Player Discussion Marner

[ACC1224]

Is there off ice shooting %?

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For relevance what would be a normal shooting % for Matthews or Nylander?

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Is there off ice shooting %?

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The team's shooting percentage when the player is on the bench?

It shouldn't be that hard to calculate. Shooting percentage is determined by dividing goals by shots on goal. So just take (total number of team goals - number of goals scored when player x is on the ice) ÷ (total number of team shots - number of shots when player x is on the ice).

That should give you the shooting percentage of the team when player x is off ice.

 

[notbias]

Is there off ice shooting %?

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Nylander: 7.65%
Tavares: 8.37%
Pacioretty: 9.81%
McMann: 9.05%
Matthews: 11.43%
Marner: 11.49%
Knies: 10.84%

The team average is 10.57%.

I think the Pacioretty/Nylander/Tavares line has looked amazing, so not knocking them.

Just the first line has had some bad "puck luck".

I expect them to be the top line still.

 

[ULF_55]

The team's shooting percentage when the player is on the bench?

It shouldn't be that hard to calculate. Shooting percentage is determined by dividing goals by shots on goal. So just take (total number of team goals - number of goals scored when player x is on the ice) ÷ (total number of team shots - number of shots when player x is on the ice).

That should give you the shooting percentage of the team when player x is off ice.

My guess that is team shooting percentage without player(s) X.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

My guess that is team shooting percentage without player(s) X.

Unless player x is Matthews it's probably just gonna be close to team shooting percentage anyway is my guess.

 

[ULF_55]

Nylander: 7.65%
Tavares: 8.37%
Pacioretty: 9.81%
McMann: 9.05%
Matthews: 11.43%
Marner: 11.49%
Knies: 10.84%

The team average is 10.57%.

I think the Pacioretty/Nylander/Tavares line has looked amazing, so not knocking them.

Just the first line has had some bad "puck luck".

I expect them to be the top line still.

They are supposed to be the top line.

Once Matthews gets his shot back he should ramp up that line's scoring.

 

[Antropovsky]

Matthews shooting percentage is less than half his historical average. His takeaways are the lowest they've been. He's been uneven defensively. If he was near his normal averages Marner would be top 10
In scoring.

Also, all the Marner playoff talk, Matthews scored in one game his last two playoff series. Things don't occur in isolation and blame focused on one player is bullshit analysis. Having said that, Marner needs to do much more come playoffs. As far as this season goes, he's been rock steady so far, despite his line mate being sub par.

Yep... it's a conspiracy against Marner! The entire hockey world thought he was bad in the playoffs but conveniently ignored Matthews struggling too, right? People who actually know hockey can easily differentiate the significant difference between Marner's and Matthews' play and abilities.

As I've pointed out numerous times, reporters using advanced stats have shown that Marner's distance from the net in the playoffs made it challenging for Matthews to produce points. Additionally, Marner's lack of playoff goals, also tied to his distance from the net, further impacted Matthews' ability to score. Meanwhile, Matthews' stats (slot shots, distance to the net) either improved or stayed consistent, while Marner's declined dramatically. Then there is the two pulling the chute videos of Marner and none of Matthews.

 

[Dekes For Days]

reporters using advanced stats have shown that Marner's distance from the net in the playoffs made it challenging for Matthews to produce points. Additionally, Marner's lack of playoff goals, also tied to his distance from the net, further impacted Matthews' ability to score.

Nobody showed any of that.

 

[Antropovsky]

Nobody showed any of that.

for the 1000th time....

Here it is:

Thoughts after Toronto’s Game 3 loss: Go to the net, Mitch​

When the Leafs lost in last year’s playoffs, I wrote about how their core players struggled to get in close to the net. But really, Marner was a wild outlier compared to the other three. These were their average shot distances (measured in feet from the net on average) in last year’s playoffs, compared to the regular season:


It's also tough to make sense of Matthews' dried-up point totals, but what really dropped were his primary assists, which went from 1.16 (per 60) to 0.48. Hindsight is 20/20, but seeing how far Marner was living from the net in the above stats,

Thoughts after Toronto's Game 3 loss: Go to the net, Mitch

After Toronto's Game 3 loss at home to Boston, Justin Bourne shares his takeaways from the game, including how to get Mitch Marner going, why TJ Brodie should draw into the lineup, and more.

www.google.com

Why Maple Leafs fell short again and what to do with Matthews, Marner

So another disappointing end to a Maple Leafs season comes with huge off-season questions. Justin Bourne looks at exactly why this year's group fell short again, and explores what it should mean for Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, and more.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Antropovsky]

Nobody showed any of that.

Not to mention, both Paul Bissonnette and Kelly Hrudey were so outraged with Marner's effort that they put together a video montage of his poor play and blasted him for it.

 

[Dekes For Days]

for the 1000th time....

Yeah, for the 1000th time, nobody showed any of that. What you're repeatedly posting is an opinion piece that includes showing a couple very specific generic microstats, but the writer doesn't understand the microstats, how they were formed, what they represent, or what they are supposed to be used in conjunction with, and he misuses them in isolation to take wild leaps to completely unrelated conclusions that he never actually supports. Which you then stretch to even wilder conclusions.

 

[Antropovsky]

Yeah, for the 1000th time, nobody showed any of that. What you're repeatedly posting is an opinion piece that includes showing a couple specific microstats showing very, very specific things (not what you claimed), but the writer doesn't understand the microstats, how they were formed, or what they represent, and he misuses them in isolation to take wild leaps to completely unrelated conclusions that he never actually supports.

You've already been caught being dishonest. First, you claimed nobody said it. Now, you're admitting it was said, but you're shifting your argument from "nobody said it" to "they're using the data wrong."

This is exactly why the things you say can't be believed or trusted.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You've already been caught being dishonest. First, you claimed nobody said it. Now, you're admitting it was said, but you're shifting your argument from "nobody said it" to "they're using the data wrong."

No, I said nobody showed it. Which is true. Nobody has shown the things you said. What you have provided is a person jumping to a similar conclusion without showing it, while showing something else incorrectly.

 

[Antropovsky]

No, I said nobody showed it. Which is true. Nobody has shown the things you said. What you have provided is a person jumping to a similar conclusion without showing it, while showing something else incorrectly.

Lol... so they did "show it" but you dont agree that it is correct information?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Lol... so they did "show it" but you dont agree that it is correct information?

They didn't show it. They randomly concluded something similar after incorrectly showing something else entirely. There is no evidence that "Marner's distance from the net in the playoffs made it challenging for Matthews to produce points" or that "Marner's lack of playoff goals" were "tied to his distance from the net", or that any of this "impacted Matthews' ability to score".

 

[GoonieFace]

 

[Antropovsky]

They didn't show it. They randomly concluded something similar after incorrectly showing something else entirely. There is no evidence that "Marner's distance from the net in the playoffs made it challenging for Matthews to produce points" or that "Marner's lack of playoff goals" were "tied to his distance from the net", or that any of this "impacted Matthews' ability to score".

Lol uh huh... and this article attached below where the author uses advanced stats to indicate Marner collects empty points and that his impact is only slightly better than an AVERAGE player and that he has a negative effect on goal creation?

Let me guess just another reporter who knows nothing?

Add this to the reporter you just saif doesnt understand afvanced stats. Kelly Hrudey not knowing hockey, Paul Bissonnette too.

Jeez ALL these people just out to get Marner... making up their info. what a Witch Hunt!

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5212957/2024/01/19/mitch-marner-maple-leafs-points/

 

[ACC1224]

Spittin' Chiclets on Instagram: "Biz issues his apologies to Paul and Mitch Marner, and sees a BIG year coming for Mitch. Presented by @pinkwhitney"

6,908 likes, 352 comments - spittinchiclets on October 2, 2024: "Biz issues his apologies to Paul and Mitch Marner, and sees a BIG year coming for Mitch. Presented by @pinkwhitney".

www.instagram.com

 

[Dekes For Days]

Let me guess just another reporter who knows nothing?

They know bashing Marner gets clicks, and how to get people to spread their articles. They know most of the public won't understand these stats either, and just blindly defer to their conclusions. They don't know how to use the stats correctly, or what they mean, but they don't care about actually getting it right.

 

[Antropovsky]

They didn't show it. They randomly concluded it after incorrectly showing something else.

Oh, don’t forget this video of a Sportsnet reporter using advanced stats to indicate Marner is overrated and that his scoring chance-generating plays are actually substantially lower than Tavares, Nylander, and Matthews:



Oh yeah, you already said his data is wrong too.

BIssonette calling out Marner:


Hrudey blasts Marner:




Wow... all these ruthless slimy reporters trying to get clicks at the expense of poor Marner!

 

[francis246]

That all makes sense, sounds like he was prepared to be moved because his NMC hadn't kicked in and he couldn't stop it. So sure, he was willing to be traded when he had no say in the matter but that's not the same as him waiving his NMC. We may never know if Dubas was preparing to move him or not but if he was, I sure wish he was still here. I feel like with a couple of useful ~5M players instead of Marner we would have easily got past Boston last spring and who knows what the roster might look like today.

We won’t ever know, but I do think Dubas was more in the camp of trading Marner. Now that details have been coming out. It feels like Marner was why there was a big blow up and why Dubas was so scummy at the end trying to blindside the guy who helped me get into the NHL.

We know it wasn’t the Knies deal because Friedman reported Dubas was never going to do that deal. So it makes sense that Dubas wanted to trade one of Marner or Nylander and that was not received well by Shanahan. That’s my hypothesis, I don’t think Dubas ever had the green light to trade those guys after Kadri was botched.

 

[francis246]

Spittin' Chiclets on Instagram: "Biz issues his apologies to Paul and Mitch Marner, and sees a BIG year coming for Mitch. Presented by @pinkwhitney"

6,908 likes, 352 comments - spittinchiclets on October 2, 2024: "Biz issues his apologies to Paul and Mitch Marner, and sees a BIG year coming for Mitch. Presented by @pinkwhitney".

www.instagram.com

Lmao biz always says shit for clicks, there’s a zero percent chance he believes any of what he said but that clip will go viral. It was the same with his Marner rant in the playoffs

 

[IPS]

Oh, don’t forget this video of a Sportsnet reporter using advanced stats to indicate Marner is overrated and that his scoring chance-generating plays are actually substantially lower than Tavares, Nylander, and Matthews:



Oh yeah, you already said his data is wrong too.

BIssonette calling out Marner:


Hrudey blasts Marner:




Wow... all these ruthless slimy reporters trying to get clicks at the expense of poor Marner!

Has to be the most hilarious victim complex I've ever seen.

Yet this doesn't seem to be a thing with Matthews or Nylander, not even a little bit. Why is that?

 

[ACC1224]

Lmao biz always says shit for clicks, there’s a zero percent chance he believes any of what he said but that clip will go viral. It was the same with his Marner rant in the playoffs

Of course not, the things people lean on as 'proof' is pretty funny. Shirley they can't be that naive, probably more the froth has clouded any sense of reason.

 

[ULF_55]

Has to be the most hilarious victim complex I've ever seen.

Yet this doesn't seem to be a thing with Matthews or Nylander, not even a little bit. Why is that?

No idea.

We do know all of them can be better.
We do know all of them should be better.

None of them are perfect.

If one were to speculate, it is because one of the three has the thinnest skin. You know that party will take the hook.