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francis246 said:
I get what you’re saying but they don’t owe you that type of answer. Also it’s not everyone’s personality to give that type of answer.media availability shouldn’t really mean anything.
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No one has ever won a trade who moved the best player in the deal, that said, Marner would net a great haul, but Matthews would net a great haul plus.

The Matthews contract is a gamble all unto itself and therefore if it's just a "contract" that you want to move, than the math only adds up 1 way.
 
therealkoho said:
No one has ever won a trade who moved the best player in the deal
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I’ll assume you’re not counting player for pick trades, because a lot of teams win those trades by drafting well.

Cam Neely wasn’t the best player in the trade that brought him to Boston. Peter Forsberg wasn’t the best player on the trade that brought him to Colorado.
 
Notsince67 said:
Is that what u f***ing call it?
You among others crucified him. There is no coming back from that. You need to keep his name out of your mouth.
Your childish behaviour is offensive and insulting to real fans. You went past criticism long ago mr addition by subtraction.
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LMFAO relax Paul. He's playing great right now. Let's see what happens come playoff time. If (And that's the operative word here) he plays well and the Leafs go on a deep run, THEN we'll keep his name out of our mouth.
 
Ashdown2 said:
for 4 months now it litterally been the same narrative over and over and over again .........
the 100 point player who hasnt produced in the playoffs .........

yawn ........ok time to close this thread .......
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I would argue all 4 have produced in the playoffs. Just not all at the same time. Matthews has been great twice( Wash and Clb), Nylander last year,, and Marner was excrllent against Bos with Tavares.

The secondary scoring has been awful. (Kadri getting suspended teice didn't help)

Hyman wasn't always healthy but was a non factor almost every year. Spezza has probably contributed more than anyone else.
 
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Zybalto said:
Just thought I'd throw up a fun list of the players who created the most offensive chances the last 2 playoffs. I dont think you are giving the insane goaltending streaks both Columbus and Montreal went on enough credit.

2020 play-ins rankings of all forwards (319 total):
Shots created while on the ice:
1. Tavares
2. Matthews
3. Forsberg
4. Marner
5. Nylander

Most scoring chances created while on the ice:
1. Matthews
2. Tavares
3. Marner
4. Geuntzel
5. McDavid

Most high danger chances created while on the ice:
1. Draisaitl
2. McDavid
3. Nugent-Hopkins
4. Tavares
5. Marner

Highest Expected goals for the round:
1. Guentzel
2. McDavid
3. Draisaitl
4. Nugent-Hopkins
5. Crosby
6. Matthews
7. Marner

2021 first round rankings of all forwards (200+):
Shots created while on the ice:
1. Matthews
2. Barkov
3. Marner
4. Hymen
5. Huberdeau

Most scoring chances created while on the ice:
1. Matthews
2. Marner
3. Hymen
4. Huberdeau
5. Barkov

Most high danger chances created while on the ice:
1. Barkov
2. Matthews
3. McDavid
4. Marner
5. Hymen

Highest Expected goals for the round:
1. Matthews
2. Marner
3. Hymen
4. Barkov
5. Huberdeau

Note that almost every player here failed to advance due to a goaltending difference between the teams as well as, certainly in the Leafs case, a lack of finish. Just go and rewatch the series with the Habs. Posts, near misses and big saves against all day.
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This is all useless in playoffs if you have no results.

This is more useful for regular season. The sample is big enough (82) that eventually the advanced stats are consistent with the standings.

Playoffs you just need to win 4 games first.

So here's a very simple model. Leafs playoff advanced stats suggest that in 50 games they'll probably win a minimum of 30. Habs advanced stats suggest they won't be so lucky. In 50 games they'll probably win a minimum of 20. Again very simplified example.

So Leafs have 30 wins as currency , Habs have 20. Each team has enough currency to produce 4 wins. Leafs to this point don't have what it takes to get those 4 wins first and that's the stuff the advanced stats can't measure.

Champions will fight and get those 4 wins even if they're the under dog. It doesn't matter that they probably wouldn't sustain it over a whole season. It's the playoffs you only need to break things down into 7 game segments and get your 4 wins first.

There's no math on the planet that can measure "clutch " . You either have it or you don't.

What I do like about the advanced stats is they suggest if Leafs can get past the first round hurdle, the run will be deep because as the sample of games increase the advanced stats do prevail.

I think Leafs will put it together soon (marner thread so I'll single out Marner as not being clutch), but so far they lack what it takes to be champions. Takes more than skill.
 
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diceman934 said:
All posters who say Marner does not produce in the playoffs::
He leads the team in playoff points the past 5 years. Clearly the posters on here are not able to watch a game and assess what they see. He is the last player on the Leafs I would trade . He makes players better.
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This stat is annoying, 5 years you say? Shall we cut that down to the last 3? If so he is behind both Matthews and Nylander in points, also remember Tavares played 1 period of hockey in the last series.

I'm not hating on Marner but don't make it like he's some playoff warrior, how about you do your own research instead of just saying what others on here are throwing around.

The reason Marner is the "leader of all playoff points over the last 5 years" is because 5 years ago he got 9 points. Yet 0 goals the last two playoff series.

I don't hate Marner, I love him actually, but this 5 year stat is nonsense, nothing to be proud of. Cut it to 3 and it's over now.

Hopefully he keeps playing the way he has lately and brings it into the playoffs, time will tell.

But no Matthews has been the most consistent for us as far as playoffs, and Nylander was epic last year, where as Marner in the playoffs hasn't been epic since 5 years ago getting 9 points when fricken Marleau was still on the team.

P.s- If you cut it down to the last two years, Kerfoot has more points than Marner as well.
 
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Glad Marner is back to playing like a superstar. While I'll wait to see if he can play like a star in the playoffs, we actually need to get to the playoffs and we weren't going to get there if the real Mitch Marner didn't stand up.
 
I thought it was kinda funny reading about your hate for Marner before (some was actually called for), and 7 days laters its "Look at you haters now, Marner's got some assists!".
Wouldn't this be the right time to trade him? When he didn't produce, it would be harder to get rid of that albatross-contract, but now you can at least get something out of him.
 
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I'm a Marner critic. I'm also a fan.

This is how he should be playing. He gets paid to play like this.

Professional athletes get criticism when they don't step up and perform.
 
DuncanMacpherson said:
Tell your friend he’s the only one that didn’t show up for 3 straight playoffs
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Also, tell him he has a respectable 25 points in 32 playoff games. 5 of them are goals but then again he has just over a hundred goals in just over 300 regular season games.
 
therealkoho said:
No one has ever won a trade who moved the best player in the deal, that said, Marner would net a great haul, but Matthews would net a great haul plus.

The Matthews contract is a gamble all unto itself and therefore if it's just a "contract" that you want to move, than the math only adds up 1 way.
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Not true at all.

Leaf Fans said:
Also, tell him he has a respectable 25 points in 32 playoff games. 5 of them are goals but then again he has just over a hundred goals in just over 300 regular season games.
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367 is "just over 300"?
 
Marner must be doing something right if he has haters. Haters are generally powerless people grasping for control and happiness in their lives. They express envy/jealousy in the form of hate.
 
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The fact Marner is playing like this only highlights why people are so disappointed with him in the playoffs. For some reason, since his contract, he looks lost and disinterested in the most recent playoffs. Play like he has been the last few weeks and no one will have a problem.
 
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Marner's front kick to his Detractors' face = rubber.
 
CabanaBoy5 said:
The fact Marner is playing like this only highlights why people are so disappointed with him in the playoffs. For some reason, since his contract, he looks lost and disinterested in the most recent playoffs. Play like he has been the last few weeks and no one will have a problem.
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He largely has played like this in the playoffs over the past couple years. The main difference is just the puck not going in as much, against two of the best playoff goalies of the past couple years.
 
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