Player Discussion Marner

[Antropovsky]

Yup. And as has been said many times, it's not only on Marner, he just happens to be the most glaring example of someone who folds under pressure.

I can't be bothered to crunch Marner's numbers right now but his production goes roughly like this:

Regular season:
~100 point pace - excellent

Playoffs, first 4 games:
~95 point pace, in line with the ~5% drop in scoring that comes in the playoffs - still excellent

Playoffs, after 4 games:
~40 point pace, falls off a cliff WTF disaster


There have been some weird posts ITT but that's definitely one of the stranger this I've read here. Can't wait for the explanation/spin on this one.

Ask any hockey player and they'll tell you that there's nothing like a game 7. It's the highest pressure situation a hockey player will ever be in, and at the same it's exciting, exhilarating, it's what they have been dreaming about and hoping to experience since they were kids. Amazing that some people think that game 7 is the same as any other game.

It's like he's afraid of contact or something. I wish he had a bit of Doug Gilmour's fearlessness in him, he'd be an incredible player.

It's very telling that Marner fans love to point to his playoff points as proof he's the most valuable Leaf, yet they avoid breaking down the goals those points came from. If you actually review them, the most replaceable player in the sequence is almost always Marner, while the standout play,the elite moment—comes from his teammates. Marner fans know this, which is why, despite my asking them repeatedlyto review the goals, they all refuse.

 

[GoonieFace]

It's very telling that Marner fans love to point to his playoff points as proof he's the most valuable Leaf, yet they avoid breaking down the goals those points came from. If you actually review them, the most replaceable player in the sequence is almost always Marner, while the standout play,the elite moment—comes from his teammates. Marner fans know this, which is why, despite my asking them repeatedlyto review the goals, they all refuse.

Sam Howell threw for 4000 yards last season. Sometimes stats can be deceiving

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Is 0.4 expected goals per 60 good ?

 

[notbias]

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Is 0.4 expected goals per 60 good ?

When you are primarily someone driving play and setting up others and the other two people on your line are #1 and #4 on this list, yes, it is really good.

 

[notDatsyuk]

When you are primarily someone driving play and setting up others and the other two people on your line are #1 and #4 on this list, yes, it is really good.

So Domi at 0.5 driving plays and setting up others and the other two people in his line are #2 and #3 (with a higher combined than #1 and #4) is even better.

 

[notbias]

So Domi at 0.5 driving plays and setting up others and the other two people in his line are #2 and #3 (with a higher combined than #1 and #4) is even better.

ummmm... Knies/Matthews/Marner has a higher xGF/60 than any other line.

#1 - 4.55 for Knies/Matthews/Marner
#2 - 3.86 for Domi/Tavares/Nylander

That's a big gap.

You may want to look into the stats a little more before posting.

 

[thewave]

ummmm... Knies/Matthews/Marner has a higher xGF/60 than any other line.

#1 - 4.55 for Knies/Matthews/Marner
#2 - 3.86 for Domi/Tavares/Nylander

That's a big gap.

You may want to look into the stats a little more before posting.

Are you making the jokes?

I hope the line with all that money on it is .7 better. Don't count the net negative JT towards anything.

 

[arso40]

Are you making the jokes?

I hope the line with all that money on it is .7 better. Don't count the net negative JT towards anything.

Curious what the stat with the bmw line is

 

[notbias]

Curious what the stat with the bmw line is

58.3% xGF%, 3.8 xGF/60

Third best line.

Switching out McMann and Tavares basically makes no difference.

They look better on the stat sheet than most because McMann and Nylander have really high shooting %, but they are still dominating play.

Tavares/Holmberg/Robertson has been the worst line by a mile.

 

[arso40]

58.3% xGF%, 3.8 xGF/60

Third best line.

Switching out McMann and Tavares basically makes no difference.

They look better on the stat sheet than most because McMann and Nylander have really high shooting %, but they are still dominating play.

Tavares/Holmberg/Robertson has been the worst line by a mile.

Why isn’t Robertson on his strong side if Holmbergs natural position is the off wing

 

[notDatsyuk]

ummmm... Knies/Matthews/Marner has a higher xGF/60 than any other line.

#1 - 4.55 for Knies/Matthews/Marner
#2 - 3.86 for Domi/Tavares/Nylander

That's a big gap.

You may want to look into the stats a little more before posting.

I was just using the stats from the post that you quoted.

Nylander (1.74) + Tavares (1.65) + Domi (0.50) = 3.89
Matthews (2.10) + Knies (1.17) + Marner (0.40) = 3.67

 

[notbias]

I was just using the stats from the post that you quoted.

Nylander (1.74) + Tavares (1.65) + Domi (0.50) = 3.89
Matthews (2.10) + Knies (1.17) + Marner (0.40) = 3.67

Well, that makes no sense since Domi has had multiple linemmates for significant time.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Well, that makes no sense since Domi has had multiple linemmates for significant time.

The whole thing really makes no sense.

Just having a lie fun at the idea of "I can add three out-of-context numbers" to prove *something*.

 

[Dekes For Days]

The point is Ferris said Marner's player comparables were his teammates, not players on other teams.

Again, what Ferris actually said is "That is one of the factors that you bring into it, that there is a comparison of players on his team". Not exclusively. Not who. Not whether all attempted comparables were accepted by the team. Not how they were compared, or that status was ignored. Not what other comparables and factors Marner's side brought into the negotiations. Not what comparables and factors the team's side brought into the negotiations. Not how the contract was formed. Not that Marner's contract was inflated or constrained by internal contracts, or derived from UFA contracts.

The only information you actually have is that, according to Ferris, one of the factors that Marner' side wanted to bring into the negotiation were teammate comparisons. And that Marner's contract doesn't correlate with Tavares, but does correlate with the history of post-ELC contracts.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You simply can not and will not address his lacknof performance in high stakes games. You will not address his turnovers that are constant when he is under pressure.

I literally addressed all of that and then some, in both the post you quoted and in the posts I linked for you. You simply cannot accept that your perceptions are wrong.

How about you reiterate your position in a couple sentences that aren't running around in circles. Just be concise.

When I'm concise, you don't accept it. When I explain in detail, you don't read it. There are both short and long posts available for you. Don't jump into discussions and accuse people of not addressing things when they already have, and you really just can't be bothered to read it.