Player Discussion Marner

[Gary Nylund]

I never said they aren’t an issue. I said players can be convinced to waive over time. Every situation is different but It’s happened before and players have different pressure points. Tampa forced the defenseman I forget his name right now to waive to Nashville.

Also what does that have to do with Huberdeau? As I mentioned he didn’t have one, so the team could move him freely.

In the Marner situation we have the Jonas segal reports that Marner was willing to waive his NMC two off-seasons ago after the Florida series, the leafs didn’t pounce on that opportunity. Now he doesn’t want to waive or wasn’t asked. Ultimately if the teams don’t act it’s their fault. The leafs could have moved off Marner two years ago and anytime before that they didn’t want to. It’s as simple as that. Now they are caught in between a rock and a hard place. Do I think Marner is going to waive in a contract year? No. Would he waive in the middle of a long term deal? I think that’s more likely

All I heard was rumors, and most of that talk was this summer, not after the Florida series. As far as I know it's all speculation, this is his home town, he seems to love it here and I doubt he was ever willing to waive.

 

[francis246]

Even to add on, people act like Zito was shopping Huberdeau. A star player requested a trade and gave two options of where he’d sign long term. Florida and St. Louis. Huberdeau was just the price of acquiring a player that wanted to go there. Huberdeau was more than likely not going to be traded if Tkachuk didn’t want to be a panther.

All I heard was rumors, and most of that talk was this summer, not after the Florida series. As far as I know it's all speculation, this is his home town, he seems to love it here and I doubt he was ever willing to waive.

Seigal wrote an article in June of 23 I believe? I believe it to be true. The Marner car jacking has happened what a year before? I think he might have been ready for a change at that point in his life. I think we all have moments where maybe the grass feels like it could be greener somewhere else. I feel that year of his life may have been that point for him

 

[francis246]

All I heard was rumors, and most of that talk was this summer, not after the Florida series. As far as I know it's all speculation, this is his home town, he seems to love it here and I doubt he was ever willing to waive.

I found the athletic article, can’t post cause it’s subscription but it was after the Boston series this year, Siegel wrote the article talking about trading Mitch. In that article, he mentions Mitch was prepared for the possibility to be moved last off-season(which was after the florida series) and the leafs didn’t move him. So it sounds like Mitch after Florida was okay with being moved or accepted that a trade was coming and it never came. Who knows maybe leafs couldn’t find a trade partner or they decided to keep him. Or as I predicted before that move was stopped due to Kyle Dubas being fired and Brad reevaluating things.

 

[ACC1224]

I found the athletic article, can’t post cause it’s subscription but it was after the Boston series this year, Siegel wrote the article talking about trading Mitch. In that article, he mentions Mitch was prepared for the possibility to be moved last off-season(which was after the florida series) and the leafs didn’t move him. So it sounds like Mitch after Florida was okay with being moved or accepted that a trade was coming and it never came. Who knows maybe leafs couldn’t find a trade partner or they decided to keep him. Or as I predicted before that move was stopped due to Kyle Dubas being fired and Brad reevaluating things.

Wasn't 'he prepared' because he didn't have trade protection at the time?

 

[Dekes For Days]

who the hell said that?

Nobody.

How much money did Marner miss out on with regards to being denied performance bonuses on his rookie deal?

The B performance bonuses that he was denied are worth up to 2m per year.

Do you know if it was the norm for 4th overalls to get this in their contract ?

Yes, it was standard practice. Lou had some weird personal hatred of them and told Marner that he would never give them out, so Marner signed, and then Lou turned around and immediately gave them to Matthews.

 

[arso40]

Marner will be the top guy in points when the season is over. I expect a fantastic year once he gears up.

Still not sure if i want him on the team. Feels wierd.

He gets the most ice time he plays in all situations on the top lines for that matter I don’t doubt it

 

[Dekes For Days]

The Huberdeau and Marner situations are not the same and you continuously reference it.

Funniest part is that Marner is the Tkachuk in that comparison. A mid-20s star winger who many incorrectly believed was bad in the playoffs because all they looked at was small sample playoff production discrepancies without context.

 

[francis246]

Wasn't 'he prepared' because he didn't have trade protection at the time?

His trade protection activated that summer. So it depends on when Jonas was fed the info. He wasn’t clear timeline and he wrote the article a year after, so it’s very vague. But yes it could be.

 

[Smif]

Updated. Tavares now has 1 less point, and 1 more 5 on point than Marner.

Where's the Matthews vs Tavares comparison? Imo it's quite clear that Matty has been the one not playing up to expectations, if he was converting on his chances the 1st line would be blowing the 2nd line away in points.

 

[ACC1224]

His trade protection activated that summer. So it depends on when Jonas was fed the info. He wasn’t clear timeline and he wrote the article a year after, so it’s very vague. But yes it could be.

That was my understanding.

 

[Smif]

Afan of winning a Stanley Cup, perhaps? Guess you missed the playoffs, especially the last few, when Marner has been called out by former players, the media, fans, and even his own management for not being nearly good enough.

Couldn’t be fans on this board tired of seeing the same thing in the playoffs, right?

If this small Marner Fan Club were Panthers fans, they would've thought 115 point Huberdeau should never been traded—and you’d be calling anyone who thought he should be “not a real fan.”

Those same former players, media, and management call him out when he's not playing well, they don't bring up this nonsense after a good game and a fantastic team win where everyone played well.

 

[DarkKnight]

Where's the Matthews vs Tavares comparison? Imo it's quite clear that Matty has been the one not playing up to expectations, if he was converting on his chances the 1st line would be blowing the 2nd line away in points.

Matthews shooting percentage is less than half his historical average. His takeaways are the lowest they've been. He's been uneven defensively. If he was near his normal averages Marner would be top 10
In scoring.

Also, all the Marner playoff talk, Matthews scored in one game his last two playoff series. Things don't occur in isolation and blame focused on one player is bullshit analysis. Having said that, Marner needs to do much more come playoffs. As far as this season goes, he's been rock steady so far, despite his line mate being sub par.

 

[HarryLime]

id rather lose him for nothing than extend him

 

[Confucius]

I found the athletic article, can’t post cause it’s subscription but it was after the Boston series this year, Siegel wrote the article talking about trading Mitch. In that article, he mentions Mitch was prepared for the possibility to be moved last off-season(which was after the florida series) and the leafs didn’t move him. So it sounds like Mitch after Florida was okay with being moved or accepted that a trade was coming and it never came. Who knows maybe leafs couldn’t find a trade partner or they decided to keep him. Or as I predicted before that move was stopped due to Kyle Dubas being fired and Brad reevaluating things.

Well his nmc didn’t kick in until. July1st, so after the series with Florida he didn’t have one. I’d bet he wasn’t willing to be traded by July 2nd. Lol

 

[Gary Nylund]

I found the athletic article, can’t post cause it’s subscription but it was after the Boston series this year, Siegel wrote the article talking about trading Mitch. In that article, he mentions Mitch was prepared for the possibility to be moved last off-season(which was after the florida series) and the leafs didn’t move him. So it sounds like Mitch after Florida was okay with being moved or accepted that a trade was coming and it never came. Who knows maybe leafs couldn’t find a trade partner or they decided to keep him. Or as I predicted before that move was stopped due to Kyle Dubas being fired and Brad reevaluating things.

That all makes sense, sounds like he was prepared to be moved because his NMC hadn't kicked in and he couldn't stop it. So sure, he was willing to be traded when he had no say in the matter but that's not the same as him waiving his NMC. We may never know if Dubas was preparing to move him or not but if he was, I sure wish he was still here. I feel like with a couple of useful ~5M players instead of Marner we would have easily got past Boston last spring and who knows what the roster might look like today.

 

[CapspaceKiller]

He'll be the 3rd best player on the top line by the end of the year.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Matthews shooting percentage is less than half his historical average. His takeaways are the lowest they've been. He's been uneven defensively. If he was near his normal averages Marner would be top 10
In scoring.

Also, all the Marner playoff talk, Matthews scored in one game his last two playoff series. Things don't occur in isolation and blame focused on one player is bullshit analysis. Having said that, Marner needs to do much more come playoffs. As far as this season goes, he's been rock steady so far, despite his line mate being sub par.

Sure, blame Marner's play on Matthews. Don't credit the Hart/Lindsay/Rocket winner with helping Marner put up assist numbers when things are going well as they almost always are during the regular season, but instead, blame him for dragging him down, that makes sense. Good objective insight there bud, thanks for your contribution.

Lots of players are getting blamed for their disappointing play in the playoffs, if you think the blame is focused on Marner then you really need to get out more my good man. Or keep sitting behind your computer and maybe just take a peek at some other threads, you know, the ones without "Marner" in the title.

As far as this season goes, regular season has never been the problem with Marner so it's mostly irrelevant. But hey, if you've forgotten about how bad he was in the playoffs and want to heap praise on him for being "rock steady" in October, you do your thing.

id rather lose him for nothing than extend him

Unless he kills it in the spring, I agree completely.

Well his nmc didn’t kick in until. July1st, so after the series with Florida he didn’t have one. I’d bet he wasn’t willing to be traded by July 2nd. Lol

+1

 

[Mess]

Mitch Marner's Reps Reportedly Air Concerns About Marner Being Overplayed by the Leafs​

The problem for Marner's camp isn't that he's playing over 21 minutes per game, it's that on 4 occasions in the team's first 10 games, Marner has played well over 22 minutes, including a season-high 26:12 against Boston last weekend.

Recently, Berube addressed Marner's ice time, stating that since Marner is such an excellent penalty killer and also a primary power play contributor, it's really easy to overplay the versatile winger and that sometimes, like last Saturday, he goes a little overboard and doesn't control Marner's ice time as much as he maybe should. However, now that he's aware that it's an issue, the ice time should begin to come back down to earth a little bit -- especially with William Nylander not only wanting more ice time, but also expressing an interest in becoming a penalty killer, as he was at times last season.

Marner, being in a contract year, should probably relish the extra opportunities he's being given. Additional ice time could lead to additional production, which could inflate his value. His representatives pushing for less ice time may end up being counterproductive in the long run, perhaps his reps just don't want to risk injury, which could impact his overall value negatively.

 

[ACC1224]

He'll be the 3rd best player on the top line by the end of the year.

Possibly but I wouldn't expect they'll move Marner away from Matthews.

Mitch Marner's Reps Reportedly Air Concerns About Marner Being Overplayed by the Leafs​

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The problem for Marner's camp isn't that he's playing over 21 minutes per game, it's that on 4 occasions in the team's first 10 games, Marner has played well over 22 minutes, including a season-high 26:12 against Boston last weekend.

Recently, Berube addressed Marner's ice time, stating that since Marner is such an excellent penalty killer and also a primary power play contributor, it's really easy to overplay the versatile winger and that sometimes, like last Saturday, he goes a little overboard and doesn't control Marner's ice time as much as he maybe should. However, now that he's aware that it's an issue, the ice time should begin to come back down to earth a little bit -- especially with William Nylander not only wanting more ice time, but also expressing an interest in becoming a penalty killer, as he was at times last season.

Marner, being in a contract year, should probably relish the extra opportunities he's being given. Additional ice time could lead to additional production, which could inflate his value. His representatives pushing for less ice time may end up being counterproductive in the long run, perhaps his reps just don't want to risk injury, which could impact his overall value negatively.

 

[notbias]

Where's the Matthews vs Tavares comparison? Imo it's quite clear that Matty has been the one not playing up to expectations, if he was converting on his chances the 1st line would be blowing the 2nd line away in points.

This sums it up.

On ice shooting %.

Tavares - 17.74%
Nylander - 17.07%
McMann - 16.36%
Pacioretty - 13.37%
...
Knies - 10.10%
Matthews - 8.89%
Marner - 8.79%

That's why the point totals are even close.

 

[Confucius]

I’d like to see Mitch on PP2, it would knock a couple of minutes off his ice time. Pretty sure guys like Domi and Patches would get a couple of nice passes. See what they could do with them.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Mitch Marner's Reps Reportedly Air Concerns About Marner Being Overplayed by the Leafs​

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The problem for Marner's camp isn't that he's playing over 21 minutes per game, it's that on 4 occasions in the team's first 10 games, Marner has played well over 22 minutes, including a season-high 26:12 against Boston last weekend.

Recently, Berube addressed Marner's ice time, stating that since Marner is such an excellent penalty killer and also a primary power play contributor, it's really easy to overplay the versatile winger and that sometimes, like last Saturday, he goes a little overboard and doesn't control Marner's ice time as much as he maybe should. However, now that he's aware that it's an issue, the ice time should begin to come back down to earth a little bit -- especially with William Nylander not only wanting more ice time, but also expressing an interest in becoming a penalty killer, as he was at times last season.

Marner, being in a contract year, should probably relish the extra opportunities he's being given. Additional ice time could lead to additional production, which could inflate his value. His representatives pushing for less ice time may end up being counterproductive in the long run, perhaps his reps just don't want to risk injury, which could impact his overall value negatively.

This is time of year when Mitch is best man on ice .. games are not yet full speed .. and Mitch goes full speed every time he hits da ice .. watch post XMAS hockey it it starts to get harder to create open ice .. and then a real b*tch once playoffs start

 

[Dekes For Days]

This is time of year when Mitch is best man on ice

Actually, this is the time of the year when Marner historically struggles the most. He usually gets hot in the second half.

 

[ULF_55]

This sums it up.

On ice shooting %.

Tavares - 17.74%
Nylander - 17.07%
McMann - 16.36%
Pacioretty - 13.37%
...
Knies - 10.10%
Matthews - 8.89%
Marner - 8.79%

That's why the point totals are even close.

Is there off ice shooting %?

 

[GoonieFace]

Is there off ice shooting %?

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Lol, Tyreek Hills off ice shooting % is quite high I imagine