It's no big deal; just thought you would want to correct your post - no need to make up stories. You must have just forgot to add the 2 beautiful points he had tonight in yet another great game. Maybe you were too busy setting up a post trying to stir up drama about two amazing players that are both ours, so that you could quickly post it minutes after an 8-3 beatdown on one of the best teams in the league to top off a 15-2 stretch. Or maybe they just don't count because they weren't PP goals.
Marner haters right now
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AllDay28
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I wanted Marner gone but thankfully I’m not the Leafs GM. I can live with being wrong
saffronleaf
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Marner has been playing excellent. Some of his best play.
Leads all forwards for takeaways this year.
Stir up crap for no apparent reason? Guessing you petitioned hard for this thread to be closed when you read the title?
Thanks for your post about him playing incredible. Tell me more about his game - I'd love to hear more. Why do you think he's not producing - will it come around? Is he worth his cap hit even if he keeps producing at this clip? This can be a discussion (we are allowed to talk about both the good and the bad and discuss why something may actually be good, even if it appears bad). I see his stats and I am concerned.
Haha "just thought you'd want to correct your post" - so innocent. What about your math is hard comment?
Watching highlights the powerplay assists were nice. Still worried about his lack of scoring and even strength production. Hoping the lack of goals is just because he has a monkey on his back and will have a break-out goal scoring department.
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Putting it as simply as possible,
The first 3 weeks or so, the Leafs were really playing with the lineup trying to see who would gel with the slew of new forwards on the team. They were really hoping Ritchie would gel with M&M but he really couldn't keep up with them and so they went with Bunting on the top line and it's really clicked (combined with Matthews finally getting up to speed after no camp and missing the first week)
He leads the league in takeaways and has been far better than his point totals suggest. The team has improved its shooting % the last couple of weeks but if they would have been anywhere near the last few years, Marner would be sitting on 30-40 points right now. He's the 2nd best setup man in the league since the start of the 2017 season combined with one of the best defensive wingers in hockey. We are lucky to have him. thats for sure. You see him trending for around a PPG and are worried. I see him getting 90-100 points this year as the Leafs shooting% continues to improve.
Just glad to see him get the love he deserves. Still remember taking on about 20 people in the Marner thread who were calling me Paul Marner. Good times.
Notsince67
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You dont realize how absolutely stupid this looks after an extended winning streak and a curb stomping of the Avs? You that desperate to stir up shit after great team success? Haters take note. This guy is how you look like.
yeah yeah... you were pumping your chest saying the same thing during the playoffs when i commented that Marner wasnt playing good enough during game 2. i can quote your endless support of his postseason play in this thread to remind you if you like? My assessment was right in the end and you were 100% wrong, even though you fought tooth and nail saying he was playing great till the bitter end (even after the series when majority - if not all of the entire hockey world agreed he had a bad series). I call it as i see it. While your an obsessed fanboy of Marner.
moving on - I think Marner is doing great defensively but offensively i think he needs to simplify his game, he is still providing great zone entrys and puck possession but (i think) he still seems to be zeroed in on the Marner Magic...meanwhile a lot of success from the roster seems to be finding with getting pucks through. The plays he seems to be primary assisting on seem to be just Magic plays... which are great but i think for him to find success in the postseason we need to see some more basic stuff (speed picks up and time and space shrinks substantially).
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I still hate the Marner contract, but he’s been earning his money as of late. He needs to have a good playoffs.
I also wanted him gone, and agree he is now playing great.
But the right move, moving forward (unless the cap jumps by about $5,000,000.00) is to move him. Next year, Reilly new #'s come into play, Campbell needs a raise, still a lack of depth, though we are getting some great play out of those lines now.
Gary Nylund
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This is complete BS. The guy has an opinion that you don't agree with it but he's entitled to it and he is expressing it respectfully. For the record, I don't agree with him either, I think Marner's playing very well and I'm not worried at all about his production. That said, like I said he's not being insulting at all so I can respect his opinion even if I don't agree with it because that's what adults do and this forum isn't supposed to be an echo chamber.
If you want to see what a hater looks like, take a look in the mirror pal. The team is rocking it right now so give your anger a rest and be happy.
Notsince67
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Uh huh. He posts this shit immediately after a game and he is respectively throwing up a bashing post to attempt cancel level condemnation of a player based on the performance of a team member...who both played fantastic? Your gas lighting is hardly surprising given your posting history.
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DarkKnight
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Caroline Says ll
Mmm
One thing that does confuse me is how a player who is so skilled has such a below average shot.
Clearly growing up and his development involved so much work and practice in honing his skating, vision, passing, stick work etc. It would be not as weird if his shot was just a step below his other skills - but his shot is a complete non-factor.
There will always be players who are more playmakers and passers, but the best of them still had a good shot when needed or if the moment arose. I feel Marner's shot will always be a major crutch.
Clearly growing up and his development involved so much work and practice in honing his skating, vision, passing, stick work etc. It would be not as weird if his shot was just a step below his other skills - but his shot is a complete non-factor.
There will always be players who are more playmakers and passers, but the best of them still had a good shot when needed or if the moment arose. I feel Marner's shot will always be a major crutch.
I'm down for letting people speak their minds (and I thought I gave him a polite response after) but to have posted that just minutes after the win, he's either one of the worst people in the world when it comes to social cues or he is a troll. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but you can see why it would anger some people right (and has been a problem all season long after wins).
Whats weird is that he only fails to score on the PP. He gets a good amount of SH goals and is actually a decent 5v5 goal scorer.
Going back to the start of the 2019 season, here are some of his comparables for 5v5 goal production:
Scheifele
Gaudreau
Stone
MacKinnon
M. Tkatchuk
Kopitar
Caroline Says ll
Mmm
Well that's the thing - his skill allows him to create chances and and score short handed and 5 on 5. Looking at his goals this year there have been two of him cutting infront of the crease and opening up the goalie to tap it in backhanded and the nice net front spinning goal against Lehner.
He overcomes his shot to produce. His shot is just a complete non factor. I just am shocked it could never have been improved at any stage
I guess we're just gonna have to deal with the best setup guy in the NHL not named McDavid for the next half decade and probably the best in Leafs history who only pots 25-30 goals a season?
That sucks I guess?
social cues? after a win? where is this book of right and wrong time people are allowed to post? ive been on this board for 14 years and this is the first ive heard about this window for timing a post. may i remind you (again, since you didnt acknowlege the first time i pointed it out) that this thread titled "marner haters right now" was made immediately after a great game by Marner and nobody made any objections to its timing or title - in fact many posters that are objecting to my post are the ones who immediately jumped into this thread and began posting when it was made. ill also add that its a select few who wont post why they feel im wrong and post logically with evidence based rhetoric - instead they post things like "math is hard" or "imagine posting this during the streak we are on".
id love to get into a back and forth and be proven why I am way out to lunch with Marner but instead of my stats being proven wrong with additional stats or breakdowns of his play.... i get the usual suspects complaining about timing and math instead (and make it personal). if others feel im so incredibly wrong then they should gladly be able to show me why and id be glad to discuss it. I think its fair to discuss Marner right now - because I dont want to wait to discuss him in the postseason and wonder why this year he was more productive or why maybe he remains unproductive.
So far i think the team is looking more Playoff ready in terms of goals they are scoring, team defense and toughness but im not going to be bullied out of wondering out loud if Marners game is gonna be successful in this years playoffs. select posters just need to be less sensitive.
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ACC1224
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Not sure how anyone could be down on Marner now. He's been excellent, most consistent player on the team game in and out.
Michael HOMERUNing
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So when Marner has a bad game or bad stretch of games, everyone is allowed to defend him to universe’s end, posting whatever abstract stats they want to get their point across. But as soon as a poster does the opposite after a good game he gets ripped to oblivion?
ACC1224
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Why would you point out flaws after a good game? Doesn't make much sense to me.
I'm sure there are a few ready to pounce as soon as they think he has a bad game. Just pile on then.
