Value of: Marner
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John Mandalorian
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This thread is 'value of Marner', not 'value of Future Considerations'
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They didn't pay anyone that much, and that was a while back.
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I think his repeated playoff performances make it challenging for a team to commit 11+M to him, and he doesn't seem like the guy that's going to take a discount to play somewhere.
He's incredibly talented and makes a team better, but I'd have a hard time swallowing that contract even if he was signed as a free agent, which obviously reduces my willingness to pay up significant assets to acquire him in the first place.
I don't really see a trade from Toronto playing out. Management either loves him and extends him to something rich or he walks and looks for it elsewhere as a FA.
He's incredibly talented and makes a team better, but I'd have a hard time swallowing that contract even if he was signed as a free agent, which obviously reduces my willingness to pay up significant assets to acquire him in the first place.
I don't really see a trade from Toronto playing out. Management either loves him and extends him to something rich or he walks and looks for it elsewhere as a FA.
Regardless of willingness, he's in a position to make the call about what he will take.
If he's going to take a trade, it'd have to be an NBA style sign-and-trade. So, (i) the destination will have been agreed upon, (ii) the deal will be based on cap considerations for both organizations involved, and (iii) the return is mostly based upon the value of those cap considerations + (iv) there being multiple teams to whom Marner is willing to do a sign and trade.
I think it's pretty unlikely that TOR is going to get a player back that's going to be as positively influential as Marner. Assuming that TOR is well in playoffs position throughout the season, I think the incentive to make a run will be a bigger motivator than recouping something for Marner.
NYI have always been one of the rumored landing spots for Marner, because of Lou and Marner's friendships with Islanders players. And, of course, a Dobson for Marner sign & trade is exactly the sort of move that would suit Toronto's needs 100%. The problem is such a deal would replicate TOR's roster construction problems in New York. It's not going to happen, and If it was going to happen, it would have happened already. But this illustrates how difficult a sign and trade scenario is. Unlike the NBA, the NHL's hard cap is simpler in a way that does not incentivize the arcane deals that occur in the NBA.
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Hawks weren't desperate to trade Kane. They were doing a franchise cornerstone a solid by trading him to a potential contender so he could take another run at a Cup.
Marner's a tough player to value IMO. Certainly an elite winger that on a reasonable contract would have significant value. The issue is that he hasn't been on a reasonable contract for a winger in a long time, and he's likely to want raise. The second part that makes it tough to value is his NMC. If MM limits the teams he's willing to waive for, that reduces the chances he gets traded for value. Lastly - he's a winger with an "uneven" play-off history, and doesn't play a heavy game. A contending team is unlikely to have the cap space for MM, and might not see him as a solution to their problems to push the team over the top. Additionally, MM has total control of the process with his NMC and preliminary indication are that he doesn't want to leave.
On the other hand - he does play a strong 2-way game, in the aggregate his play-off production isn't bad, and his 2024/25 salary has already essentailly been paid via signing bonus.
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Trotz would love Marner, a guy who plays a 200 foot game and still puts up about 100 points every year, those type of players are very rare.
Trotz is a take care of the D-zone first guy and always has been. He loves his defensively responsible forwards.
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Hawks needed a full rebuild, and Kane was too good a player to cause them to fail bad enough to get Bedard. Trading Kane was about getting value AND, getting worse in the short term.
Leafs are not comparable to Chicago when they dealt Kane, so, dont understand the correlation.
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LOL... before Horvat was dealt, his career high was 61 points, the same as Marner's rookie season, and Marner is a better player at every aspect of the game ...but, of course, playing C compensates for all that and then some too
you would need to add a 1st and a good prospect to Horvat to get Marner.
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That depends for how much and how long that extension is.
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100% agreed the 2022/23 Hawks were in a very different position to the 2024/25 Maple Leafs. With his hip, the Hawks could have shut Kane down if they wanted to "get worse in the short term".
Because the Hawks were rebuilding - they weren't going to resign Kane. They obviously would have liked to have gotten more for PK, but the story I heard is that when the team approached PK, he said he'd like to go the Rangers, so the Rangers knew they had the leverage in the negotiations which limited the return.
Maple Leafs are obviously in a different position. They're contending this year, and if they don't want to commit to the "big 3" long term, they'd be better off making a run and then letting MM walk and re-allocate the cap $'s next off-season rather than bend-over and take a bad deal in a trade. If they do decide to sign MM long term, they're obviously comfortable paying the big 3 the $37M'ish and filling the other holes cheaply. Either way - there is likely to be a lot of angst and second guessing amongst the fan-base.
The 8 million dollar difference in salary makes up for it.
Is mitch marner 8 million dollars better than Horvat?
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Horvat is at 8.5 and Marner 10.9 which is a teeny bit less than 8 mil difference, and Horvat wasnt getting paid 2.9mil when he was traded either.
Marner is a much better player than Horvat
Horvat was acquired with 1 year 5.5 mill on his deal and came with retention to I believe around 4 mill. 7 mill difference my mistake.
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Leafs have been overpaying every "CORE" player since Dubas f***ed it up.
No other team will give Marner even $10M/Year. His comparables make way less as is and he is probably looking for a raise from his $10.9M.
Leafs are the only team that "WE CAN AND WE WILL" pay him anything starting with 10. Then again, he has an ego, probably thinks he deserves more than the now overpaid Nylander.
Good luck to Leafs.
No other team will give Marner even $10M/Year. His comparables make way less as is and he is probably looking for a raise from his $10.9M.
Leafs are the only team that "WE CAN AND WE WILL" pay him anything starting with 10. Then again, he has an ego, probably thinks he deserves more than the now overpaid Nylander.
Good luck to Leafs.
