Player Discussion Marner

[Confucius]

He’s a career over point a game player with and without Matthews so why are we sticcin them together spread the offense

Maybe Mathews needs the help

 

[Gabriel426]

Maybe Mathews needs the help

Well MM not helping AM much sofar this season, lol.

 

[Confucius]

Well MM not helping AM much sofar this season, lol.

Can’t deny that, matty will have a down year similar to Ovi putting in a 30 something season amongst his 50 something seasons. Thankfully we have Stolarz, William, Knies and Mich they will do the heavy lifting this year

 

[Antropovsky]

"Mitch Marner has 16 goals, 52 assists and a plus-minus of +16 in 56 games without Auston Matthews in his career"​

Only 56 games... in his career? Thus must be while Matthews was injured? Technically, he is
without him when they are on separare lines too.

And when he is not wjth Matthews, he was with the other Leaf #1 center, 11 million dollar Tavares. Oh no poor Marner had to play with Tavares when Matthews was hurt!

Dont look at the players some other great players play with every game. Like Kaprizov, Aho or someone like Hall in 2018.

 

[Gabriel426]

Can’t deny that, matty will have a down year similar to Ovi putting in a 30 something season amongst his 50 something seasons. Thankfully we have Stolarz, William, Knies and Mich they will do the heavy lifting this year

Honestly, I am at a point where I could careless what they do individually in the regular season.
Any of the Leafs could score 80 goals in the regular season but if they all collectively choke again in the first round, it really means nothing.

 

[Confucius]

Honestly, I am at a point where I could careless what they do individually in the regular season.
Any of the Leafs could score 80 goals in the regular season but if they all collectively choke again in the first round, it really means nothing.

Well it would be great to win a Cup. But if all we get is an entertaining season where we earn 100 points I’m happy and upbeat most of the winter

 

[Antropovsky]

Yes, playoffs is the obvious retort, and with good reason. We've seen encouraging signs from Marner every year during the regular season but you should know by now that it means nothing. Pumping this guys tires during the regular season only shows how gullible you are, best to drink your koolaid quietly.

He is desperate for a contract, of course hes playing every shift like its his last right now.. he wants to stay here. And no way he signs one with a limited no trade. Thing with Nylander is even when hes hardly trying he is producing. Marner needs to give 110% effort and even still hes not really generating scoring chances for his line.

Leafs have also learned that once Marner gets that NMC... there is nothing that will get him to waive. We are stuck with him for certain.

 

[Gabriel426]

Well it would be great to win a Cup. But if all we get is an entertaining season where we earn 100 points I’m happy and upbeat most of the winter

Cup or whatever for me.

 

[arso40]

It's frustrating seeing how good Matthews/Domi were last year and having Berube basically avoid them ever being together this season

If we can get a center at the deadline, we should reunite Matthews/Domi and let Marner play with the new acquisition. Spreads out the talent and will give us 3 really good lines

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Patches - Tavares - Nylander
McMann - XXX - Marner

If they get someone like Gourde that L3 suddenly becomes an elite matchup line that can score

Even swap Nylander and Marner doesn’t matter

 

[Antropovsky]

Even swap Nylander and Marner doesn’t matter

It does, Marner is too slow to play with fellow slow players Tavares and Patches.

 

[arso40]

He had a great game vs Boston, I thought he was the best player on the ice by a mile on both ends of the ice. He looks far more engaged physically this season, maybe it was the pressure getting to him or maybe culture change with Berube ? But I like his game so far, not the playoffs but I can't recall ever seeing Mitch engage with guys physically after the whistle and throw shots. Also Matthews coming to his defence vs Suter the other day was nice to see, that kind of stuff was unheard of from this team.

I gave him a lot of shit, i'll also give him credit where it's due. We all want the Leafs and Mitch to succeed for this team. Really hoping he can consistently play like that.


Willy and Auston are both shoot first guys, Marner is a great set up guy

They both can facilitate just fine without him let’s not act like they need him to generate offense

 

[francis246]

It's frustrating seeing how good Matthews/Domi were last year and having Berube basically avoid them ever being together this season

If we can get a center at the deadline, we should reunite Matthews/Domi and let Marner play with the new acquisition. Spreads out the talent and will give us 3 really good lines

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Patches - Tavares - Nylander
McMann - XXX - Marner

If they get someone like Gourde that L3 suddenly becomes an elite matchup line that can score

They can’t play Domi and Matthews together right now. We don’t have enough capable centers. Its been talked about at length an almost every podcast / radio show. Everyone loves the idea until you start trying to put lines together and it’s brutal. There just isn’t enough depth. You want to put a Knies - Matthews - Domi line together, they might be great offensively but they will be brutal defensively.

You want to keep Marner and Knies together as a pairing? Who the hell is centering that line? Without another center it’s just not possible. I think the leafs want to create 3 lines, but they need the next Ryan O’Reilly acquisition. Once they have that I think they role with these lines.

McMann - Matthews - Domi
Knies - xxx - Marner
Patches - Tavares - Nylander

Those are three balanced lines. My gut says Scott Laughton will be a maple leaf by the end of this year. Unless Fraser Minten proves he’s ready by the trade deadline

 

[Gary Nylund]

Honestly, I am at a point where I could careless what they do individually in the regular season.
Any of the Leafs could score 80 goals in the regular season but if they all collectively choke again in the first round, it really means nothing.

I've said this may times. Individual accomplishments are a nice cherry on top of the cake when the team has playoff success. But when the team keeps failing year after year, it's just empty calories which highlight the fact that there is no cake.

They can’t play Domi and Matthews together right now. We don’t have enough capable centers. Its been talked about at length an almost every podcast / radio show. Everyone loves the idea until you start trying to put lines together and it’s brutal. There just isn’t enough depth. You want to put a Knies - Matthews - Domi line together, they might be great offensively but they will be brutal defensively.

You want to keep Marner and Knies together as a pairing? Who the hell is centering that line? Without another center it’s just not possible. I think the leafs want to create 3 lines, but they need the next Ryan O’Reilly acquisition. Once they have that I think they role with these lines.

McMann - Matthews - Domi
Knies - xxx - Marner
Patches - Tavares - Nylander

Those are three balanced lines. My gut says Scott Laughton will be a maple leaf by the end of this year. Unless Fraser Minten proves he’s ready by the trade deadline

Do we have less capable centers than last season?

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Honestly, I am at a point where I could careless what they do individually in the regular season.
Any of the Leafs could score 80 goals in the regular season but if they all collectively choke again in the first round, it really means nothing.

Not for the fantasy hockey players and degenerate gamblers who forgot that the point of the game is winning.

 

[leafs in five]

Sorry - I have a life.

ok carry on then

 

[notDatsyuk]

Willy and Auston are both shoot first guys, Marner is a great set up guy

True, but Willy is also a great set up guy and Matty seems to play at least as well without Mitch.

 

[francis246]

I've said this may times. Individual accomplishments are a nice cherry on top of the cake when the team has playoff success. But when the team keeps failing year after year, it's just empty calories which highlight the fact that there is no cake.


Do we have less capable centers than last season?

I would say yes. Holmberg is considerably worse than he was last year and that seems to be the issue and we don’t have Dewer, Jarnkrok or Minten available. So I’d say yes, we are in a much worse spot Center wise than we were last year and no one to fill that 3 C role at the minute until Dewer at the very least is 100% healthy.

Right now we have Domi, Matthews Tavares, Kampf at center. I don’t know how you can look at that group of 4 and be like, we are going to move Domi to the wing and be okay while our next two replacements are currently injured. You need one of Dewer or Minten to be healthy at the very least and even if you’re hell bent on moving Domi to the wing and those two aren’t the solution, Jarnkrok has to be healthy

 

[Its not your fault]

Maybe Mathews needs the help

Does decent with Domi Burt Infact Domi last year most even strength assets next to only McDavid. Nylander seems they wanted him to show he can run a line. So really nothing to exotic for someone like Confucius to not realize it's more a Captain then a marner.

 

[mydnyte]

I'd really like to see the Leafs give Marner a shot at C ...he can more than handle the defensive side of it, and that can slide JT to #3C in overmatch situations.

Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Marner - Nylander
Pacioretty - Tavares - Robertson
Lorentz - Kampf - Reaves/Homberg

that 3rd line should overmatch most 3rd lines in the league.

I'd honestly prefer the below, as Marner and Nylander both 'want/need' the puck on their stick a lot

Pacioretty - Tavares - Nylander
McMann - Marner - Robertson

 

[AvroArrow]

Would you pay him 12M?

Marner generally has no issue lighting it up during the regular season when teams are tired and you get to play weaker teams and shinny hockey. He struggles when they force him to shoot by covering his teammates in the playoffs... well, because, he can't.

The playoffs have all been the same thing. Double Matthews, block the pass to the other linemate and let Marner beat the goalie - which he can't.

If Marner had a decent shot, he would be a lot harder to defend. Since he doesn't, he cripples his linemates because the other teams double Matthews and dare Marner to shoot and he can't. If Marner wanted to help the team and improve his game, he would take the same determination he took getting one of the highest paid RFA contracts of all-time and establish at least an an NHL average shot - but he doesn't. He just blames the media every playoffs.

Marner himself isn't a bad player, but when you factor in his contract demands, it's not worth it. If Marner is going to demand a raise (which is likely expected) I'd much rather just spend it on multiple players who score at a higher pace than 15G/82 games in the playoffs. Matthews had no problem scoring goals at an even higher pace last season with Max Domi.

I wouldn't even consider engaging in an extension discussion until after the playoffs. I agree fully, in the playoffs when checking is tighter his game isn't really effective. All I'm saying is he's shown a bit more fight this year and he isn't just letting guys bully him around in scrums and altercations after the whistle.

I wouldn't pay him more than Nylander unless he goes on some great playoff run that warrants it.

 

[thewave]

So happy we have Marner keeping that +1 going and making that 10.9m while our team has no C depth and Willy and Payches are keeping the reanimated corpse of the former captain JT going for now. Soon he will look like, and we may as well slap some skates on a robotic Chuck E Cheese.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I would say yes. Holmberg is considerably worse than he was last year and that seems to be the issue and we don’t have Dewer, Jarnkrok or Minten available. So I’d say yes, we are in a much worse spot Center wise than we were last year and no one to fill that 3 C role at the minute until Dewer at the very least is 100% healthy.

Right now we have Domi, Matthews Tavares, Kampf at center. I don’t know how you can look at that group of 4 and be like, we are going to move Domi to the wing and be okay while our next two replacements are currently injured. You need one of Dewer or Minten to be healthy at the very least and even if you’re hell bent on moving Domi to the wing and those two aren’t the solution, Jarnkrok has to be healthy

Ok so put Domi with Matthews once Jarnkrok's healthy, works for me.

 

[666]

One goal was a point shot with mcavoy doing all the work for Willy

An open net goal after Carle felt alone on the ice and gave up a free 2v1. Nylander
just had to shoot it in a half empty net...

The only goal Nylander scored last 3 year against any top 6 line at 5v5 is a shot from a pretty bad angle gm 5 vs florida...

Last 4 game Nylander goy 4 goal 1 assist vs 1 goal 4 assist for Marner...

2 of those goal was actually basically empty net goal with Rielly/Tavares doing everything with nylander just sent free puck in open net

1 was actually a missed pass who hit Carlo....

Did that really make him better than Marner...

When you're focusing on only one part and forget everything else, you don't get a pretty good picture.

Yes Marner had not be enough good in playoff but sorry nobody had been enough good and need to raise their game. When people said Marner would struggling into Berube system, i was sure it would not be the case and would just help Marner to simplify his game and i tought it would be the player with the highest positive impact. This season, sorry it's marner who was carrying the 1st line, certainly not Matthews who had been pretty easily the worst player of core 4 this season.

No Marner playing great hockey, let see what will happen in playoff in a new system ( whos for me a better fit for marner style). Everybody have something to prove!!

You won't get a response to this from the hater cult. They will ignore it like they always do when presented with facts. They have no interest in debate, logic or reason. It's all about hate. Reminds me of something that's recently been in the news .....

 

[francis246]

So happy we have Marner keeping that +1 going and making that 10.9m while our team has no C depth and Willy and Payches are keeping the reanimated corpse of the former captain JT going for now. Soon he will look like, and we are may as well slap some skates on a robotic Chuck E Cheese.

Lmao now we’re blaming players for the lack of center depth? That’s strictly on the GM and the organizations inability to draft and develop centermen. That has nothing to do with the players. GM’s are responsible for putting together a competitive roster not the players.

 

[francis246]

Ok so put Domi with Matthews once Jarnkrok's healthy, works for me.

Completely agree with that. My whole point was saying that even if they want to do it, right now with the injuries it’s not even a consideration. Not that they can’t ever do it. It just makes the rest of the lineup weaker and unbalanced right now. But once Dewar is healthy or Minten tbh I’d love to see them go to 3 lines with each big boy driving their own line.

Mitch is more than capable, we saw it two years ago with Tavares - O’Reilly - Marner. That line was money in their short sample size.