stickty111
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Personally I think Berube would want the puck to cross the line on Marner's shots and not hit the goalie's logo, but maybe I'm clueless and don't understand the brilliance of Marner.
You can tell when someone is suffering from cognitive dissonance. When confronted with facts, first they try to explain them away and when that doesn't work they just shut down. What's really funny is that people will watch Nylander play and think that he's good defensively. It's fascinating to see people actually think that Nylander plays well defensively when they can watch Marner show them how it's done. What could possibly go through their heads when Nylander causes another goal against and right after it Marner prevents one? All in all it's pretty funny and definitely weird.If this is what you think I said, then you're having severe reading comprehension issues.
Berube also used Marner on the 2nd unit PK. Odd for someone talked about as an elite defensive player. Maybe Berube doesn't agree?100% this. Last season, Matthews got 512 Selke votes and Marner got 23. I'll bet that came as a shock to a few people here but that's what happened.
To be clear, that's not at all a knock on Marner, IMO he's a very good defensive player. But talk of him winning a Selke, that's just people getting carried away for no good reason. JMHO.
I had this thought as well but was too lazy to type it out. Agree with this entire post.When's the last time Marner was a regular linemate of JT's anyway?
JT"s game has sunk quite a bit these last couple years, he's getting slower and slower. So if Marner's sample size was more in the time when JT was a better player - then it's naturally going to look a bit better. On top of all of that too I do think Marner has better chemistry with JT. Marner's better at playing a slower more east-west game and it meshes good with JT.
There's a lot of points here that are being blatantly ommitted, and it's not resulting in any sort of honest discussion.
I didn't notice, that's interesting. Also a bit weird as I've always thought of Marner as an excellent penalty killer, I wonder what Berube's reasoning is.Berube also used Marner on the 2nd unit PK. Odd for someone talked about as an elite defensive player. Maybe Berube doesn't agree?
Wow. The mental gymnastics that you guys will go though is fascinating. If you'd rather have a one-dimensional, soft perimeter player, who causes as many goals as he gets than a two way superstar then I guess your agenda couldn't be clearer. But you keep on practising those gymnastics.A winger's defensive game is not the make or break for a team's defense. They have the least defensive responsibility by far. And maybe he produces that much on the PP cause he's actually good at it? What were we in the postseason, 1/23 or something? Sounds like more PP production is what's needed.
Really sounds like you're going all in on this agenda though so I won't get in your way.
Lol how many wingers are winning the Selke nowadays? They never win it cause they simply don't have enough defensive responsibility to justify it over a center.Wow. The mental gymnastics that you guys will go though is fascinating. If you'd rather have a one-dimensional, soft perimeter player, who causes as many goals as he gets than a two way superstar then I guess your agenda couldn't be clearer. But you keep on practising those gymnastics.
Yeah and then diminishing Nylander's production by bringing up PP points and pretending that our PP wasn't 1/23 in the playoffs with Marner being the only healthy guy of the big 3.You can usually make stats show whatever you want them to and that's what these discussion turn out to be all too often, people using them to support an agenda as opposed to honest debate. I watch almost every game and I don't need stats to tell me the obvious - Marner has his strengths and weaknesses like any other player but in the end, he's a regular season superstar who isn't nearly as effective in the playoffs.
And there you go. That's the cognitive dissonance I'm talking about. To justify being confronted with facts that break your brain, instead of acknowledging that Nylander is pretty bad you instead somehow fabricate a fake reality that wingers don't need to play defence by pointing to a trophy that only one player wins. C'mon, you have to see how funny this is. Or maybe disturbing? You have two guys playing right after each other. One guy does it all and the other guy is a defensive mess and yet you don't see it? What's it like watching the games for you? Does it bother you when Marner makes a brilliant play? How do you deal with it?Lol how many wingers are winning the Selke nowadays? They never win it cause they simply don't have enough defensive responsibility to justify it over a center.
A winger "causing" as many goals as he scores - you're literally framing it as if every GA Nylander is on the ice for is his fault and you're trying to tell everyone else they have an agenda?
There's only one guy here who's ever personally attacked other posters over their criticism/opinions of players and that's you btw. That is what reeks of an agenda to me.
Do ever address the points at hand or just go into some weird tangent?And there you go. That's the cognitive dissonance I'm talking about. To justify being confronted with facts that break your brain, instead of acknowledging that Nylander is pretty bad you instead somehow fabricate a fake reality that wingers don't need to play defence by pointing to a trophy that only one player wins. C'mon, you have to see how funny this is. Or maybe disturbing? You have two guys playing right after each other. One guy does it all and the other guy is a defensive mess and yet you don't see it? What's it like watching the games for you? Does it bother you when Marner makes a brilliant play? How do you deal with it?
Good to hear it. You're making progress.-never even said that I think Nylander's better/equal to Marner defensively (I think Marner's better, without much debate
Hopefully it's to lower his PK minutes which I have been calling for. He's a good PKer but a tad overratedI had this thought as well but was too lazy to type it out. Agree with this entire post.
You can usually make stats show whatever you want them to and that's what these discussion turn out to be all too often, people using them to support an agenda as opposed to honest debate. I watch almost every game and I don't need stats to tell me the obvious - Marner has his strengths and weaknesses like any other player but in the end, he's a regular season superstar who isn't nearly as effective in the playoffs.
I didn't notice, that's interesting. Also a bit weird as I've always thought of Marner as an excellent penalty killer, I wonder what Berube's reasoning is.
Yeah that makes some sense. And I would like to see everyone's minutes limited so that everyone's well rested for the playoffs. And boy did our PK ever suck last season, just one of many things that we need to be better at.Hopefully it's to lower his PK minutes which I have been calling for. He's a good PKer but a tad overrated
Marner is already playing PP1, 1st line on 5 v5, so playing PK1 with that is a bit much, although he plays some good hard mins on the PK. I dont think Mcdavid or Mckinnon play PK1 or anyone else in the NHL on a regular basis.I had this thought as well but was too lazy to type it out. Agree with this entire post.
You can usually make stats show whatever you want them to and that's what these discussion turn out to be all too often, people using them to support an agenda as opposed to honest debate. I watch almost every game and I don't need stats to tell me the obvious - Marner has his strengths and weaknesses like any other player but in the end, he's a regular season superstar who isn't nearly as effective in the playoffs.
I didn't notice, that's interesting. Also a bit weird as I've always thought of Marner as an excellent penalty killer, I wonder what Berube's reasoning is.
Marner is already playing PP1, 1st line on 5 v5, so playing PK1 with that is a bit much, although he plays some good hard mins on the PK. I dont think Mcdavid or Mckinnon play PK1 or anyone else in the NHL on a regular basis.
never made progress on anything. You just cant follow along.Good to hear it. You're making progress.
You didnt say I saw none? Whats the bolded below mean to you then?I didn't say you saw none.
You seem to think everybody is 'Marner's biggest defender'. Of course I'm not ashamed of being correct, or for supporting a player on my team.
Very little of that is true. After a dominant win that Marner played well in and put the Leafs up 3-1, you made a bunch of posts criticizing Marner, and I simply noted how weird that was. Not just because Marner had played well, but because you had admitted that you hadn't even watched the game you were criticizing.
could be numerous answers to this.I had this thought as well but was too lazy to type it out. Agree with this entire post.
You can usually make stats show whatever you want them to and that's what these discussion turn out to be all too often, people using them to support an agenda as opposed to honest debate. I watch almost every game and I don't need stats to tell me the obvious - Marner has his strengths and weaknesses like any other player but in the end, he's a regular season superstar who isn't nearly as effective in the playoffs.
I didn't notice, that's interesting. Also a bit weird as I've always thought of Marner as an excellent penalty killer, I wonder what Berube's reasoning is.
Watching the game generally means the whole thing.You didnt say I saw none? Whats the bolded below mean to you then?
"..you admitted that you hadnt even watched the game you were criticizing".
Has Marner gotten any better than his 90 point season that got him that insane contract?
We're still talking about over passing. His weak shot. His lack of north south hockey and playoffs. His lack of skating speed.
It's like a word for word criticism of him every year the same thing without improvement.
Yeah and then diminishing Nylander's production by bringing up PP points and pretending that our PP wasn't 1/23 in the playoffs with Marner being the only healthy guy of the big 3.
It's always the same story with this poster. He projects his dishonesty and hypocrisy on other posters and personally attacks them when they don't buy his BS.
Then why didn't they mention anything about it the season ending presser? And why did they bring him back several games earlier prior to the playoffs?Marner was not healthy at all, he was dealing with an high ankle sprain injury... He was playing but his ankle was certainly not healthy, its kind of injury needing time to get good feeling...
He looks fast when he gets a head start, still poor acceleration.He looks pretty quick this year. Faster than last year.
Like last night when Nylander saved a shorthanded goal backchecking, and later Marner was out of position on the Devils' second goal?You can tell when someone is suffering from cognitive dissonance. When confronted with facts, first they try to explain them away and when that doesn't work they just shut down. What's really funny is that people will watch Nylander play and think that he's good defensively. It's fascinating to see people actually think that Nylander plays well defensively when they can watch Marner show them how it's done. What could possibly go through their heads when Nylander causes another goal against and right after it Marner prevents one? All in all it's pretty funny and definitely weird.