Martin Brodeur vs Dominik Hasek, who would you draft

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Who do you draft for a whole career?

  • Martin Brodeur

    Votes: 68 19.2%
  • Dominik Hasek

    Votes: 287 80.8%

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HugeInTheShire

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view them as more comparable. Hasek was another level. You could have thrown any of each seasons goalies from 4 thru 12 on the devils during brodeurs careers and gotten very similar results.
You're wrong if you think that any goalie would have put up similar results, the trap worked so well for NJ because of Brodeur and his puck handling ability,

The gap between Marty and Dom as a goalie isn't nearly as massive as the gap between their puck handling skills was. Most people that just throw this fact away, have never seen a goalie handle the puck like Brodeur did.

People will never truly understand how much the Devils benefited from having Marty in the net, I watched it, felt like every time the other team dumped the puck in, Marty grabbed it and cleared the zone, this isn't something that every goalie 4-12 could do. In fact, none of them could.
 

Hockey Outsider

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It's important to note that many people (myself included) believe that the save percentage statistic does not appropriately reflect Brodeur's situation in New Jersey, including but not limited to conservative shot counting in his home arena, and Brodeur's ability to limit an opponent's primary method of entering the offensive zone.

And GSAA is a direct descendant of save percentage (weighted by time played).

It's also important to note that it's not appropriate to compare a goaltender to average, because then an average goalie has "zero value". Anyone reading these boards during playoff time will know that many fans would (rightly) kill just to get average goaltending.

The appropriate comparator is "replacement level", and in this aspect, Brodeur gets additional credit even when he's "only" average.
Agreed. There's significant value in a goalie being average, or slightly above average, for an extended period of time. If nothing else, it prevents the team from having to a play a backup-calibre goalie.

See this thread. In terms of career value (looking at goals versus threshold), Hasek and Brodeur are nearly even. That tells me that, as a starting point, the initial poll is a reasonable question.

In terms of context - there are some factors, not included in the chart that I linked, that favour Brodeur. As you mentioned, it's been demonstrated that the Devils under-counted shots (which reduced Brodeur's save percentage, which is the basis for any GVT type calculation). It also doesn't take his excellent puckhandling into account. (I think Devils/Brodeur fans have tended to exaggerate these factors, but they're not trivial either). So Brodeur's 2% advantage in that table should really be somewhat higher.

On the other hand, it's very likely that Hasek would have been a good (or great) starting goalie, had he not been prevented from playing in North America by the Iron Curtain for most of his twenties. If we assume that Hasek was a league-average goalie from ages 20 to 25, playing 50 games per year, he would easily be the all-time leader in GVT (soaring past Martin Brodeur). This is based on speculation, of course, but it's obviously unfair to blame Hasek for geopolitical issues that prevented him from joining the NHL.

If I had to choose between drafting either goalie today? I'd take Hasek, and I wouldn't have the slightest hesitation. But if I had to make the decision 25 years ago, and I knew Hasek would be stuck in Europe until his late 20's, I'd probably go with Brodeur.
 

tarheelhockey

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Hasek is the better player, but unfortunately a bit of a headcase and his style was as close to a one-man show as it gets with a goalie. Brodeur was the extreme opposite, very stable, a team guy, whose style made him a key component within a total team structure.

I’d take Hasek for a single season, but this question is asking about whole careers — as a GM, I’d trust Brodeur before Hasek to be the centerpiece of a franchise’s long term build.
 

strattonius

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Brodeur votes are for Devils fans and >25 year olds. We will also include stat guys who like xgf, xgf, and player charts that give absolutely zero context - stat nerds basically who don't really like hockey, just like looking at graphs and charts.

Brodeur has a distinct advantage in the era he played in, as well as the organization he was a part of. I Dont question whether Brodeur is a hall of fame goaltender - he absolutely is. But is Brodeur the best goaltender of all time, and arguably a top 10 player in NHL history? Not even close; and Hasek is both of those things.

In hockey history we sometimes reflect back on the players that changed the game, or were pioneers of their craft. This group of players is very short, but anyone old enough will tell you that Dominik Hasek belongs on that list. No amount of explaining how good Brodeur's puck handling was will change the mind of someone who witnessed both players.

If you selected Brodeur in this poll, it is similarly off-base to selecting Niklas Lidstrom over Bobby Orr.
 

Albatros

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The team who drafted Hasek got 25 games of sub 0.900 goaltending from him.
The team who drafted Broduer got 20 years of excellence

You choose hasek over broduer as a GM and you probably end up fired before hasek even makes the NHL
Brodeur was .882 that same year, Hašek on par with Belfour who was the reigning Vezina winner.
 

SuperScript29

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Hasek was the better goalie, but if I'm drafting between the two I'm taking Brodeur, he was less wild in net and his stick handling among goalies was the best. Not to mention he was much more consistent and had a very long incredible career. I'd say he's probably the best to draft if you're looking for a legit franchise goalie.
 

Albatros

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A) broduer was 19 years old
B) the important part.

Broduer then proceeded to win 686 more games for the team that drafted him
Hasek then proceeded to win 0 more games for the team that drafted him
Hašek had 13 wins and 4 losses for the Blackhawks, that the team chose to go with the Calder, Jennings, and Vezina winner, Hart finalist Belfour had nothing to do with his lack of performance.
 
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nbwingsfan

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Brodeur even though I like Hasek way more. It's just not possible for me to ignore Hasek's injuries, and Brodeur's dependability.

Curious if something similar like Orr vs Bourque would have a similar result.

Edit: spelling
Like 6 years ago someone asked me if I would rather Bourque or Orr assuming the same career path and I still have yet to make a decision
 
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As a GM, tell your owner that you'll wait a decade for a maybe, at best slightly better goalie and see what they say.

From the first post:
"You get to draft one of the two to your favorite team right now"

What Iron Curtain-like situation do you think would currently "right now" be preventing a Czechia-based goaltender from joining the NHL immediately?

With that said, calling Hasek "maybe at best slightly better" tells me that you're not viewing this with a clear lens.
 

dgibb10

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From the first post:
"You get to draft one of the two to your favorite team right now"

What Iron Curtain-like situation do you think would currently "right now" be preventing a Czechia-based goaltender from joining the NHL immediately?
Yes, you get to draft them right now. And then Hasek doesn't play in the NHL for another decade. 90% of GMs don't last a decade. You'll be fired before hasek plays an NHL gams
 

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You're wrong if you think that any goalie would have put up similar results, the trap worked so well for NJ because of Brodeur and his puck handling ability,

The gap between Marty and Dom as a goalie isn't nearly as massive as the gap between their puck handling skills was. Most people that just throw this fact away, have never seen a goalie handle the puck like Brodeur did.

People will never truly understand how much the Devils benefited from having Marty in the net, I watched it, felt like every time the other team dumped the puck in, Marty grabbed it and cleared the zone, this isn't something that every goalie 4-12 could do. In fact, none of them could.
He was a good goalie as I indicated by goalies 4 thru 12. Yes he was the best puck handler. Trade him to buffalo and hasek to NJ. NJ never loses while buffalo would struggle to make the playoffs. Hasek literally carried them every season as far as he could
 

dgibb10

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Why do you insist on repeating this?
Would you like to simply dickride hasek?

What if he also didn't retire on a team with 9 (will be potentially 10 at some point if/when zetterberg gets in) HOFers leaving them out to lunch in 02-03. And yes, it took NINE other HOFers on the team for Hasek to win his only cup as a starter. And yes they still won with Chris Osgood in net.

Hasek quit on a superteam. He played for the best team of the 2000s, by far. And quit on them. So I don't want to hear any bullshit crying about the help hasek had.
 
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