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Movies: Marvel Cinematic Universe Discussion - Part 4

Technically not MCU but at CinemaCon in Vegas, Aaron Taylor johnson revealed at Sony's event that the Kraven movie will be R-rated. They showed footage, which proved why. Moments included Kraven biting the other guy's eye out and spitting it at the camera, throwing a bear trap at someone's head and ripping that head off.
 
Mario_is_BACK!! said:
I really want to know who Kraven is for. And why anyone will care.
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Nobody except maybe hard core comic book geeks? I mean Sony is doing this as they hope to cash in on the MCU $$$ outside the Spider-Man movies. Personally though Venom was good, Venom 2 was meh and Morbius had few good parts. They have been talking about a Sinister Six movie since Garfield's second Amazing Spider-Man movie...

  1. Kraven the Hunter (2023) (unreleased/post-production)
  2. El Muerto (2024) (unreleased/development)
  3. Madame Web (2024) (unreleased/post-production)
  4. Venom 3 (TBA) (unreleased/pre-production)
  5. The Sinister Six (TBA) (unreleased/development)
  6. Spider-Woman (TBA) (unreleased/development)
  7. Hypno-Hustler (TBA) (unreleased/development)
 
i think kraven the hunter could be compelling as part of a spiderman movie in the mcu. but a solo kraven movie by sony? not very interesting, and this is someone that has read a fair number of spidey comic books with kraven (recently bought and read the well-regarded "kravens last hunt" comic book).
 
I dig Kraven, but I don't trust Sony at all. They just really don't seem like they know what the hell they're doing. Or maybe they just don't care? I know there are legal and contractual hurdles they face but still ...

That they're building toward a possible (but probably unlikely) Sinister Six movie is hilarious. Setting aside the fact that they still don't have a Spider-Man, they're taking every villain and making them anti-hero types. So are they going to be a Suicide Squad-style team of cool bad guys fighting someone/something even worse?

They're not making "sympathetic" bad guys as character choices, they're doing it because they don't have the will or ability to make a movie about the actual good guy who is supposed to be in these stories. So the bad guys have to be the good guys in their movies. (Yes I know Venom and Morbius play on both sides in comic lore but I assume Sony is going to stay on this track with Kraven and others...)

It's a fascinating bass-ackwards way to try to build a universe. And it's been kinda hilarious to watch.
 
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KallioWeHardlyKnewYe said:
I dig Kraven, but I don't trust Sony at all. They just really don't seem like they know what the hell they're doing. Or maybe they just don't care? I know there are legal and contractual hurdles they face but still ...

That they're building toward a possible (but probably unlikely) Sinister Six movie is hilarious. Setting aside the fact that they still don't have a Spider-Man, they're taking every villain and making them anti-hero types. So are they going to be a Suicide Squad-style team of cool bad guys fighting someone/something even worse?

They're not making "sympathetic" bad guys as character choices, they're doing it because they don't have the will or ability to make a movie about the actual good guy who is supposed to be in these stories. So the bad guys have to be the good guys in their movies. (Yes I know Venom and Morbius play on both sides in comic lore but I assume Sony is going to stay on this track with Kraven and others...)

It's a fascinating bass-ackwards way to try to build a universe. And it's been kinda hilarious to watch.
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Thing is both Venom and Morbius are former villains and now more anti heroes in the comics which is what they seem to be trying to lean on right now. Even Kraven, who is still usually the villain in a story has been portrayed as an anti hero at times and the same with El Muerto. Why exactly who knows other than money and keeping the rights maybe.
 
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Thing is both Venom and Morbius are former villains and now more anti heroes in the comics which is what they seem to be trying to lean on right now. Even Kraven, who is still usually the villain in a story has been portrayed as an anti hero at times and the same with El Muerto. Why exactly who knows other than money and keeping the rights maybe.
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I get that but what is that Sinister Six movie if:
1. You don't have a Spider-Man or
2. You actually do get a Spider-Man

Maybe it'll be Venom vs. The Sinister Six? Or something along those lines.

But right now based off the public plans it seems like their Sinister Six is either going to be Suicide Squad-style good guys or they're going to have to turn their good guys into bad guys.

Whatever it winds up being (if it ever happens) it all feels pretty silly to me.
 
beowulf said:
Nobody except maybe hard core comic book geeks? I mean Sony is doing this as they hope to cash in on the MCU $$$ outside the Spider-Man movies. Personally though Venom was good, Venom 2 was meh and Morbius had few good parts. They have been talking about a Sinister Six movie since Garfield's second Amazing Spider-Man movie...

  1. Kraven the Hunter (2023) (unreleased/post-production)
  2. El Muerto (2024) (unreleased/development)
  3. Madame Web (2024) (unreleased/post-production)
  4. Venom 3 (TBA) (unreleased/pre-production)
  5. The Sinister Six (TBA) (unreleased/development)
  6. Spider-Woman (TBA) (unreleased/development)
  7. Hypno-Hustler (TBA) (unreleased/development)
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The first Vemon was ok, but only because Tom Hardy saved it. The sequel was not as good, but only because Hardy and Harrelson saved it. Morbius was terrible.

They have so many good characters, but they can't do squat with them. I wish the rights would revert back to Disney
 
Quantumania widely panned negatively because of "superhero fatigue" - 50% RT
GOTG is the third in a sequence of superhero films - 77% RT

I mean again if I wanted to spend time analyzing what each critic said fine, but I don't have that kind of time.
 
I couldn't careless what critics think of movies considering most of them are biased and told to to push or put down certain movies
 
The fatigue is real. This all feels like killing time while waiting for Phase 6.

Also, to this point the Multiverse Saga is feeling considerably less culturally relevant than the Infinity Saga.
 
tarheelhockey said:
The fatigue is real. This all feels like killing time while waiting for Phase 6.

Also, to this point the Multiverse Saga is feeling considerably less culturally relevant than the Infinity Saga.
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They need to reboot the Xmen. I feel like it’s their only chance to make jaw dropping, must see films. Because everything since Endgame has felt like a “straight to VHS” type of movie if that makes sense to any of us 30+ year olds. If I can skip it in a movie theater and instead pay $7/month to stream it on D+ then there’s no way the quality will be the same as Phases 1-3.
 
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x Tame Impala said:
They need to reboot the Xmen. I feel like it’s their only chance to make jaw dropping, must see films. Because everything since Endgame has felt like a “straight to VHS” type of movie if that makes sense to any of us 30+ year olds. If I can skip it in a movie theater and instead pay $7/month to stream it on D+ then there’s no way the quality will be the same as Phases 1-3.
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Agreed on all points.

X-Men has the potential to be even better than the Avengers. Look at how much The Boys blew up with more or less the same plot concept.
 
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