Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[Antropovsky]

Unlike you I actually posted the question I asked AI and did not manipulate it. I don’t need to manipulate it or ask it guiding questions.

I believe in doing things with integrity

Question:
So fair to say that cooper said Marner isnt that physically skilled compared to other players?

ChatGPT said:
Yes, it's fair to say that Cooper implied Marner isn’t as physically skilled compared to other players. He explicitly points out that Marner isn’t the fastest, doesn’t have the hardest shot, and that there are many things other players do better than him. This suggests that, in terms of raw physical abilities, Marner doesn’t stand out in the way some other elite players might.

 

[francis246]

Question:
So fair to say that cooper said Marner isnt that physically skilled compared to other players?

ChatGPT said:
Yes, it's fair to say that Cooper implied Marner isn’t as physically skilled compared to other players. He explicitly points out that Marner isn’t the fastest, doesn’t have the hardest shot, and that there are many things other players do better than him. This suggests that, in terms of raw physical abilities, Marner doesn’t stand out in the way some other elite players might.

LMAO the fact that you actually asked it with a leading question, to support your bias further proves my point…

Emotionally. Charged.

Anyways I’ve had enough for the season.

 

[thewave]

Question:
So fair to say that cooper said Marner isnt that physically skilled compared to other players?

ChatGPT said:
Yes, it's fair to say that Cooper implied Marner isn’t as physically skilled compared to other players. He explicitly points out that Marner isn’t the fastest, doesn’t have the hardest shot, and that there are many things other players do better than him. This suggests that, in terms of raw physical abilities, Marner doesn’t stand out in the way some other elite players might.

AI just said other Elite players. AI making Mitch great again.

 

[Racer88]

I plugged in the post that you quoted;

“Tell me about this post, what are your opinions on it;

Are we surprised that the only point he has was 3v3?

I'm just glad Cooper admitted to the world that Marner overall really isn't that skilled.

“ He is not the fastest kid on the ice. He doesn’t have the hardest shot on the ice. He doesn’t do a whole bunch of things that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him.

I don't care that Cooper said that Marners "one" elite skill is how he thinks the game... Paul Marner and Mitch cannot be happy with Coopers public evaluation of his game.

Note that Cooper didn't just say he has a weak shot, is slow and small...but he also expanded and said that Marner doesnt do a whole bunch of anything that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him.

Ouch! I've said the same thing repeatedly on these boards about Marner but..but even I'm shocked Cooper said it publically.”

This is the response I got from AI;

The robot overlords have spoken

 

[Antropovsky]

AI just said other Elite players. AI making Mitch great again.

You're right, AI admitted the mistake of saying elite lol.

Me:
Cooper compares him to other players on each team, he doesn't say marner lacks physical traits of elite players. He says "on either team"?

AI:
Yes, that’s an important distinction. Cooper isn’t comparing Marner specifically to *elite* players—he’s comparing him to players on *both teams* in that game. That means he’s saying Marner doesn’t have superior physical traits even compared to non-elite players, not just the absolute best in the league.

By saying, *"He doesn’t do a whole bunch of things that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him,"* Cooper is making it clear that Marner is not physically dominant relative to many players on the ice, not just superstars.

However, Cooper then argues that despite this, Marner was arguably the best player in that game because of his ability to process the game at a high level and excel in every situation (power play, penalty kill, 5-on-5, 3-on-3). So while he acknowledges Marner’s physical limitations compared to others in that game, he still highlights his overall impact and effectiveness.

 

[francis246]

You're right, AI made a mistake and said elite.

Me:
Cooper compares him to other players on each team, he doesn't say marner lacks physical traits of elite players. He says "on either team"?

AI:
Yes, that’s an important distinction. Cooper isn’t comparing Marner specifically to *elite* players—he’s comparing him to players on *both teams* in that game. That means he’s saying Marner doesn’t have superior physical traits even compared to non-elite players, not just the absolute best in the league.

By saying, *"He doesn’t do a whole bunch of things that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him,"* Cooper is making it clear that Marner is not physically dominant relative to many players on the ice, not just superstars.

However, Cooper then argues that despite this, Marner was arguably the best player in that game because of his ability to process the game at a high level and excel in every situation (power play, penalty kill, 5-on-5, 3-on-3). So while he acknowledges Marner’s physical limitations compared to others in that game, he still highlights his overall impact and effectiveness.

Ask it if not being physically dominant is equivalent or equal to being weak as you alluded to.

 

[Antropovsky]

Ask it if not being physically dominant is equivalent or equal to being weak as you alluded to.

You said:
What do you think Cooper means by saying "when your that size?"

ChatGPT said:
When Cooper says, "When you are that size, you have to be unique at something," he is likely referring to Marner's smaller stature compared to many NHL players. While he doesn’t specify Marner’s exact height and weight, the implication is that Marner isn’t physically imposing and doesn’t have the natural advantages that come with being a bigger, stronger player.

In hockey, smaller players often need to compensate by excelling in other areas—whether it’s speed, agility, skill, or hockey IQ—because they can’t rely on sheer physical dominance to be effective. Cooper seems to be saying that Marner has succeeded at the highest level not because of physical attributes, but because he is exceptionally good at thinking the game, making plays in tight spaces, and adapting to different situations.

So, in short, "When you are that size" means that Marner, as a smaller player, has to rely on something other than physicality to be successful—his unique strength is his hockey intelligence and versatility.

You said:
marner is 6' which generally isn't small by nhl standards. He is 180lbs.

ChatGPT said:
That’s a great point—Marner’s height (6’0") isn’t small by NHL standards, but his weight (around 180 lbs) is on the lighter side compared to many players, especially those who are more physically dominant.

When Cooper says, “When you are that size…” he’s likely referring more to Marner’s build rather than just his height. In the NHL, many players at 6’0" are bulkier, often weighing 200+ pounds, which helps with physical play, puck battles, and durability. At 180 lbs, Marner is on the leaner side, meaning he doesn’t have the same physical advantages as bigger, stronger players in terms of power, checking ability, or winning battles along the boards.

So, while he isn’t short, Cooper’s comment suggests that Marner isn’t physically dominant in terms of strength or physicality, making it necessary for him to excel in other areas—like hockey IQ, vision, and adaptability—to stand out.

 

[francis246]

You said:
What do you think Cooper means by saying "when your that size?"

ChatGPT said:
When Cooper says, "When you are that size, you have to be unique at something," he is likely referring to Marner's smaller stature compared to many NHL players. While he doesn’t specify Marner’s exact height and weight, the implication is that Marner isn’t physically imposing and doesn’t have the natural advantages that come with being a bigger, stronger player.

In hockey, smaller players often need to compensate by excelling in other areas—whether it’s speed, agility, skill, or hockey IQ—because they can’t rely on sheer physical dominance to be effective. Cooper seems to be saying that Marner has succeeded at the highest level not because of physical attributes, but because he is exceptionally good at thinking the game, making plays in tight spaces, and adapting to different situations.

So, in short, "When you are that size" means that Marner, as a smaller player, has to rely on something other than physicality to be successful—his unique strength is his hockey intelligence and versatility.

You said:
marner is 6' which generally isn't small by nhl standards. He is 180lbs.

ChatGPT said:
That’s a great point—Marner’s height (6’0") isn’t small by NHL standards, but his weight (around 180 lbs) is on the lighter side compared to many players, especially those who are more physically dominant.

When Cooper says, “When you are that size…” he’s likely referring more to Marner’s build rather than just his height. In the NHL, many players at 6’0" are bulkier, often weighing 200+ pounds, which helps with physical play, puck battles, and durability. At 180 lbs, Marner is on the leaner side, meaning he doesn’t have the same physical advantages as bigger, stronger players in terms of power, checking ability, or winning battles along the boards.

So, while he isn’t short, Cooper’s comment suggests that Marner isn’t physically dominant in terms of strength or physicality, making it necessary for him to excel in other areas—like hockey IQ, vision, and adaptability—to stand out.

Lmfao, hilarious ask it the question directly, stop beating around the bush. Copy and paste my question in to there

 

[hamzarocks]

Since I wasn't trying to make a point....

The poster I responded to was comparing 2 of the 3 Leafs, and I just completed the comparison by adding the third, who is actually the least overpaid and the least underperforming.

All 3 are ass.

If they were the best 3 players on a team for a major international tourny they would find a way to lose to a slovakia/germany level team

Nylander being a bit better than the other 2 doesnt make his performance good either.

 

[Antropovsky]

Lmfao, hilarious ask it the question directly, stop beating around the bush. Copy and paste my question in to there

You said:
is it fair to say that if Marner could theoretically put on muscle mass then Marners size wouldn't be a concern considering he is 6'. So being weak is part of the problem?

ChatGPT said:
Yes, that’s a fair conclusion. Since Marner is 6’0", his height isn’t the issue—his lack of bulk and strength compared to other NHL players is what makes his size a potential concern. If he were to put on more muscle mass, he might be able to engage more effectively in physical battles, improve his durability, and potentially remove size as a limiting factor in his game.

Cooper’s comment suggests that Marner doesn’t rely on physicality because he doesn’t have the same strength as other players, meaning he has to compensate with his hockey IQ and skill. So in that sense, being weaker relative to other players is part of the equation. If Marner were both 6’0" and significantly stronger, his size likely wouldn’t be something coaches or analysts would point out as a challenge.

 

[francis246]

You said:
is it fair to say that if Marner could theoretically put on muscle mass then Marners size wouldn't be a concern considering he is 6'. So being weak is part of the problem?

ChatGPT said:
Yes, that’s a fair conclusion. Since Marner is 6’0", his height isn’t the issue—his lack of bulk and strength compared to other NHL players is what makes his size a potential concern. If he were to put on more muscle mass, he might be able to engage more effectively in physical battles, improve his durability, and potentially remove size as a limiting factor in his game.

Cooper’s comment suggests that Marner doesn’t rely on physicality because he doesn’t have the same strength as other players, meaning he has to compensate with his hockey IQ and skill. So in that sense, being weaker relative to other players is part of the equation. If Marner were both 6’0" and significantly stronger, his size likely wouldn’t be something coaches or analysts would point out as a challenge.

Lmfaooooo I rest my case, your continued use of prompting questions and not asking AI a direct, biased free question, that’s not leading, demonstrates you are pushing a narrative.

If you had a shred of any integrity and weren’t afraid of the answer, you would literally copy and paste word for word what I asked you to ask. But we both know what the result would be if you did that.

 

[therealkoho]

Dream line

Hagel Crosby Marner

maybe Cooper does it, maybe not

 

[therealkoho]

To complete the picture:

Marner 1G 0A -2 0.33 ppg
Matthews 0G 1A 0 0.5 ppg
Nylander 0G 2A +1 0.67 ppg

It's all about the highly important and trumps all goal, assists are worthless, or something like that

 

[Antropovsky]

Dream line

Hagel Crosby Marner

maybe Cooper does it, maybe not

According to Marners interview today, he's playing with Hagel and Cirelli.

 

[Apex Predator]

 

[Antropovsky]

Lmfaooooo I rest my case, your continued use of prompting questions and not asking AI a direct, biased free question, that’s not leading, demonstrates you are pushing a narrative.

If you had a shred of any integrity and weren’t afraid of the answer, you would literally copy and paste word for word what I asked you to ask. But we both know what the result would be if you did that.

Sorry Ai disagrees again:

You said:
Does AI need clarifying information to provide accuracy in its AI responses?

Yes, AI often benefits from clarifying information to provide the most accurate and nuanced responses. Here’s why:

1. Context matters – AI responses are based on patterns and available data, but without specific details, responses might be too broad or miss key nuances.
- Example: If you ask, "Is Marner a skilled player?" AI can answer, but if you specify "physically skilled" or "hockey IQ skilled," the response becomes much more precise.

2. Ambiguous language – Words and phrases can have multiple interpretations.
- Example: "Does size matter in hockey?" The answer depends on whether you mean height, weight, physical strength, or reach.

3. Assumptions can lead to inaccuracy – If AI fills in gaps incorrectly, the response might not fully align with what the user is asking.
- Example: If you asked "Did Cooper criticize Marner?" without providing the quote, AI might misinterpret the tone of the statement.

4. Updated or additional data – If more context is provided (e.g., full quotes, stats, recent events), AI can refine its answer for better accuracy.

Best practice:
- Provide specific details about what you’re asking.
- Clarify intent if the topic has multiple angles (e.g., skill vs. physicality).
- Ask follow-ups to refine the response further.

So, while AI can provide helpful insights, accuracy improves significantly when clarifying information is given.

 

[francis246]

Sorry Ai disagrees again:

You said:
Does AI need clarifying information to provide accuracy in its AI responses?

Yes, AI often benefits from clarifying information to provide the most accurate and nuanced responses. Here’s why:

1. Context matters – AI responses are based on patterns and available data, but without specific details, responses might be too broad or miss key nuances.
- Example: If you ask, "Is Marner a skilled player?" AI can answer, but if you specify "physically skilled" or "hockey IQ skilled," the response becomes much more precise.

2. Ambiguous language – Words and phrases can have multiple interpretations.
- Example: "Does size matter in hockey?" The answer depends on whether you mean height, weight, physical strength, or reach.

3. Assumptions can lead to inaccuracy – If AI fills in gaps incorrectly, the response might not fully align with what the user is asking.
- Example: If you asked "Did Cooper criticize Marner?" without providing the quote, AI might misinterpret the tone of the statement.

4. Updated or additional data – If more context is provided (e.g., full quotes, stats, recent events), AI can refine its answer for better accuracy.

Best practice:
- Provide specific details about what you’re asking.
- Clarify intent if the topic has multiple angles (e.g., skill vs. physicality).
- Ask follow-ups to refine the response further.

So, while AI can provide helpful insights, accuracy improves significantly when clarifying information is given.

Haha classic deflecting. It’s a simple question. There’s no context needed.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Dream line

Hagel Crosby Marner

maybe Cooper does it, maybe not

Yeah, I remember hearing something similar from Boudreau the other day. I think they should try it.

 

[Smif]

Yeah, I remember hearing something similar from Boudreau the other day. I think they should try it.

I would love to see that too. Crosby and Marner's off the charts IQ together would be cool to see and it would push MacKinnon up with McDavid which would be a nightmare to play against as a defensemen.

According to Marners interview today, he's playing with Hagel and Cirelli.

Who did Marner start with last game?

 

[Stephen]

Yeah, that is not twisted. That is essentially what Cooper said though he used the words: "He is not the fastest kid on the ice. He doesn’t have the hardest shot on the ice. He doesn’t do a whole bunch of things that a lot of guys on both teams do better than him." It is still not complete without the rest of the quote, but your presentation was far more agenda serving than the ai that has just paraphrased part of the quote.

Cooper was basically just setting up that sentence as saying Marner is the little engine that could, doing a lot of great things without obvious flash.

Marner’s a great player. But also a supremely frustrating player. Of all the thing to praise him for and things to speed bag him for, Cooper’s rhetorical devices and Marner’s oddball habits at the rink don’t seem to be top 20 problems.

 

[arso40]

It's all about the highly important and trumps all goal, assists are worthless, or something like that

Goals definitely worth more than assists

 

[Aashir]

We really got Marner talks having to pull out AI LOOOOL

I wanna say something funny, but I can’t even think of anything based on that, it’s quite literally unspeakable.

Not really on either side, Marner hasn’t really been good, I don’t really need Cooper saying he sucks or is great to change my opinion. I’ve used my own eyes for that. He also isn’t a “low iq” or “low skilled” player like some are saying either.

Still hoping he scores a hatty tmrw in a 7-1 blowout vs U.S.A

 

[Leaf Fans]

We really got Marner talks having to pull out AI LOOOOL

I wanna say something funny, but I can’t even think of anything based on that, it’s quite literally unspeakable.

Not really on either side, Marner hasn’t really been good, I don’t really need Cooper saying he sucks or is great to change my opinion. I’ve used my own eyes for that. He also isn’t a “low iq” or “low skilled” player like some are saying either.

Still hoping he scores a hatty tmrw in a 7-1 blowout vs U.S.A

It is kind of my fault. I asked one of the posters what an ai said. I just wondered on a personal level. I didn't mean to provoke an ai discussion. I should have just asked for a private message.

 

[rumman]

When have they ever done that? UFA players are almost always an overpay.

There’s always a first time……..

 

[Racer88]

Ya, well my AI is better than your AI………..lol