Marner haters right now

[therealkoho]

I think we all agree that marner has to bring another level in the playoffs .
The same with mathews and the rest of our players.
The only issue I have when people say marner can't score.
Here is his last 3 regular seasons .

82 gp 26 g
59 gp 16 g = 82 gp 22 g
55 gp 20 g = 82 gp 29 g

Mathews has scored 3 goals in the last two playoff series.

exactly

Willie 32 GP 23Pts
Matty 32 GP 24 pts
Marner 32 GP 25 Pts

so yep it's all on Mitch

as far as last year went the LW was playing on one leg, the centre couldn't hold his stick properly let alone shoot, seeing as Marner is the set up guy, what did any of you think was going to happen?

forest trees gentlemen, forest trees

 

[therealkoho]

LMFAO relax Paul. He's playing great right now. Let's see what happens come playoff time. If (And that's the operative word here) he plays well and the Leafs go on a deep run, THEN we'll keep his name out of our mouth.

how about all the big boys need to play well, Mitch isn't alone in this regard

in fact only Willie(on the strength of really producing last year) of the three is above their PPG marks for the regular season

 

[Captain Crunch]

When we’ve only played 12 games……..

maybe it’s hard to count but 83 comes after 12, not before

You do understand by game 83 he’s talking about playoffs, right?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

It was never about goals or assists da fundamental problem has been same one since he was 6 years old .. and it has never changed .. his stride length is too short and he can't generate any more power to blow by anyone .. so he has to make all his plays with creativity, edgework and elite vision to make great passes .. when teams shut down middle of ice and take away his passes then he becomes almost useless as a shooter and Habs played it perfectly .. Mitch vs Price and Price wins 100% of time .. until da skating changes you will see same results every playoffs til he stops playing .. he will never get any stronger it is just not in his DNA

 

[Captain Crunch]

He is a special player who plays a 200 foot game. He is a top 10 player in the league, who also kills penalties.

The only people that want to get rid of Marner are people that have no idea what they’re watching.

Or maybe it’s people who feel paying half the cap to 4 forwards won’t work.

 

[Byron Bitz]

his good play as of late has done little to make me forget about this abomination that cost us the series.

 

[Captain Crunch]

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Marner takes too much internet abuse on this forum.

He's only a kid.

He's trying, he just has not figured it out completely.

Marner should play more like Marchand, not that he should be a dirty rat, but the rat gets most of his goals around the net. The rat does not have a great shot either.

I thought he would’ve had it figured out since he demanded and got that huge contract. Wouldn’t you?

 

[therealkoho]

I would argue all 4 have produced in the playoffs. Just not all at the same time. Matthews has been great twice( Wash and Clb), Nylander last year,, and Marner was excrllent against Bos with Tavares.

The secondary scoring has been awful. (Kadri getting suspended teice didn't help)

Hyman wasn't always healthy but was a non factor almost every year. Spezza has probably contributed more than anyone else.

100%

I'd also venture to add that when Matthews didn't produce it was definitely because of injury, I heard that a lot around here and other places

Marner was probably in the same boat for all we know

 

[Magic Man]

He had 1 assist in 8 games to start the year. He now has 12 points in 12 games. He's riding an 11 points in 4 games heater.

He's still one of the best in the world at his position. It doesn't take long for him to catch up when he's lagging behind, I wasn't expecting him to close the gap that fast.

 

[therealkoho]

I'd leave Rocket man out of this. Everybody knows teams focus on rocket man because odds are their goalie can stop the muffin man.

why? 1 goal for 11.6 is ok and forcing the team to give up that shorty UFA contract is OK, because of a RR trophy

I'm not dumping on Matty here but he bears just as much responsibility for what happened in the last two years of playoffs as he didn't produce anywhere near what his real capability is

 

[egd27]

his good play as of late has done little to make me forget about this abomination that cost us the series.

Can you remind me how we ended up being short handed so that this play even occurred?

 

[ShaneFalco]

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I thought he would’ve had it figured out since he demanded and got that huge contract. Wouldn’t you?

24 and he's till a kid figuring it out

 

[Byron Bitz]

Can you remind me how we ended up being short handed so that this play even occurred?

Keefe did a long shot coaches challenge, shouldn’t have done it but in his defence MTL’s 5 on 4 pp was terrible, he couldn’t of imagined Marner would take a dumb penalty and give them a 5 on 3 for 1.5 minutes.

 

[ToneDog]

why? 1 goal for 11.6 is ok and forcing the team to give up that shorty UFA contract is OK, because of a RR trophy

I'm not dumping on Matty here but he bears just as much responsibility for what happened in the last two years of playoffs as he didn't produce anywhere near what his real capability is

Matty also has a Calder and 200+ goals and counting. This team will go as far as Matty takes it IMO.

Agreed he can be and has to be better in the playoffs but I am not worried about his game translating to the playoffs as much as Marners. In his defense I believe the Habs decided they were not going to be beat by Matty and left Price to deal with Marner because they did not believe Marner could beat Price. It worked.

 

[Aashir]

You do understand by game 83 he’s talking about playoffs, right?

It went over my head at the time, understood it after.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

He largely has played like this in the playoffs over the past couple years. The main difference is just the puck not going in as much, against two of the best playoff goalies of the past couple years.

I disagree. What I’ve seen is a player who doesn’t appear motivated enough to create space and power through the tighter checking that comes in the playoffs. Honestly, we’re all Leaf fans who love players with a strong work ethic regardless of what warts their game may have (Tucker, Wendel, Sundin, Gilmour). Nobody crapped on those guys. It’s about effort and the perception of arrogance and lack of humility.

 

[egd27]

Keefe did a long shot coaches challenge, shouldn’t have done it but in his defence MTL’s 5 on 4 pp was terrible, he couldn’t of imagined Marner would take a dumb penalty and give them a 5 on 3 for 1.5 minutes.

Should have stopped at the bolded.

Handing the team that just scored additional momentum by making an incredibly stupid challenge is inexcusable.

 

[Captain Crunch]

24 and he's till a kid figuring it out

I guess there is at least some truth to the saying, be careful what you wish/ask for.
Seems sad to be paying someone $11 million when they’re still trying to figure it out.

 

[Captain Crunch]

It went over my head at the time, understood it after.

Been there, done that.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

I think it's tougher for a guy like marner to really impose himself on a game like a McDavid, Crosby, MacKinnon, Matthews etc. Because he is reliant on others to be effective.

Uh, Marner imposing ...

doesn't belong in the same sentence.

Matthews either.

Imposing is really a McDavid thing, maybe MacKinnon as well here and there.

Crosby's days of imposing has petered out

 

[mydnyte]

his shot is still one good shot for 10 attempts... he really, really, really needs to work on it, if he wants to be 'elite'
he either misses the net, or its like he's playing soft toss with a child.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Dude, you've been saying that you'll only be happy with Marner once he performs in the playoffs. It doesn't work that way.

What I said was that I will judge Marner (and the rest of the team as well) mostly by how they play in the playoffs. Like maybe 90% that and 10% regular season.

LOL at you saying it doesn't work that way? Of course it does. I'll judge them any way I want and I'm sure a good portion of the fan base agrees with me.

You are in the Marner hate group and you have declared all summer long that he needs to be traded.

Stop with the nonsense already, what's the matter with you? I don't hate Marner, not even a little bit. And I never said that he "needs to be traded", you make it sound like I'm saying get rid of him as if it's addition by subtraction and that's just stupid. I said in the summer that the smart thing to do would be to trade Marner but that's as much because of the flat cap situation as anything else. And I would only trade him for a massive haul, like see what Buffalo got for Eichel but more, that's what it would take for me to trade him. I've explained many times in some detail what my reasoning is, for you to translate that into me hating the kid is a very poor effort on your part. Come on dude, I know you're better than this.

I respect that opinion but you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. Marner is a superstar playoffs or not. You will always be in the Marner hater group.

Playoffs or not? LOL. Maybe you and I are just hoping for different things. Me, I want TEAM success in the playoffs and Marner could be the biggest "superstar" the game has ever seen, if he can't help us win in the playoffs then I couldn't care less. Playoffs or not? Seriously?

And no I'm not a "hater". I don't hate Marner and that's a stupid term anyway which I think is mostly used when people are looking to pick a fight. If you want to have an intelligent discussion then be reasonable.

I guess there is at least some truth to the saying, be careful what you wish/ask for.
Seems sad to be paying someone $11 million when they’re still trying to figure it out.

I know, right? I cringe every time I hear that Marner isn't in his prime yet. Of course he is, prime is probably something like 23-28, Marner's 24, he was a 1st team all-star last year and he's on a long term contract that made him one of the highest paid players in the world. It doesn't get much more "prime" than that.

 

[Auston Marlander]

his good play as of late has done little to make me forget about this abomination that cost us the series.

People need to learn to let go. If I held on to everything like some people around here hold onto a misplay in a sport that's only purpose is entertainment I'd be one miserable person.

 

[Captain Crunch]

What I said was that I will judge Marner (and the rest of the team as well) mostly by how they play in the playoffs. Like maybe 90% that and 10% regular season.

LOL at you saying it doesn't work that way? Of course it does. I'll judge them any way I want and I'm sure a good portion of the fan base agrees with me.



Stop with the nonsense already, what's the matter with you? I don't hate Marner, not even a little bit. And I never said that he "needs to be traded", you make it sound like I'm saying get rid of him as if it's addition by subtraction and that's just stupid. I said in the summer that the smart thing to do would be to trade Marner but that's as much because of the flat cap situation as anything else. And I would only trade him for a massive haul, like see what Buffalo got for Eichel but more, that's what it would take for me to trade him. I've explained many times in some detail what my reasoning is, for you to translate that into me hating the kid is a very poor effort on your part. Come on dude, I know you're better than this.



Playoffs or not? LOL. Maybe you and I are just hoping for different things. Me, I want TEAM success in the playoffs and Marner could be the biggest "superstar" the game has ever seen, if he can't help us win in the playoffs then I couldn't care less. Playoffs or not? Seriously?

And no I'm not a "hater". I don't hate Marner and that's a stupid term anyway which I think is mostly used when people are looking to pick a fight. If you want to have an intelligent discussion then be reasonable.



I know, right? I cringe every time I hear that Marner isn't in his prime yet. Of course he is, prime is probably something like 23-28, Marner's 24, he was a 1st team all-star last year and he's on a long term contract that made him one of the highest paid players in the world. It doesn't get much more "prime" than that.

So you’re saying being in his prime means that he has figured it out. Good to know. Hopefully he can carry that into the playoffs.

 

[Gary Nylund]

So you’re saying being in his prime means that he has figured it out. Good to know. Hopefully he can carry that into the playoffs.

Nobody ever has it all figured out, everybody is learning all the time, or at least they should be trying to do so.

What I am saying is that Marner has a number of years under his belt and he is one of the highest paid players in the world which means people should stop making excuses for him.