Player Discussion Mats Zuccarello Part II

[GoAwayPanarin]

Does anyone really even care what a hater of our Ranger players posts? If a hater wants to trade a Ranger player no matter if that player plays well or badly then its obviously personal hatred not to help the team.

I'm still over the moon about our huge victory last night. I'm totally content to let the hater continue to suck it and choke on his own poisoned bitterness.

Do you have like a bat signal every time someone says something "negative" about Zuccarello? It's borderline scary.

I hope you realize how dumb it sounds to call someone a hater in this instance. No one, and I mean no one who roots for this team is upset that your boy actually showed up yesterday.

What ever leads to the success of the team is cool with me, which is a concept that seems to be lost on the fanboy group (seriously, watching you guys assemble is really cute )

 

[trilobyte]

No one ever questions Zucc's effort. In fact, Zucc has set quite a standard for himself at this point. However, there were times in this series, (as well as during the regular season), where Zucc gets very careless with the puck. that's what Geoff is referring to.

Sure, but don't forget to factor in the good plays he made during the series. Key in on any player on any team and you will find some bad plays or decisions made. If isolating one player in a team environment as dynamic a sport as hockey is done, you are obligated to shine the good plays too.
I saw Patrick Kane turn over the puck a few times on one of the Blackhawks' cup runs. So what.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Do you have like a bat signal every time someone says something "negative" about Zuccarello? It's borderline scary.

I hope you realize how dumb it sounds to call someone a hater in this instance. No one, and I mean no one who roots for this team is upset that your boy actually showed up yesterday.

What ever leads to the success of the team is cool with me, which is a concept that seems to be lost on the fanboy group (seriously, watching you guys assemble is really cute )

If there is absolutely nothing a player can do to make you want to have that player on your team than you are the clear definition of a hater. I have great respect for our fans that actually root for and support our players. If that makes us "fanboys in your eyes that is great! Nice that you changed your term to "fanboy" now instead of using the mentally handicapped slur you have used many times in the past. Am I the only one that views you as a hater? Obviously not! In fact I did not even use your name nor quote your post and you immediately respond so you know full well you are a hater. Anyway you can continue to suck it and drown in your bitterness while "fanboys" celebrate our huge win last night!!!

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

]If there is absolutely nothing a player can do to make you want to have that player on your team than you are the clear definition of a hater.[/B] I have great respect for our fans that actually root for and support our players. If that makes us "fanboys in your eyes that is great! Nice that you changed your term to "fanboy" now instead of using the mentally handicapped slur you have used many times in the past. Am I the only one that views you as a hater? Obviously not! In fact I did not even use your name nor quote your post and you immediately respond so you know full well you are a hater. Anyway you can continue to suck it and drown in your bitterness while "fanboys" celebrate our huge win last night!!!

Maximizing value of said player prior to him declining is not the definition of a hater. Doing the opposite ends up poorly, look at G and Staal.

He's not 24 year old stud whose best hockey is in front of him.

The only ones who call me a hater are your fellow members in the Zucc can do no wrong birgade. Watching you guys get together is like watching the assembly of the saddest power ranger robot ever


PS: I'm happier about this win than you are Seems to me that you're just happy that Zucc contributed.

 

[GordonGecko]

Still think its funny when i read alot on twitter etc that NYR defense was good. They were a little better than earlier this season but this series win is all on Hank.

NYR defense was good, but most importantly the seismic shift was playing with structure which had the double benefit of clearing the lanes so Hank can see everything in front of him and he was able to be at maximum effectiveness once again

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Maximizing value of said player prior to him declining is not the definition of a hater. Doing the opposite ends up poorly, look at G and Staal.

He's not 24 year old stud whose best hockey is in front of him.

The only ones who call me a hater are your fellow members in the Zucc can do no wrong birgade. Watching you guys get together is like watching the assembly of the saddest power ranger robot ever


PS: I'm happier about this win than you are Seems to me that you're just happy that Zucc contributed.

I agree with this. Zuccarello is turning 30 this year. It is far more likely his production will drop than that it will remain the same. Maximize his value and trade for a younger player. We traded Brassard for Zibanejad which was great. I doubt we can get another slam-dunk return a year later, but I would not be surprised if he is traded. Same goes for McDonagh.

I am not saying we should trade for prospects, but trade for 23/24 year old players who can step in immediately. Guys like Stone, Zucker, Rakell etc. That category I would really love as a return. But, it isn't likely

 

[NickyFotiu]

PS: I'm happier about this win than you are

You keep telling yourself that little Deathstrike wannabe. Maybe like OJ you believe your own lies. Nobody with a brain that reads this board or our game threads will believe it though lol. Suck it hater!!!

 

[Mordeth]

Maximizing value of said player prior to him declining is not the definition of a hater. Doing the opposite ends up poorly, look at G and Staal.

He's not 24 year old stud whose best hockey is in front of him.

The only ones who call me a hater are your fellow members in the Zucc can do no wrong birgade. Watching you guys get together is like watching the assembly of the saddest power ranger robot ever


PS: I'm happier about this win than you are Seems to me that you're just happy that Zucc contributed.

How on earth would you know that?

And i agree with Nicky, certain posters seem either very jealous or very hatefull towards certain players. Some hate Girardi, some hate on Zucc. Can't do nothing about it.

Zucc had a good series, i think he can do better, but he was quite good throughout and was one of the few that showed up every game. Had some bad penalties, but beyond that he was good. Glad it ended with 2 goals and a massive NYR victory to seal the deal and go on to the next round. Zucc has really become one of the leaders of this team, just watch Nash's postgame interview from last night. And Staals comment about him standing up during the intermission. It speaks volumes.

I am sure we all want NYR to win, just wish people would stop being so negative and hateful.

 

[Idlerlee]

Maximizing value of said player prior to him declining is not the definition of a hater. Doing the opposite ends up poorly, look at G and Staal.

He's not 24 year old stud whose best hockey is in front of him.

The only ones who call me a hater are your fellow members in the Zucc can do no wrong birgade. Watching you guys get together is like watching the assembly of the saddest power ranger robot ever


PS: I'm happier about this win than you are Seems to me that you're just happy that Zucc contributed.

I watch every game the Rangers play during the regular and playoff season. I also participate in the GDT since they're a nice play to vent some steam during the game.

Doing that you will obviously notice a trend going around. One trend this season is you being especially hostile towards zucc, and jump on anyone calling you out on it labeling them with whatever the word of the day is to avoid the complaint.

Personally, I would have a much easier time understanding where you are coming from, if I didnt constantly see a stream of people complimenting zucc for something he did, then the next page I'll see you going "Zucc is garbage, and has been garbage for months". If people who call you out is the 'can do no wrong crowd', you certainly are the 'zucc can do no right Emperor'.

As for the '24' year old stud comment.

Peoples opinion on NHL player ages vary every time they have something to say.

"A Player does not enter his prime before he's 27"
"24 year olds are rookies, will take years to mature"
"Power Forwards dont bloom until they are 28"
"Players production go down when they are 29"
"We must trade to get younger" (We are the 7th or so youngest team in the nhl)
"Trade Zucc (29) for Shattenkirk (29) and give him a monster contract"

Like, its just all over the place. Every excuse to fit their own argument. Good to elite NHL players are good to elite until they get to at least 35.

Players with less mileage have a great chance at being highly productive until well past their mid 30s.

According the HFNYR. A players prime is between the ags of 27 and 29, after that timespan they must be traded to make room for a young guy we must develop the next 5 years so they can become as good and just maybe, better than the guy we traded away.

I dont have an opinion on what the return for Zucc will be, all I know is that the return we get wont replace what he brings.

 

[Inferno]

Zucc for trouba...either directly or indirectly.

Bring back Smith

Get girardi Holden Klein and Staal the hell off this roster

McD trouba
Skjei Smith
Graves bereglazov
Or some ufas if 2 rookies scare you...or keep one of the no thumb bums if u want a get back there

 

[Chaels Arms]

Vigneault said more positive things about Zuccarello in last night's postgame than I've ever seen him say about a player before. He called him a "competitive little bugger."

 

[Zucc36]

Vigneault said more positive things about Zuccarello in last night's postgame than I've ever seen him say about a player before. He called him a "competitive little bugger."

It´s obvious that Zucc is a really important guy off the ice also. He is becoming a leader for this team. He will never be a superstar that scores a point pr game. But he has proven to be a consistent 60 point player. Take his salary cut into account, and his personality in the locker room and you have a player that means a lot for a team. I would imagine he is a huge role model for the younger guys too.

I just cannot see Zucc getting traded, he is such an important asset to this team for such a low cost for the Rangers.

 

[GordonGecko]

Vigneault said more positive things about Zuccarello in last night's postgame than I've ever seen him say about a player before. He called him a "competitive little bugger."

Absolutely and I noticed the exact same thing. AV never gives anybody credit, even Hank. Just before he was asked about how well SMith was playing and he just punted the question. Then on ZUcc he went on and on about his value.

Zucc is way more than his stats, you need guys like him to win

 

[Miamipuck]

Absolutely and I noticed the exact same thing. AV never gives anybody credit, even Hank. Just before he was asked about how well SMith was playing and he just punted the question. Then on ZUcc he went on and on about his value.

Zucc is way more than his stats, you need guys like him to win

His stats are fine though. Usually when someone says it's not about stats, the players stats suck ----->Tanner Glass.

Zucc actually had a good series other than last night, where he was great. It took a game or two to get going but he was really good once he did. As far as trading him, fine if the right deal came along. I am just not sure what that deal would be though.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You keep telling yourself that little Deathstrike wannabe. Maybe like OJ you believe your own lies. Nobody with a brain that reads this board or our game threads will believe it though lol. Suck it hater!!!

The hell does this even mean?

Sorry I hurt your feelings with criticizing zucc though, as if that makes any sense.

A bit hostile for someone who is really enjoying last night's win

I watch every game the Rangers play during the regular and playoff season. I also participate in the GDT since they're a nice play to vent some steam during the game.

Doing that you will obviously notice a trend going around. One trend this season is you being especially hostile towards zucc, and jump on anyone calling you out on it labeling them with whatever the word of the day is to avoid the complaint.

Personally, I would have a much easier time understanding where you are coming from, if I didnt constantly see a stream of people complimenting zucc for something he did, then the next page I'll see you going "Zucc is garbage, and has been garbage for months". If people who call you out is the 'can do no wrong crowd', you certainly are the 'zucc can do no right Emperor'.

As for the '24' year old stud comment.

Peoples opinion on NHL player ages vary every time they have something to say.

"A Player does not enter his prime before he's 27"
"24 year olds are rookies, will take years to mature"
"Power Forwards dont bloom until they are 28"
"Players production go down when they are 29"
"We must trade to get younger" (We are the 7th or so youngest team in the nhl)
"Trade Zucc (29) for Shattenkirk (29) and give him a monster contract"

Like, its just all over the place. Every excuse to fit their own argument. Good to elite NHL players are good to elite until they get to at least 35.

Players with less mileage have a great chance at being highly productive until well past their mid 30s.

According the HFNYR. A players prime is between the ags of 27 and 29, after that timespan they must be traded to make room for a young guy we must develop the next 5 years so they can become as good and just maybe, better than the guy we traded away.

I dont have an opinion on what the return for Zucc will be, all I know is that the return we get wont replace what he brings.

You can't possibly know that. To be fair, neither do I.

None of us know when Zucc's play (or anyone else's) will fall off. I can point to many more players whose play has fallen off prior to 35 than after. If you want an example, just look at the last big UFA forward we signed.

Then again, you are the one who pitched a fit when people suggested moving Zucc for Trouba (which is a move that you'd be crazy not to make then and even crazier not to make now) so you're idea of a fair trade is probably not realistic.

Hes a very good player, but he's not irreplaceable. There are at least 4 forwards I would hold onto ahead of him, mostly because they play more important positions and haven't hit their prime years yet. Of all of our forwards, he'd probably bring back the biggest return in terms of assets that can help now and ones that can help in the future. I still to this day cannot understand why thats such a terrible stance to take for some people.

And no, he's not above criticism, no player is. When he sucks, I'll have no problem saying so. You or anyone else doesn't have to agree with that, but theres no need to get your panties in a twist when I do.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Personally, I move any other forward except maybe Buch and Kreider before I move Zuke. This guy is so damn good and he could even be the Captain if McD wasn't the best.

Hayes, Vesey and a pick for Trouba?

 

[broadwayblue]

Zucc for trouba...either directly or indirectly.

Bring back Smith

Get girardi Holden Klein and Staal the hell off this roster

McD trouba
Skjei Smith
Graves bereglazov
Or some ufas if 2 rookies scare you...or keep one of the no thumb bums if u want a get back there

That might be hard to pull off.

 

[broadwayblue]

Anyway, great game for Zucc. Funny how things work out though. He was the #1 star of the game, yet Price should have made the save on the first goal (and probably does 98% of the time on that shot) and Zucc completely missed the net on his second goal yet he got the lucky bounce off Price's left pad. At the end of the day a goal is a goal no matter how pretty, and those were two huge ones.

 

[Holocene]

He had a really good game 6, was buzzing all over the place with Hayes and Miller. Thought he was pretty average in games 1-5, certainly not our worst forward but definitely not as good as he was in game 6. Need to see that more often in the next round. Maybe he just missed his buddy Brass.

 

[Mordeth]

Anyway, great game for Zucc. Funny how things work out though. He was the #1 star of the game, yet Price should have made the save on the first goal (and probably does 98% of the time on that shot) and Zucc completely missed the net on his second goal yet he got the lucky bounce off Price's left pad. At the end of the day a goal is a goal no matter how pretty, and those were two huge ones.

The part of the point ive been trying to make is that he does more then stats show. Like the board work. Sure he didn't get 2 goals per game, but he had some chances and was unlucky on some of Price's saves. Yet that doesn't mean he had a bad game. Yesterday he had 2 goals, but its NOT the goals that in my opinion meant he had a good game. He had a good game besides those goals. And thats what he has been doing this entire series. Takeaways, boardwork, hustling, passing and defending. Yet people only notice him for positive comments after a big 2 goal game even tho he didn't play THAT different game 1-5.

 

[haohmaru]

I am not saying we should trade for prospects, but trade for 23/24 year old players who can step in immediately. Guys like Stone, Zucker, Rakell etc. That category I would really love as a return. But, it isn't likely

That's not what you said a couple of months ago

"Buy out Girardi, trade Staal and Klein for picks and we can have one awesome team next year. Ideally, we trade Zuccarello to LA for some prospects and picks and bring back Hunwick and Boyle "

 

[KingWantsCup]

It took me a long time to fully realize it, but I really believe that Zucc is the best leader the Rangers have had since Messier.

 

[haohmaru]

Who has suggested trading him for just draft picks? I don't think I've seen that once.

Then you haven't been looking. There have been quite a few suggesting picks/prospects etc...

I'm not really disagreeing with you - but I think he's got a huge value to THIS team for at least a few more years. Leading scorer this year, last year, spurs the team on, energy every shift, crazy fan base support, etc...

He's just not a guy I trade lightly. I don't think he's easy to replace.

 

[haohmaru]

Zucc is way more than his stats, you need guys like him to win

100% agree. I'm sure he'd bring back a lot in a trade but he's not a guy that's easy to replace. There's not a team in the league that wouldn't love to have him and it's unclear if the NYR can afford to lose him.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That's not what you said a couple of months ago

"Buy out Girardi, trade Staal and Klein for picks and we can have one awesome team next year. Ideally, we trade Zuccarello to LA for some prospects and picks and bring back Hunwick and Boyle "

I am 99.99% sure that was definitely not serious and a reference to someone else proposing that. I would never advocate bringing back Boyle haha