Matt Murray- What would you be willing to give up to get rid of him

[ToneDog]

Why do they have to have a third goalie on the roster. Can’t they call up a goalie if/when he gets hurt?


Woll needs to start to see if he can be a number 1.

Plenty of time during the season as we saw this year. Priority is to get out from under the Murray cap hit.

 

[Hellcat]

Cap space is the only thing that I think makes sense to give up to get rid of him.

If we buy him out, it would cost us on the cap approximately $690k this upcoming season and 2mil the season after that. You gain about $4 mil in cap space next season and lose about $2 mil in cap space the season after this upcoming one.

 

[ToneDog]

Cap space is the only thing that I think makes sense to give up to get rid of him.

If we buy him out, it would cost us on the cap approximately $690k this upcoming season and 2mil the season after that. You gain about $4 mil in cap space next season and lose about $2 mil in cap space the season after this upcoming one.

Cap space will be critical with 34 and 88's new deals. You might have to move somebody to make it work with 2.6m in dead cap space. Just one of the many nuggets the boy genius left behind.

 

[Buds17]

Why do they have to have a third goalie on the roster. Can’t they call up a goalie if/when he gets hurt?


Woll needs to start to see if he can be a number 1.


For this year that would be fine for 25 or so games.

I'm suggesting that to carry three goalies is to waste a roster spot.

Having Murray as the backup to Woll also seems like the goalie combination that'd be the furthest from ideal for the team.

 

[Stamkos4life]

So Dubas built a team that did better in the playoffs and regular season, but Lou had the team in a better spot, got it.

I am glad that results don't always matter.

Just to clarify, you're honestly saying if you were a gm, you'd rather walk into Brad's position in 2023 than Kyle's in 2018?

I can start a poll if youd like. But I'm sure 90% would agree that dubas left the team in a worse position than when he took over.

Saying "I'm.glad results don't matter" is exactly what I've been hearing from you for the last 5 years. Every embarrassing failure under dubas was excused for one illogical reason after another.

If I were you, I'd be embarrassed of posting with your track record.

 

[notbias]

Just to clarify, you're honestly saying if you were a gm, you'd rather walk into Brad's position in 2023 than Kyle's in 2018?

I can start a poll if youd like. But I'm sure 90% would agree that dubas left the team in a worse position than when he took over.

Saying "I'm.glad results don't matter" is exactly what I've been hearing from you for the last 5 years. Every embarrassing failure under dubas was excused for one illogical reason after another.

If I were you, I'd be embarrassed of posting with your track record.

Yes, I'd rather that.

A poll won't change my opinion.

List off the roster and the contracts if you are going to make a poll though.

If Murray is the worst contract when Zaitsev was a 7 year mess at the same hit, then I don't see how anyone chooses 2018.

 

[andora]

Yes, I'd rather that.

A poll won't change my opinion.

List off the roster and the contracts if you are going to make a poll though.

If Murray is the worst contract when Zaitsev was a 7 year mess at the same hit, then I don't see how anyone chooses 2018.

Personally i would rather deal with zaitsev while having all the young stuff coming up with the sole focus being on defence

I see all three areas needing addressing now with sacrifices needing to be made due to not enough money being available to address all three

 

[notbias]

Personally i would rather deal with zaitsev while having all the young stuff coming up with the sole focus being on defence

I see all three areas needing addressing now with sacrifices needing to be made due to not enough money being available to address all three

Our D is in a much better position currently, I would not want to go back to:

Rielly - Hainsey
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Polak

just my opinion though.

 

[Nineteen67]

I'd prefer someone else who's a little better and costs less. But hopefully he gets injured and we can ltir him.

5.5 million in goaltending is not bad. Ideally they can get rid of him without given up anything, otherwise its only money.

 

[andora]

Our D is in a much better position currently, I would not want to go back to:

Rielly - Hainsey
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Polak

just my opinion though.

Right but it is the whole picture.. that defence but with the young players and draft picks and cap space to address it

Our D is in a much better position currently, I would not want to go back to:

Rielly - Hainsey
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Polak

just my opinion though.

And i wonder what other options were out there.. thinking back to the first couple years and remembering who i liked and didnt like what could have happened

Didnt like gardiner would have traded
Didnt like dermott would have traded
Didnt like kapanen would have traded
Didnt like johnsson would have traded
There were a couple others i dont remember by name

 

[Nineteen67]

I'm suggesting that to carry three goalies is to waste a roster spot.

Having Murray as the backup to Woll also seems like the goalie combination that'd be the furthest from ideal for the team.

No need to carry three. Next season is about testing Woll, if he passes great, if he doesn’t they keep searching.

 

[NJG]

Try to do the same as the mrazek deal

28th + him for a 2nd

I was thinking of a deal like:

Matt Murray + 28th OA + Nick Robertson for Nick Schmaltz

We clean out Matt Murrays deal, and get a top 6 forward for 3 years at 5.8M

Why? just buy him out... Why lose a pick to get rid of him when you can buy him out? He won't be that expensive to buyout plus Ottawa has to eat some of that money.

 

[Nineteen67]

Plenty of time during the season as we saw this year. Priority is to get out from under the Murray cap hit.

The priority is not giving up anymore assets.

 

[Leaf Lander]

I'd move Auston Mathews and Matt Murray to Phx for cap space a ltir player contract 1st rnd picks and 2nd rnd pick and C Connor Geekie

He doesn't play hard he's lazy can't skate and we loose every ot when he is on the ice
He has no second gear cause he don't care

 

[The Iceman]

5.5 million in goaltending is not bad. Ideally they can get rid of him without given up anything, otherwise its only money.

Murray at $8 million in salary due/$6 million to the new team, is not going anywhere for nothing.

 

[HockeyVirus]

I'd move Auston Mathews and Matt Murray to Phx for cap space a ltir player contract 1st rnd picks and 2nd rnd pick and C Connor Geekie

He doesn't play hard he's lazy can't skate and we loose every ot when he is on the ice
He has no second gear cause he don't care

What a take. An awful awful take.

 

[rocketman588]

When was Murray solid exactly?

The guy finished with a 0.903 sv%.

There is no world where that is even decent.

I mean, we make fun of Edmonton with freddy who had a better sv %. Was he also solid except for when he wasnt?

He was in mid implosion before his injury

 

[rocketman588]

You just made up some salaries that don't exist.

Cap hell is having Huberdeau at 10.5 or Kadri at 7, not Matthews at 14 (a made up number)



I can definitely say it is worse in 2018 with some long-term bad contracts and not as many good players.

The 2018 team had 1 bad long term contract which was Zeitsev

On forward our team now is literally the 4 (3 were there in 18) with one on a shit deal and the others needing to get paid. Knies and jarnkrok at Forward. So basically the same or possibly worse then what was there in 2018

On D it's Lily, Mo and a bunch of dudes on their way to the glue factory and breaking down. Which I guess is better then Mo and a bunch of glue factory guys

Goalie we're worse.

We also have no picks and still have only one NHL player out of our prospect pool ( despite all of the Dubas is a genius drafter takes)

Dubas was smart in one way and that's that he ran away right before the roof caved in on his career

 

[rocketman588]

Yes, I'd rather that.

A poll won't change my opinion.

List off the roster and the contracts if you are going to make a poll though.

If Murray is the worst contract when Zaitsev was a 7 year mess at the same hit, then I don't see how anyone chooses 2018.

Zaitsevs contract is less of a boat anchor then JTs

 

[Nineteen67]

Murray at $8 million in salary due/$6 million to the new team, is not going anywhere for nothing.

Then keep him.

 

[Martin Skoula]

The 2018 team had 1 bad long term contract which was Zeitsev

On forward our team now is literally the 4 (3 were there in 18) with one on a shit deal and the others needing to get paid. Knies and jarnkrok at Forward. So basically the same or possibly worse then what was there in 2018

On D it's Lily, Mo and a bunch of dudes on their way to the glue factory and breaking down. Which I guess is better then Mo and a bunch of glue factory guys

Goalie we're worse.

We also have no picks and still have only one NHL player out of our prospect pool ( despite all of the Dubas is a genius drafter takes)

Dubas was smart in one way and that's that he ran away right before the roof caved in on his career

Any of those 2023 glue factory guys would be #2 on the 2018 team comfortably. We’re paying 4 of them combined less than 1 Zaitsev on top of that. If we’re fully healthy some of the 2018 guys wouldn’t even have a top-4 spot on the Marlies.

 

[alliuk12]

Holl and 3 bags of pucks plus 200 sticks oh and keefe they can have keefe for freeee

 

[-DeMo-]

I don't really see many talking about a third option with Murray, I read everyone saying trade or buyout why not just keep him as the backup and run Woll as your starter and trade Samsonov for a young prospect either just about to make the jump to the NHL or going into his 2nd season. I would not buy him out and nor would I trade any assets to get rid of Murray. Samsonov had a solid season and not so great playoffs. with never knowing what your getting year to year from the majority of goalie's there's every bit of a chance he regresses back to the sub 900 goalie of 21-22 season. plus I believe Woll had a better overall year. Murray can backup and then sign a veteran third stringer for when Murray gets hurt. Murray could also potentially be a much better mentor for Woll given his expierences.

 

[Thornbury]

I don't really see many talking about a third option with Murray, I read everyone saying trade or buyout why not just keep him as the backup and run Woll as your starter and trade Samsonov for a young prospect either just about to make the jump to the NHL or going into his 2nd season. I would not buy him out and nor would I trade any assets to get rid of Murray. Samsonov had a solid season and not so great playoffs. with never knowing what your getting year to year from the majority of goalie's there's every bit of a chance he regresses back to the sub 900 goalie of 21-22 season. plus I believe Woll had a better overall year. Murray can backup and then sign a veteran third stringer for when Murray gets hurt. Murray could also potentially be a much better mentor for Woll given his expierences.

That would be a big risk. Woll could struggle as a #1 for the first time in his career, Murray could of course be injured, and then despite signing a decent veteran #3, you could could still be up the creek without a paddle. If I am Treliving as a first year Leafs GM, I'm not prepared to roll the dice on that one.

 

[Nineteen67]

I don't really see many talking about a third option with Murray, I read everyone saying trade or buyout why not just keep him as the backup and run Woll as your starter and trade Samsonov for a young prospect either just about to make the jump to the NHL or going into his 2nd season. I would not buy him out and nor would I trade any assets to get rid of Murray. Samsonov had a solid season and not so great playoffs. with never knowing what your getting year to year from the majority of goalie's there's every bit of a chance he regresses back to the sub 900 goalie of 21-22 season. plus I believe Woll had a better overall year. Murray can backup and then sign a veteran third stringer for when Murray gets hurt. Murray could also potentially be a much better mentor for Woll given his expierences.

I’ve been saying that all along. Why not use Kallgren as the third string or another waiver eligible goalie

During this rebuild/retool they need to find out if Woll is good enough to be a number 1 or do they hav3 to keep looking.
Samsonov is an RFA so he can walk.