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Well, I hate the NHL, and Brodeur and the trapping Devils nearly killed the NHL, so Brodeur, to finish the job
You aren't actually under the impression that all European countries are alike, right? What player out of Czechia has remained in Europe until their mid 20s despite being wanted in the NHL?European goalie who took a long time to come over vs european goalie who took a long time to come over.
Hasek came over at age 26 and still didn't become an NHL starter for another 3 years, why are we adding a half decade of presumed elite play to him before that
Unless you read the thread beyond the first post, I guess.
Hasek came over at 26. He still didn't become a starter until 29.You aren't actually under the impression that all European countries are alike, right? What player out of Czechia has remained in Europe until their mid 20s despite being wanted in the NHL?
Yes, he wasn't able to immediately dethrone Vezina level Eddie Belfour when he came over.Hasek came over at 26. He still didn't become a starter until 29.
Why are we assuming he could be a starter, let alone an elite goaltender, at an even younger age if he couldn't be one at ages 26, 27, or 28
Brodeur votes are for Devils fans and >25 year olds.
No amount of explaining how good Brodeur's puck handling was will change the mind of someone who witnessed both players.
You're wrong if you think that any goalie would have put up similar results, the trap worked so well for NJ because of Brodeur and his puck handling ability,
The gap between Marty and Dom as a goalie isn't nearly as massive as the gap between their puck handling skills was. Most people that just throw this fact away, have never seen a goalie handle the puck like Brodeur did.
People will never truly understand how much the Devils benefited from having Marty in the net, I watched it, felt like every time the other team dumped the puck in, Marty grabbed it and cleared the zone, this isn't something that every goalie 4-12 could do. In fact, none of them could.
Some guys were already elite NHL goalies at age 21 and didn't have to spend time in the minors at age 27Yes, he wasn't able to immediately dethrone Vezina level Eddie Belfour when he came over.
What about his play in Europe tells you that he wouldn't have been capable over being a starter at a younger age than 29?
Your friend seems like a smart guy!I'm a Hasek guy personally but...
...I have a friend who was a former 14-year NHL pro.
He echoes what you just said and swears Brodeur is the best goalie he ever played against.
Quiz time: Why was it impossible for Hasek to be an elite NHL goalie at age 21?Some guys were already elite NHL goalies at age 21 and didn't have to spend time in the minors at age 27
This is just silly. No rookie was coming in and taking Belfours jobSome guys were already elite NHL goalies at age 21 and didn't have to spend time in the minors at age 27
That's highly debatable. Lower? I'll give you that.I take Hasek. Far better AffairsWithFamilyMembers/60 rates than Brodeur.
That's highly debatable. Lower? I'll give you that.
Well considering the claim from hasek fans is that Hasek would have been a vezina caliber goalie (like broduer was in his early-mid 20s), yes I think expecting him to split starts from a vezina caliber goalie is reasonable, especially considering belfour was younger than him.Man, imagine coming over from behind the iron curtain where you've been the starter for your team in Czechia since you were 17, not immediately getting the starting position ahead of Ed Belfour who won the Vezina both that year and two years later, equalling Belfour's save percentage in year 2, getting traded and eclipsing the save percentage of other Vezina Trophy winner and established veteran Grant Fuhr, and then when he got the starting position as Fuhr got injured, put up a save percentage of .930, in one of the most dominant goaltending seasons ever...
And having people question whether you really had what it took to be a starter before age 29.
Quiz time: Why was it impossible for Hasek to be an elite NHL goalie at age 21?
A) He didn't have the talent
B) He couldn't possibly play 67 games in a single season
C) He was stuck behind the iron curtain
It's weird how the Blackhawks coaching staff didn't realize that Belfour was 3 months younger than Hasek and made the starting spot a true open competition.Well considering the claim from hasek fans is that Hasek would have been a vezina caliber goalie (like broduer was in his early-mid 20s), yes I think expecting him to split starts from a vezina caliber goalie is reasonable, especially considering belfour was younger than him.
Did you turn the < sign the wrong way? Otherwise I’m having a hard time reconciling this comment with the following:
Anyway, I actually think it’s a lot easier to make a case for Brodeur if you saw both players than if you didn’t. Statistically Hasek had the most dominant goalie peak of all time. His highlight reel is probably the best of all time, which means younger fans tend to actually understand how good he was. He seems to be the consensus GOAT goalie even among people who didn’t see him at all.
What younger folks might not know is how often Hasek managed to be in the middle of dressing room disruption, a lot of it serious enough to spill over into the public eye. He wasn’t necessarily the bad guy in every situation, but he kept managing to get himself involved in drama. And he became a team-hopper in the back half of his career, notably orchestrating his own trade out of Buffalo and ****ing over the organization in the process.
Those memories are not brought up very often, but they’re relevant to the specific question in this thread. It’s hard to imagine Hasek having a 20 year career anywhere. It wasn’t even a given that he’d last the 9 years in Buffalo. That’s a pretty big disadvantage against a guy who’s going to give you 21 seasons without the drama.
90s kids playing goalie always pretend they were Hasek
Do you think Brodeur would have still played "21 seasons without the drama" if he was standing on his head most nights but still losing games in Buffalo because they couldn't build a halfway decent team around him?
Brodeur had his situations too especially early on, like leaking the team's internal matters to the press when he didn't get to play or going on strike during the training camp as he demanded more money. In the end he arranged himself with Lamoriello, but as of 1995 when they won their first cup that was still very much in doubt.That’s a pretty big disadvantage against a guy who’s going to give you 21 seasons without the drama.