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Injury Report: Matt Murray is day-to-day - Head Injury

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TheBeastCoast said:
So he gets LTIR'd next year yeah? Or just buy him out lol
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I think a buyout is something like 600k next year and 2 mil the year after against the cap. I swear if they waive Woll next year to keep Murray or if the lose Sammy next year to keep Murray that will be the last nail in the coffin for me with this team.

We were in dumpster fire area with this guy but now we are in dumpster fire with extra fuel ...

 
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Gary Nylund said:
Not true at all. I got a concussion from hitting my head on the ice around 1970, the public school nurse checked me out and told me I had a concussion. Again, this was a public school, not the Mayo clinic. Might be more accurate to say that often times people that ran hockey teams pretended not to know, but they knew.
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She must have been a hell of a nurse to diagnose a "concussion" before concussion pathology was clearly established.

"The sparse documentation of this data itself as it relates to concussion was largely subjective until the characterization of the tau protein in the 1970s, which resulted in the widespread establishment of concussion pathology shortly after." ... key word is WIDESPREAD​
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That characterization of the tau protein happened in May of '75 ...

The words punch drunk, bell run, jolted, thumped were more commonly used up until recently, the word concussion was not a commonly used word. In 1985, I was knocked out twice in the same game from two separate open ice, clean hits, my coach who was also my PE teacher, exact words were he "got his bell rung he will be fine." Clearly I was concussed, the standard symptoms blurred vision, nausea, brain fog, poor balance ... had 'em all. A trained, licensed PE teacher didn't know about concussions in 1985, I find your story a little convenient.
 
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She must have been a hell of a nurse to diagnose a "concussion" before concussion pathology was clearly established.

"The sparse documentation of this data itself as it relates to concussion was largely subjective until the characterization of the tau protein in the 1970s, which resulted in the widespread establishment of concussion pathology shortly after." ... key word is WIDESPREAD​
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That characterization of the tau protein happened in May of '75 ...

The words punch drunk, bell run, jolted, thumped were more commonly used up until recently, the word concussion was not a commonly used word. In 1985, I was knocked out twice in the same game from two separate open ice, clean hits, my coach who was also my PE teacher, exact words were he "got his bell rung he will be fine." Clearly I was concussed, the standard symptoms blurred vision, nausea, brain fog, poor balance ... had 'em all. A trained, licensed PE teacher didn't know about concussions in 1985, I find your story a little convenient.
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The only place I’ve ever heard stories like this is North America, in Europe it’s been common knowledge as far back as I can remember to take brain injuries seriously. It seems insane to me that more people know what to do in case they’re set on fire or find themselves in quicksand than realizing a cognition-altering brain injury is something to be cautious with.

You can call it dying or kicking the bucket, seems pretty clear to avoid it regardless of what words you use to describe it.
 
JT AM da real deal said:
Probably even more fair to say that no one wanted to have one either .. it was different times and a different culture especially in hockey .. the finger test was used to assess guys by trainers who basically had almost zero medical training .. and trainers and coaches helped keep guys in da lineup unlike today where guys are held out when medical people don't know if there is a concussion
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Yeah that's true too. Guys were like "I'm fine, let me get out there".

Hellcat said:
She must have been a hell of a nurse to diagnose a "concussion" before concussion pathology was clearly established.

"The sparse documentation of this data itself as it relates to concussion was largely subjective until the characterization of the tau protein in the 1970s, which resulted in the widespread establishment of concussion pathology shortly after." ... key word is WIDESPREAD​
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That characterization of the tau protein happened in May of '75 ...

The words punch drunk, bell run, jolted, thumped were more commonly used up until recently, the word concussion was not a commonly used word. In 1985, I was knocked out twice in the same game from two separate open ice, clean hits, my coach who was also my PE teacher, exact words were he "got his bell rung he will be fine." Clearly I was concussed, the standard symptoms blurred vision, nausea, brain fog, poor balance ... had 'em all. A trained, licensed PE teacher didn't know about concussions in 1985, I find your story a little convenient.
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All I know is I hit my head on the ice, was taken inside and at some point someone told me (or my mom, not sure) that I had a concussion. Funny what you remember but that was the first time I heard the word concussion so I remembered it. I'm not eve sure who it was, I just assume it was a nurse. Maybe it wasn't a commonly used word, that doesn't mean nobody used it.

I don't have any stake in this one way or the other so "convenience" isn't an issue LOL.
 
Martin Skoula said:
The only place I’ve ever heard stories like this is North America, in Europe it’s been common knowledge as far back as I can remember to take brain injuries seriously. It seems insane to me that more people know what to do in case they’re set on fire or find themselves in quicksand than realizing a cognition-altering brain injury is something to be cautious with.

You can call it dying or kicking the bucket, seems pretty clear to avoid it regardless of what words you use to describe it.
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We are / were kind of stupid in NA when it comes to health issues. It was / is more important to be a man (what we perceived to be a man) and not show weakness (perceived weakness) than it was to protect our health. No one in my circle, family, friends, coaches ever thought a bump to the head could cause cognitive issues decades later. It was just a bump to the head, shake it off and get back out there. Decades of football, rugby, hockey all kinda add up, I have days (not as frequently as I did right after the injuries) where I can't think of the word for common things, for example I look at a tree, I know its a tree but I can't say or get the word tree out of my mouth. It eventually comes to me and I say the word. Right after the injury something as simple as breakfast was a chore, I knew I had a routine when I woke up, just couldn't remember what the routine was, literally remembering to eat when I woke up was a victory. I knew I was hungry, I knew there was a solution to it, I couldn't remember how to get rid of my hunger. These symptoms were not every day, some days were worse than others, some days I woke up did my routine without thinking about it. Other days I was in a fog, some days it was for short periods other days it was for most of the day. No one thought that was health related issues back then, it was just a kid behaving oddly.
 
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Hellcat said:
We are / were kind of stupid in NA when it comes to health issues. It was / is more important to be a man (what we perceived to be a man) and not show weakness (perceived weakness) than it was to protect our health. No one in my circle, family, friends, coaches ever thought a bump to the head could cause cognitive issues decades later. It was just a bump to the head, shake it off and get back out there. Decades of football, rugby, hockey all kinda add up, I have days (not as frequently as I did right after the injuries) where I can't think of the word for common things, for example I look at a tree, I know its a tree but I can't say or get the word tree out of my mouth. It eventually comes to me and I say the word. Right after the injury something as simple as breakfast was a chore, I knew I had a routine when I woke up, just couldn't remember what the routine was, literally remembering to eat when I woke up was a victory. I knew I was hungry, I knew there was a solution to it, I couldn't remember how to get rid of my hunger. These symptoms were not every day, some days were worse than others, some days I woke up did my routine without thinking about it. Other days I was in a fog, some days it was for short periods other days it was for most of the day. No one thought that was health related issues back then, it just a kid behaving oddly.
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Funny you mention that I was walking with my wife on weekend in Jack Darling Park and she says to me every once in a while you seem to get stuck on a word .. in this case it was a big branch which had fallen on da path .. i said let me clear that piece of ...... wood .. she stops me and says what is that you are moving .. damn i could not for life of me remember da word branch .. I am sure it must be from all those nights I was sick and throwing up in hotel rooms across US from old fighting days .. i am really glad for kids today who don't have to live that hockey culture we lived through .. we were all so focused and determined to make da show that we listened/believed our coaches and dads who all said we had just gotten out bell wrung and it was no big deal
 
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JT AM da real deal said:
Funny you mention that I was walking with my wife on weekend in Jack Darling Park and she says to me every once in a while you seem to get stuck on a word .. in this case it was a big branch which had fallen on da path .. i said let me clear da piece of ...... wood .. she stops me and says what is that you are moving .. damn i could not for life of me remember da word branch .. I am sure it must be from all those nights I was sick and throwing up in hotel rooms across US from old fighting days .. i am really glad for kids today who don't have to live that hockey culture we lived through .. we were all so focused and determined to make da show that we listened/believed our coaches and dads who all said we had just gotten out bell wrung and it was no big deal
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FYP. ;)
 
JT AM da real deal said:
Funny you mention that I was walking with my wife on weekend in Jack Darling Park and she says to me every once in a while you seem to get stuck on a word .. in this case it was a big branch which had fallen on da path .. i said let me clear that piece of ...... wood .. she stops me and says what is that you are moving .. damn i could not for life of me remember da word branch .. I am sure it must be from all those nights I was sick and throwing up in hotel rooms across US from old fighting days .. i am really glad for kids today who don't have to live that hockey culture we lived through .. we were all so focused and determined to make da show that we listened/believed our coaches and dads who all said we had just gotten out bell wrung and it was no big deal
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I'm taking from your statement about your fighting days, you sustained a lot of head trauma? Sorry you had to go through that.
 
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Hellcat said:
I'm taking from your statement about your fighting days, you sustained a lot of head trauma? Sorry you had to go through that.
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There were so many old stupid rules in da CODE which was all a bunch of bunk .. one of da stupidest was day 1 of camp rooks had to fight da team goon to see if they had character to fight for their teammates .. most 17s took a beating at hand of some 20 year old(s) .. common practice til 90s with most O teams .. folks just don't realize what went on as there were a lot of hockey dirty little secrets
 
JT AM da real deal said:
There were so many old stupid rules in da CODE which was all a bunch of bunk .. one of da stupidest was day 1 of camp rooks had to fight da team goon to see if they had character to fight for their teammates .. most 17s took a beating at hand of some 20 year old(s) .. common practice til 90s with most O teams .. folks just don't realize what went on as there were a lot of hockey dirty little secrets
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Sorry you had to go through that. I knda have an idea it was not pretty back in the 80's and 90's ..

 
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JT AM da real deal said:
Highly unlikely he comes back until next year .. too risky to be putting him into a game in a few weeks in middle of playoffs .. well that signing was a total f*******
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It gave Samsonov the opportunity to grab the reins though. If Samsonov becomes our starter for the foreseeable future, then I think it was worth it.
 
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JT AM da real deal said:
Highly unlikely he comes back until next year .. too risky to be putting him into a game in a few weeks in middle of playoffs .. well that signing was a total f*******
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Possible, but if it was clear that was the case they would have just put him on LTIR so they could call up Woll without needing an emergency cap exemption and also call up Zahorna so they don't have play a man short tonight.
 
horner said:
Can we get rid of Murray now .
Don't even like hearing his name anymore.
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VanW27 said:
Possible, but if it was clear that was the case they would have just put him on LTIR so they could call up Woll without needing an emergency cap exemption and also call up Zahorna so they don't have play a man short tonight.
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Didn’t qualify for LTIR, with less than 10 games remaining in the season.
 
He has to be healthy in order to qualify for a buyout in the summer right? Could try LTIR but he might want to try and give it another go. Might not be ready for retirement. Won't be a easy contract to move with a back loaded deal and a partial ntc. Sigh.
 
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I’d much rather Robidas Island Murray than buy him out or pay another team to take him. I mean f*** the guy is injured so much it should be possible.
 
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