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VanW27

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Yeah I guess we can look all over the place and still not find a team that made the playoffs in 8 consecutive years, only to some out of it having won exactly 1 game past the 1st round. What a disgrace. And some people still worship these "all time Leaf greats". SMH.
The thing is, when people make comparisons to other teams who disappointed in the playoffs, before finally putting it together and winning or at least going to the finals as justification on why these guys will figure it out it's a completely ridiculous comparison.

The 2 teams most trotted out are the Ovy caps and the Jumbo Sharks. Those teams may have "disappointed" but it doesn't even compare. Thise teams won rounds regularly and lost in the 2nd or 3rd round before making the finals. It took a fluke/miracle for us to get 5 wins, which we did once.

Not to mention the fact we don't even have the regular season success. The Caps/Sharks had President's Trophy's, and a bunch of division titles. We can't even come within shouting distance of an Atlantic Division title let alone a President's trophy.
 

HolyCrap

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It was 4 in a row at one point.

The comparison came more from the narrative surrounding the team.

Not mentally tough enough to win. No killer instinct, etc.
I’ll have to watch the documentary. On a related note, the documentary on New England Patriots was really good. Even if you’re Pats hater it was pretty entertaining.
 
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Gary Nylund

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It was 4 in a row at one point.

The comparison came more from the narrative surrounding the team.

Not mentally tough enough to win. No killer instinct, etc.
4 in a row, that's pretty bad. At the same time, I don't really follow MLB any more but even getting to the playoffs is harder than it is in hockey, and 4 years is still less than our record of futility.

Baseball's harder to predict than hockey too I think but whatever, the fact that you're even looking at other sports to find compareables shows just how bad we've been.

The thing is, when people make comparisons to other teams who disappointed in the playoffs, before finally putting it together and winning or at least going to the finals as justification on why these guys will figure it out it's a completely ridiculous comparison.

The 2 teams most trotted out are the Ovy caps and the Jumbo Sharks. Those teams may have "disappointed" but it doesn't even compare. Thise teams won rounds regularly and lost in the 2nd or 3rd round before making the finals. It took a fluke/miracle for us to get 5 wins, which we did once.

Not to mention the fact we don't even have the regular season success. The Caps/Sharks had President's Trophy's, and a bunch of division titles. We can't even come within shouting distance of an Atlantic Division title let alone a President's trophy.
Agreed.
 
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thewave

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Interesting assumptions - any supporting evidence?

None at all but that would be part of it. The numbers are just random but if you have a big name player that sells a lot of jerseys, gets a lot searches and generates a lot of page hits. They are 100% quantifying that.
 
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Perhaps, Nylander is putting the puck in the net, something Matthews hasn't been doing.
Some more Willy goals could prop up some participation assists for Marner to inflate his personal stats.

Willy just one goal off the league lead with 9 compared to Mitch's 2 goals.

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Without Matthews we will need more goals than assists to WIN.
 

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This situation is identical to the boston playoffs series , 6 months ago, Matthew's appears to be checked out mentally, disengaged, then misses games after media and online talk gets louder about his performance. Lets see when he returns and what he does after he returns. When he missed games in the Boston series, he wouldnt tell media why. Just weird vibes around Matthews, his consistency, his contract demands, his total performance etc.
 

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None at all but that would be part of it. The numbers are just random but if you have a big name player that sells a lot of jerseys, gets a lot searches and generates a lot of page hits. They are 100% quantifying that.
I agree with the concept - just wondering about the numbers.
 

666

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One day you need to tell us what Marner did to you to insight your personal vendetta against him.
It used to be about playoff points until defence was explained to them. Then they railed about late series games. Then they railed about regular season points. Then they railed about regular season goals. Then they railed about playoff shot distances. Then they forgot about regular season points. Then they railed about + / - for the first 10 games. Now they rail about only regular season goals in the first 15 games.

The damage was done in the habs series. The damage is irreversible. They are all broken. It is really funny.
 

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what was Nylander doing wristing the puck on net from the point on the Knies goal anyway? why would a forward be out that far from the net even? pathetic stuff from him, shots from that distance are the hallmark of unserious players on an unserious team, and there is no chance of them ever resulting in a goal. Marner's influence growing like a cancer
 
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ACC1224

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what was Nylander doing wristing the puck on net from the point on the Knies goal anyway? why would a forward be out that far from the net even? pathetic stuff from him, shots from that distance are the hallmark of unserious players on an unserious team, and there is no chance of them ever resulting in a goal. Marner's influence growing like a cancer
One day you need to tell us what Marner did to you to insight your personal vendetta against him.

It used to be about playoff points until defence was explained to them. Then they railed about late series games. Then they railed about regular season points. Then they railed about regular season goals. Then they railed about playoff shot distances. Then they forgot about regular season points. Then they railed about + / - for the first 10 games. Now they rail about only regular season goals in the first 15 games.

The damage was done in the habs series. The damage is irreversible. They are all broken. It is really funny.

participation assists is an all-timer. our global moderator

condolences on the Leafs win
:laugh: Not a good night in Frothville.

Should be interesting to see what new and useless stuff they come up with today.
 
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DarkKnight

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Berube loves Marner, recall all the haters saying he was going to sour on him. In fact, he's literally become the most important player he relies on. Need a goal, over the boards. Toughest matchup, get out there. Need to hold a lead, double shifts. D zone start, get out there. PK, starts every time, then out again at the end. The guy literally is doing it all for Berube.
 

ACC1224

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Berube loves Marner, recall all the haters saying he was going to sour on him. In fact, he's literally become the most important player he relies on. Need a goal, over the boards. Toughest matchup, get out there. Need to hold a lead, double shifts. D zone start, get out there. PK, starts every time, then out again at the end. The guy literally is doing it all for Berube.
It's been the same way for every coach he's ever played for.
 
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Gary Nylund

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Berube loves Marner, recall all the haters saying he was going to sour on him. In fact, he's literally become the most important player he relies on. Need a goal, over the boards. Toughest matchup, get out there. Need to hold a lead, double shifts. D zone start, get out there. PK, starts every time, then out again at the end. The guy literally is doing it all for Berube.
Marner's always been great during the regular season and the first 4 games in the playoffs, after that he becomes a passenger. Then his fanboys disappear for a while but early in the season they're back, the playoff failures are forgotten, they praise him to the heavens and ridicule anyone and everyone who dares to question the greatness of mighty money Mitch. This might be funny if I hadn't already seen this movie so many times before, now it's just sad. But then again, I value playoff performace above all else, there are those who don't care about the playoffs so I'm happy you guys are getting your jollies, I really am but me, I'll have to wait until April before I evaluate Marner, and same goes for everyone else that's playing for us.

Some people have expressed the hope that in a contract year, things will be different, I guess we'll see.
 
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