Player Discussion Marner

[Antropovsky]

Its quite shocking how little Marner creates offensively. Even im a little shocked how bad hes been this year.

Sure, ill give him credit for his defensive play but offensively its very bad for an 11 million dollar player.

 

[freshwind]

What were you so confused by?

hahahah - I'm not confused, just amazed that folks think they know what the coaching staff say and state with definitive fact that it was a set play ..
regardless, mm had a clear shot with net showing and chose to pass ... is that 2 games in a row? as I said, thankfully knies buried it ...
anyhow, have a good evening.. cheers

 

[Racer88]

I don’t think he’s a player we can’t do without. I just think losing him to UFA for nothing is shitty. I also think our window to move off him and not have it be so risky has closed. Now walking from him is a huge risk, I’m not saying it can’t or won’t pan out but you even have to admit it’s a ton of uncertainty.

Agreed it would be a waste. That’s why they shoukd have moved him while they had the chance. If they give him 8 years 12-12.5 we are screwed. That will be way worse then him walking for free.

 

[Smif]

Its quite shocking how little Marner creates offensively. Even im a little shocked how bad hes been this year.

Sure, ill give him credit for his defensive play but offensively its very bad for an 11 million dollar player.

Perfectly timed terrible take as always. You're consistent, I'll give you that.

 

[ACC1224]

hahahah - I'm not confused, just amazed that folks think they know what the coaching staff say and state with definitive fact that it was a set play ..
regardless, mm had a clear shot with net showing and chose to pass ... is that 2 games in a row? as I said, thankfully knies buried it ...
anyhow, have a good evening.. cheers

It was obviously a set play, they run set plays many times a game. You shouldn’t be amazed that people know this, pretty much everyone would know this.

 

[Racer88]

Got chopped in the neck and didn’t fall like he got shot too lmao

If that’s the case you can bet he won’t do that nonsense again. Working hard on the wall hurts to much

 

[Smif]

If that’s the case you can bet he won’t do that nonsense again. Working hard on the wall hurts to much

Another one here that hates it when a player of ours makes a good play, what kind of fan are you?

 

[stickty111]

Tavares has 2 less points than Marner, and the same 5 on 5 points despite averaging 5 less minutes overall, and 3 less at ES. Marner's also getting more favorable OZ starts. Yet I hear Tavares is washed, and Marner is continuing to grow and has been amazing? If JT is done, what does that say about Marner whose getting outproduced by JT?


It's always an injury for Marner, or linemates not helping him. Have to feel for him. All problems come to him.

Updated. Tavares now has 1 less point, and 1 more 5 on point than Marner.

 

[DarkKnight]

Updated. Tavares now has 1 less point, and 1 more 5 on point than Marner.

Weird flex.

 

[diceman934]

Weird flex.

Any thing to attack Mitch..

Jt has been good lately and his line looks fantastic the last 2 games.

 

[arso40]

Another one here that hates it when a player of ours makes a good play, what kind of fan are you?

In fairness it’s a two way street and there’s fans that like Marner and there’s fans that like Nylander it’s weird they can’t like both as I do though I obviously lean to the Willy side I’m still a Marner fan just hope he doesn’t take us to the cleaners again

 

[Antropovsky]

Another one here that hates it when a player of ours makes a good play, what kind of fan are you?

Afan of winning a Stanley Cup, perhaps? Guess you missed the playoffs, especially the last few, when Marner has been called out by former players, the media, fans, and even his own management for not being nearly good enough.

Couldn’t be fans on this board tired of seeing the same thing in the playoffs, right?

If this small Marner Fan Club were Panthers fans, they would've thought 115 point Huberdeau should never been traded—and you’d be calling anyone who thought he should be “not a real fan.”

 

[Maple Leaf]

Afan of winning a Stanley Cup, perhaps? Guess you missed the playoffs, especially the last few, when Marner has been called out by former players, the media, fans, and even his own management for not being nearly good enough.

Couldn’t be fans on this board tired of seeing the same thing in the playoffs, right?

If this small Marner Fan Club were Panthers fans, they would've thought 115 point Huberdeau should never been traded—and you’d be calling anyone who thought he should be “not a real fan.”

Everyday i pray for a marner trade amen

 

[arso40]

Everyday i pray for a marner trade amen

If he’s not gonna be fair in the negotiation room then sure but not trading him just to trade him though

 

[arso40]

that face off play was a thing of beauty honestly

 

[Antropovsky]

that face off play was a thing of beauty honestly

Tsn panel and Berube each praised Matthews for the play and neither mentioned Marner.

 

[ZEBROA]

Marner will be the top guy in points when the season is over. I expect a fantastic year once he gears up.

Still not sure if i want him on the team. Feels wierd.

 

[thewave]

Everyday i pray for a marner trade amen

Because I don't think we can win with him and his contract size I do the same. The only difference is asking for McDavid coming back home.

Time to stop playing around with the Eskimo Connor. Time to come home to Toronna there bud.

 

[Racer88]

Another one here that hates it when a player of ours makes a good play, what kind of fan are you?

You’re looking at an isolated play not the big picture. 9 years of Mitch is enough for me

 

[francis246]

Afan of winning a Stanley Cup, perhaps? Guess you missed the playoffs, especially the last few, when Marner has been called out by former players, the media, fans, and even his own management for not being nearly good enough.

Couldn’t be fans on this board tired of seeing the same thing in the playoffs, right?

If this small Marner Fan Club were Panthers fans, they would've thought 115 point Huberdeau should never been traded—and you’d be calling anyone who thought he should be “not a real fan.”

The Huberdeau and Marner situations are not the same and you continuously reference it. Huberdeau was not walked to free agency and he didn’t have an NMC blocking a potential move. You are so irrational and you cannot think clearly when it comes to Marner. I don’t think there is anyone here who believes the organization should blindly resign Marner. But people are thinking logically about the situation.

1. Is trading Marner an option right now? No, so you cannot pull a Florida move. That option left with the wind two years ago so why are we still crying about it?

2. Does this years free agency crop have proven playoff performers who come at a fraction of the cost of one Marner at 12.5 conservatively? - the answer is no for the most part. There’s Bennett and Ekblad. However the problem with UFA is it’s a market and it’s volatile. There is zero guarantee for ROI and is one of the more risky options in pro sports generally. This UFA crop is very weak, many of the top guys have been resigned.


Other factors:
- more control of getting players you want in a trade vs free agency
- letting Marner walk is good in theory but with 22 million you better be damn sure your replacements are good otherwise this team is screwed

- letting him walk and using the cap space to acquire a young talent would be amazing but would cost us some future draft capital. With the cupboards bare, how smart of a decision is that?

- what days do GM’s typically make their biggest mistakes? trade deadline and UFA

- what are the chances Rantanen would sign here? I’d say low. Even if he does that would be an amazing upgrade, but he’d cost more than Marner and those that say we lack depth scoring would complain that our cap structure is even worse.

When I say I want Marner resigned it isn’t some blind love for the guy. It’s with all the points listed above in mind. As I go through each option it comes down to keeping Marner vs hedging on middle aged ufas. I have yet to see a team in the cap era win by building through UFA so I’ll lean towards the safer less volatile option. If Marner wants to accept a trade that would be the best option.

So you can scream and shout about Huberdeau and Florida all you want. It’s not the same thing.

 

[Racer88]

Marner will be the top guy in points when the season is over. I expect a fantastic year once he gears up.

Still not sure if i want him on the team. Feels wierd.

Mostly assists.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The Huberdeau and Marner situations are not the same and you continuously reference it. Huberdeau was not walked to free agency and he didn’t have an NMC blocking a potential move. You are so irrational and you cannot think clearly when it comes to Marner. I don’t think there is anyone here who believes the organization should blindly resign Marner. But people are thinking logically about the situation.

1. Is trading Marner an option right now? No, so you cannot pull a Florida move. That option left with the wind two years ago so why are we still crying about it?

2. Does this years free agency crop have proven playoff performers who come at a fraction of the cost of one Marner at 12.5 conservatively? - the answer is no for the most part. There’s Bennett and Ekblad. However the problem with UFA is it’s a market and it’s volatile. There is zero guarantee for ROI and is one of the more risky options in pro sports generally. This UFA crop is very weak, many of the top guys have been resigned.


Other factors:
- more control of getting players you want in a trade vs free agency
- letting Marner walk is good in theory but with 22 million you better be damn sure your replacements are good otherwise this team is screwed

- letting him walk and using the cap space to acquire a young talent would be amazing but would cost us some future draft capital. With the cupboards bare, how smart of a decision is that?

- what days do GM’s typically make their biggest mistakes? trade deadline and UFA

- what are the chances Rantanen would sign here? I’d say low. Even if he does that would be an amazing upgrade, but he’d cost more than Marner and those that say we lack depth scoring would complain that our cap structure is even worse.

When I say I want Marner resigned it isn’t some blind love for the guy. It’s with all the points listed above in mind. As I go through each option it comes down to keeping Marner vs hedging on middle aged ufas. I have yet to see a team in the cap era win by building through UFA so I’ll lean towards the safer less volatile option. If Marner wants to accept a trade that would be the best option.

So you can scream and shout about Huberdeau and Florida all you want. It’s not the same thing.

Aren't you the one who keeps saying that NMC's aren't an issue when it comes to trading players?

 

[DarkKnight]

Marner will be the top guy in points when the season is over. I expect a fantastic year once he gears up.

Still not sure if i want him on the team. Feels wierd.

Also our best defensive forward.

 

[francis246]

Aren't you the one who keeps saying that NMC's aren't an issue when it comes to trading players?

I never said they aren’t an issue. I said players can be convinced to waive over time. Every situation is different but It’s happened before and players have different pressure points. Tampa forced the defenseman I forget his name right now to waive to Nashville.

Also what does that have to do with Huberdeau? As I mentioned he didn’t have one, so the team could move him freely.

In the Marner situation we have the Jonas segal reports that Marner was willing to waive his NMC two off-seasons ago after the Florida series, the leafs didn’t pounce on that opportunity. Now he doesn’t want to waive or wasn’t asked. Ultimately if the teams don’t act it’s their fault. The leafs could have moved off Marner two years ago and anytime before that they didn’t want to. It’s as simple as that. Now they are caught in between a rock and a hard place. Do I think Marner is going to waive in a contract year? No. Would he waive in the middle of a long term deal? I think that’s more likely

 

[ACC1224]

ClapThe Huberdeau and Marner situations are not the same and you continuously reference it. Huberdeau was not walked to free agency and he didn’t have an NMC blocking a potential move. You are so irrational and you cannot think clearly when it comes to Marner. I don’t think there is anyone here who believes the organization should blindly resign Marner. But people are thinking logically about the situation.

1. Is trading Marner an option right now? No, so you cannot pull a Florida move. That option left with the wind two years ago so why are we still crying about it?

2. Does this years free agency crop have proven playoff performers who come at a fraction of the cost of one Marner at 12.5 conservatively? - the answer is no for the most part. There’s Bennett and Ekblad. However the problem with UFA is it’s a market and it’s volatile. There is zero guarantee for ROI and is one of the more risky options in pro sports generally. This UFA crop is very weak, many of the top guys have been resigned.


Other factors:
- more control of getting players you want in a trade vs free agency
- letting Marner walk is good in theory but with 22 million you better be damn sure your replacements are good otherwise this team is screwed

- letting him walk and using the cap space to acquire a young talent would be amazing but would cost us some future draft capital. With the cupboards bare, how smart of a decision is that?

- what days do GM’s typically make their biggest mistakes? trade deadline and UFA

- what are the chances Rantanen would sign here? I’d say low. Even if he does that would be an amazing upgrade, but he’d cost more than Marner and those that say we lack depth scoring would complain that our cap structure is even worse.

When I say I want Marner resigned it isn’t some blind love for the guy. It’s with all the points listed above in mind. As I go through each option it comes down to keeping Marner vs hedging on middle aged ufas. I have yet to see a team in the cap era win by building through UFA so I’ll lean towards the safer less volatile option. If Marner wants to accept a trade that would be the best option.

So you can scream and shout about Huberdeau and Florida all you want. It’s not the same thing.