murray- What would you be willing to give up to get rid of him

[-DeMo-]

Should be easy to get rid of it then

why would we want to get rid of him? especially if he wants to end his career here his next contract might be at a discounted rate.

 

[Mess]

I don’t know about decent but I think league average was about ~0.900 this season and by goals saved above expected he was about even.

Not great, but the discussion around him is definitely being soured by the fact that he had by far his worst stretch right at the end of the season. Petr Mrazek he was not.

Matt Murray played in only 20 games the previous season in Ottawa, and Leafs got a mere 26 games out of him this season and 14 wins @ $4.67 Mil AAV

Last year Mrazek played in 20 games for the Leafs and recorded 12 wins for $3.8 mil AAV

The difference between Mrazek last year and Murray this year was 6 more games played and 2 more wins and more expensive.

 

[rocketman588]

why would we want to get rid of him? especially if he wants to end his career here his next contract might be at a discounted rate.

Because paying 11 mil a year for someone who might be a second line left winger next year is incredibly stupid

Karlsson had 100 points as a defenseman and no one would take his deal

Unfortunately JT is paid as a top 10 player in the league while being nowhere close to that level. It's an absolute boat anchor. Zaitsev took brown a third and an expiring Cody Ceci to get rid of.

JT would take a first at a minimum most likely more

 

[danny90]

Before he got injured he was giving up 4 + for how many straight starts.?

He must have been pretty solid to still post a 3 gaa if he’s letting in 4 goals every game.

 

[Sypher04]

Matt Murray played in only 20 games the previous season in Ottawa, and Leafs got a mere 26 games out of him this season and 14 wins @ $4.67 Mil AAV

Last year Mrazek played in 20 games for the Leafs and recorded 12 wins for $3.8 mil AAV

The difference between Mrazek last year and Murray this year was 6 more games played and 2 more wins and more expensive.

Mrazek had 2 years left which is more important than any of that

 

[Racer88]

Murray was a train wreck, another of Dubas’s genius goalie moves.
many of us were losing our minds when we heard Dubas got Murray because even a bunch of clowns like us new it was going to be a nightmare.

 

[ToDavid]

Matt Murray played in only 20 games the previous season in Ottawa, and Leafs got a mere 26 games out of him this season and 14 wins @ $4.67 Mil AAV

Last year Mrazek played in 20 games for the Leafs and recorded 12 wins for $3.8 mil AAV

The difference between Mrazek last year and Murray this year was 6 more games played and 2 more wins and more expensive.

You’re just blatantly ignoring their individual stats.

Not even sure why you feel the need to bang this drum so hard anymore lol. Everyone agrees Murray is gone. He’s not going to hurt us anymore.

 

[Nineteen67]

He must have been pretty solid to still post a 3 gaa if he’s letting in 4 goals every game.

Yes, he played ~25 game and was ok. That’s why I’d keep him as a back up.

 

[Nineteen67]

the article was posted on Jan 29th. and yea he had a very poor month which brought his stats way down, was a 920 goalie on Jan 1 and then 911 at time of his injury with potentially trying to play through said injury. and was terrible when he got back. he wouldn't be the first player to play poorly after an injury mid season...

Probably wasn’t the first time he played poorly after mid season injury.

 

[justashadowof]

If you're sane and aren't attempting to tank your 2023-24 season, you don't acquire Matt Murray with a $4.7M cap hit and the idea of using him as a goaltending solution.

I know it seems to be playing it close to the edge to count on Murray getting LTIR'd for the entire 2023-24. It probably isn't. I seriously doubt he was ever fully healthy during the entirety of the 2022-23 season and probably the previous seasons as well. Dubas was heavily invested in Murray playing so I think we saw him play games at 70% hoping to play his way into health.

I'll reiterate this: it's the best outcome for both sides of this for Murray to just quietly go onto the LTIR for the entire season, collect his $8M in paycheques and not rock the boat. He rests his body for a full calendar year and gets himself in shape for a career resurrection in 2024-25. The alternative isn't better for Murray. Buyout the contract and lose $2.667M in real money then cross his fingers that he could get a one way league minimum deal after that.

 

[Byron Bitz]

I’d eat one million and trade him for a 7th. At that price with just o e year left he pretty much has neutral value.

 

[Stamkos4life]

I don’t know about decent but I think league average was about ~0.900 this season and by goals saved above expected he was about even.

Not great, but the discussion around him is definitely being soured by the fact that he had by far his worst stretch right at the end of the season. Petr Mrazek he was not.

Imo average goaltending is around .910 sv%. Anything below is subpar and hard to win with.

Murray hasnt been above .910 since 2018-19.

Theres a reason Ottawa wanted him gone. And it's not because of things he liked on Twitter.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Before injury he was solid. I’m assuming you mean Campbell in Edmonton? He had a worse sv% and is paid more for longer term and no trade clause.

If you mean Andersen on the hurricanes he also posted a .903 save percentage and is paid more with a ntc.

Before Murray's injury, he had a .911 sv%. That's just average imo.

My apologies though, I meant freddy with the canes and for some reason I thought he had better than a .903 as well.

 

[Legion34]

Imo average goaltending is around .910 sv%. Anything below is subpar and hard to win with.

Murray hasnt been above .910 since 2018-19.

Theres a reason Ottawa wanted him gone. And it's not because of things he liked on Twitter.

Are you sure? Wasn’t league average goaltending .899 last year?

 

[mydnyte]

Matt Murray played in only 20 games the previous season in Ottawa, and Leafs got a mere 26 games out of him this season and 14 wins @ $4.67 Mil AAV

Last year Mrazek played in 20 games for the Leafs and recorded 12 wins for $3.8 mil AAV

The difference between Mrazek last year and Murray this year was 6 more games played and 2 more wins and more expensive.

the main difference as i saw it was, when Murray was in net we had a chance to win, with, Mrazek, we only had a chance to lose.
Pre-injury, i was shocked at how good Murray looked in net, it wasnt Ottawa Murray, it was Cup Pitt Murray, but, after that 1st injury, he still looked better than the Ottawa version but, more like the playing his way out of Pitt version.

I'd try to bundle an asset like Brodie and get a prospect/pick back to clear $10+.
I'd never just add an asset just to unload him as he'll either be 'good' or hurt anyways, and its next year when we really need the extra cap space anyways.

 

[ToneDog]

Before Murray's injury, he had a .911 sv%. That's just average imo.

My apologies though, I meant freddy with the canes and for some reason I thought he had better than a .903 as well.

You either need an elite goalie like Shesterkin, Sorokin, Helley etc. or you need an elite D like Vegas has or you need a bit of both.

When I look at our D with Gio, Lily, Holl, Gus, and a subpar Brodie I think we can't win with our D, then I think but we only gave up 2-3 goals per game in the playoffs so the problem must be lack of scoring.

Or we are just freaking cursed and will never find the right combination.

 

[ShaneFalco]

You either need an elite goalie like Shesterkin, Sorokin, Helley etc. or you need an elite D like Vegas has or you need a bit of both.

When I look at our D with Gio, Lily, Holl, Gus, and a subpar Brodie I think we can't win with our D, then I think but we only gave up 2-3 goals per game in the playoffs so the problem must be lack of scoring.

Or we are just freaking cursed and will never find the right combination.

Part of the problem has been lack of scoring in the bottom 6, and we have very little O on D

 

[NVious]

4 1sts
Marner
Nylander
Knies

 

[ToneDog]

Part of the problem has been lack of scoring in the bottom 6, and we have very little O on D

We got 3 goals from the petit 4 in 5 games against Florida and that IMO has always been the biggest problem. You can't ask for half the cap and then not deliver when it counts 5 years in a row.

You are not winning anything when Lafferty, Kerfoot, Knies, Bunts, Gus, and Morgs outscore your two $11m Cs.

 

[mydnyte]

Are you sure? Wasn’t league average goaltending .899 last year?

why should anyone let 'facts' get in the way of bashing a player.
for the record, sorted the goalies by ice time, and here are the top 30's save %
Highlighted a few that are considered good, or on the block/available, or flopped in the playoffs
.919 (Saros)
.920 (Helly)
.919
.919
.915 (Vasi)
.924
.894 (Binnington)
.916
.892 (Markstrom ...hope Tre has zero interest)
.909
.896 (Husso which many on the board wanted over Samsonov)
.907 (Hart)
.899 (Gibson)
.900 (Vejmelka)
.911
.914 (Skinner)
.938 (Ulmark)
.901 (Bobrovsky)
.908
.909 (Jarry)
.887
.890
.919 (Samsonov)
.891
.901
.931
.882
.915
.915
.894 (Mrazek)
Anderson is in slot 37 with a .903 (on the best defensive team in the league)
Demko is in slot 40 with a .901
Murray, injuries and all was at .903, but, ranked 50th in playing time and cannot be relied upon to stay healthy, and his stats dropped huge after the 1st injury.

We got 3 goals from the petit 4 in 5 games against Florida and that IMO has always been the biggest problem. You can't ask for half the cap and then not deliver when it counts 5 years in a row.

You are not winning anything when Lafferty, Kerfoot, Knies, Bunts, Gus, and Morgs outscore your two $11m Cs.

hard to deliver when your D cant get the puck out of the zone, and you are stuck puck chasing the entire shift.
Our poor Defense is what has lost us every series

 

[ToDavid]

Imo average goaltending is around .910 sv%. Anything below is subpar and hard to win with.

Murray hasnt been above .910 since 2018-19.

Theres a reason Ottawa wanted him gone. And it's not because of things he liked on Twitter.

I'm not pretending he was great, or even good, but Ottawa's goaltending decisions are not the standard of excellence by which we should be evaluating this team.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Noone saw this contract problem coming

 

[Cor]

I have no issue doing the Mrazek type deal again. Trading down from 28, into the late 30's, in exchange for them taking Murray's deal.

I expect something like

Murray + 28 to CHI for 44
Murray + 28 to BUF for 39

Otherwise we just buyout.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Yes, I'd rather that.

A poll won't change my opinion.

List off the roster and the contracts if you are going to make a poll though.

If Murray is the worst contract when Zaitsev was a 7 year mess at the same hit, then I don't see how anyone chooses 2018.

Considering how often you have been wrong over the last 5 years and the fact you disagree with me, I'd say it gives my position even more credit.

I'm not pretending he was great, or even good, but Ottawa's goaltending decisions are not the standard of excellence by which we should be evaluating this team.

When a player hasn't even been average since 2018-19 and their previous team had no interest in keeping them, I'd say theres a good bet the goalie is no good.

 

[Magic Man]

I have no issue doing the Mrazek type deal again. Trading down from 28, into the late 30's, in exchange for them taking Murray's deal.

I expect something like

Murray + 28 to CHI for 44
Murray + 28 to BUF for 39

Otherwise we just buyout.

I really don't want to waste the chance to get a high quality prospect on dumping a shitty goalie two years in a row.

He loses big money if he gets bought out, so sit him on LTIR. If he refuses, buy him out and make him go get another job in the league, if anyone will have him at league minimum.

Obviously, if the deal is right, make a trade. But, try to emulate the Murray trade to Toronto if one is out there more so than the Mrazek to Hawks deal. I'd rather lose the 3rd and 7th he brought with him than to drop out of quality prospect range. We need reinforcements continually coming in on cheap contracts with big upside.