Marner haters right now

[EXTRAS]

If Marner was a winger making 6.9M people would have a better leg to stand on defending him. However he's a winger being paid 10.9M, and currently being outscored by Toronto's 6.9M winger (Nylander).

And only 4 points in front of bunting who makes 950k.

At the price he's being paid he should be above point per game. That being said, he saw an opportunity and got paid, so good on him.

 

[Twine Tickler]

If Marner was a winger making 6.9M people would have a better leg to stand on defending him. However he's a winger being paid 10.9M, and currently being outscored by Toronto's 6.9M winger (Nylander).

And only 4 points in front of bunting who makes 950k.

At the price he's being paid he should be above point per game. That being said, he saw an opportunity and got paid, so good on him.

this team is absolutely f***ing buzzin, Marner is playing well, and our entire team is playing well.

Why is there this constant narrative of Mitch's deal? It's clearly not holding our team back.

sit back and enjoy the ride

 

[ACC1224]

If Marner was a winger making 6.9M people would have a better leg to stand on defending him. However he's a winger being paid 10.9M, and currently being outscored by Toronto's 6.9M winger (Nylander).

And only 4 points in front of bunting who makes 950k.

At the price he's being paid he should be above point per game. That being said, he saw an opportunity and got paid, so good on him.

No defense is necessary. He's currently playing the best hockey of his career and the Team is better off for it.

 

[Lauro]

He was great last night. I thought his two assists were even better than the goals Matthews turned them into.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

it's weird to say, but he might be better defensively than offensively right now. And he's still pretty elite offensively

 

[Antropovsky]

Why would you point out flaws after a good game? Doesn't make much sense to me.
I'm sure there are a few ready to pounce as soon as they think he has a bad game. Just pile on then.

You posted this on page 2 of this thread. Again a case of the kettle calling the pot black.

Dominant.

Has anyone mentioned his contract or his performance in the playoffs yet? PP goals?

 

[EXTRAS]

No defense is necessary. He's currently playing the best hockey of his career and the Team is better off for it.

If the best of his career is under point per game, then there should need to be a defense when ur getting paid 11M.

An extra few million in cap space can be important.

 

[cipher]

If Marner was a winger making 6.9M people would have a better leg to stand on defending him. However he's a winger being paid 10.9M, and currently being outscored by Toronto's 6.9M winger (Nylander).

And only 4 points in front of bunting who makes 950k.

At the price he's being paid he should be above point per game. That being said, he saw an opportunity and got paid, so good on him.

The lack of logic in this post is outstanding. Well done.

 

[ACC1224]

If the best of his career is under point per game, then there should need to be a defense when ur getting paid 11M.

An extra few million in cap space can be important.

He's currently a career ppg player.
If you feel he is no longer a ppg player because he's just under after a 1/4 season, knock yourself out.

 

[ACC1224]

The lack of logic in this post is outstanding. Well done.

Yeah I really should have shown more restraint and just ignored it.

 

[Caroline Says ll]

I guess we're just gonna have to deal with the best setup guy in the NHL not named McDavid for the next half decade and probably the best in Leafs history who only pots 25-30 goals a season?

That sucks I guess?

Not sure how anyone could be down on Marner now. He's been excellent, most consistent player on the team game in and out.

I really do not consider the observation about Marner's shot to be complaining or being down on him.

One can appreciate the value as I have done in my posts to what he has brought to the team with his reads, skill, skating and vision - but also be perplexed to how absent the development of his shot has been.

 

[EXTRAS]

The lack of logic in this post is outstanding. Well done.

Explain how the post lacks logic.

 

[ACC1224]

I really do not consider the observation about Marner's shot to be complaining or being down on him.

One can appreciate the value as I have done in my posts to what he has brought to the team with his reads, skill, skating and vision - but also be perplexed to how absent the development of his shot has been.

It's better than when he first joined the team. He's never going to have an overpowering shot, he's average IMO, personally I don't see it as an issue.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

He was great last night. I thought his two assists were even better than the goals Matthews turned them into.

His pass on Matthews' first goal was ridiculous.

 

[Zybalto]

social cues? after a win? where is this book of right and wrong time people are allowed to post? ive been on this board for 14 years and this is the first ive heard about this window for timing a post. may i remind you (again, since you didnt acknowlege the first time i pointed it out) that this thread titled "marner haters right now" was made immediately after a great game by Marner and nobody made any objections to its timing or title - in fact many posters that are objecting to my post are the ones who immediately jumped into this thread and began posting when it was made. ill also add that its a select few who wont post why they feel im wrong and post logically with evidence based rhetoric - instead they post things like "math is hard" or "imagine posting this during the streak we are on".

id love to get into a back and forth and be proven why I am way out to lunch with Marner but instead of my stats being proven wrong with additional stats or breakdowns of his play.... i get the usual suspects complaining about timing and math instead (and make it personal). if others feel im so incredibly wrong then they should gladly be able to show me why and id be glad to discuss it. I think its fair to discuss Marner right now - because I dont want to wait to discuss him in the postseason and wonder why this year he was more productive or why maybe he remains unproductive.

So far i think the team is looking more Playoff ready in terms of goals they are scoring, team defense and toughness but im not going to be bullied out of wondering out loud if Marners game is gonna be successful in this years playoffs. select posters just need to be less sensitive.

Sooooo,

You think its completely rational in any sense, as a Leafs fan, to make your response to an amazing game like that and an amazing performance by Marner be a response that rips on his play?

It's literally right after the game at the point when most people would be coming to celebrate a win.

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but it is EXACTLY what a troll account would do.

OK, Leaving aside how freaking bizarre it would that the first thing a Leafs fan would do after a game would be to post that, why not just wait a couple of hours before wanting to discuss that and spend some time high fiving with the rest of us?

Really strange social behaviour for a Leafs fan no?

 

[ACC1224]

His pass on Matthews' first goal was ridiculous.

Second goal was pretty good too. Not many players in the league can make either of those passes.

 

[DarkKnight]

Sooooo,

You think its completely rational in any sense, as a Leafs fan, to make your response to an amazing game like that and an amazing performance by Marner be a response that rips on his play?

It's literally right after the game at the point when most people would be coming to celebrate a win.

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but it is EXACTLY what a troll account would do.

OK, Leaving aside how freaking bizarre it would that the first thing a Leafs fan would do after a game would be to post that, why not just wait a couple of hours before wanting to discuss that and spend some time high fiving with the rest of us?

Really strange social behaviour for a Leafs fan no?

The funny thing, your first instinct after a win is to throw shade at someone with some invented/irrelevant competition, or worse still actually wasting your time cobbling together stats like that instead of enjoying the win for five minutes, one wherein Marner played like an absolute 200 foot stud. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, just don’t get angry when another opinion notes what an ass you look like.

 

[Dekes For Days]

id love to get into a back and forth and be proven why I am way out to lunch with Marner

No you wouldn't, because every single time, people do get in back and forths with you, and you refuse to acknowledge the facts they bring, insult them, make up fake stories from the past, play victim, and then disappear, before you do it all over again in a couple weeks.

Eventually, one doesn't bother because they realize what somebody's objective is when they come into a thread about a player who just had a great game, after a dominating win (that they apparently only saw in highlights) against one of the best teams in the league in a 15-2 stretch, and try to pit two players on the team against each other. People that want actual discussions don't start them like that. There's literally zero reason to try and use Nylander's excellent play thus far against Marner. Most fans would just enjoy having multiple amazing players, and the winning team in front of them.

Though to answer your question, if one were to actually watch these games or look at any of the underlying metrics beyond raw points, they'd see how well he's playing - relentless on the puck, generating chances at the same level he has over the past 3 years, playing excellent defensively, leading the league in takeaways, etc. Sure we'd love to see more production out of him, but there's literally no reason to think that won't come as this season's sample expands. Pretty much the whole team had been shooting well below their average - especially Matthews - and Marner's OISH% is well below the level he's been at for the past 3 years. We're in the middle of seeing the team's offensive explosion correcting that now.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

It is clear to me that some people follow this team just to have something to bitch about in their spare time. Even when things are rolling and Marner is playing well, the stats sticklers whine about "mUh PpG"

 

[Antropovsky]

Sooooo,

You think its completely rational in any sense, as a Leafs fan, to make your response to an amazing game like that and an amazing performance by Marner be a response that rips on his play?

It's literally right after the game at the point when most people would be coming to celebrate a win.

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but it is EXACTLY what a troll account would do.

OK, Leaving aside how freaking bizarre it would that the first thing a Leafs fan would do after a game would be to post that, why not just wait a couple of hours before wanting to discuss that and spend some time high fiving with the rest of us?

Really strange social behaviour for a Leafs fan no?

let me make sure i understand this correctly... you think that when a team is playing well that only conversations of sunshines and rainbows are allowed? have you seen the number of threads and posts these boards have? Also i can assure you that other fan bases that are playing well still have discussions of individual play *gasp even those that are critical* after wins.

 

[mikeyz]

It is clear to me that some people follow this team just to have something to bitch about in their spare time. Even when things are rolling and Marner is playing well, the stats sticklers whine about "mUh PpG"

Unfortunately, until they at the very least win a playoff round, it’s going to be like this.

 

[Antropovsky]

No you wouldn't, because every single time, people do get in back and forths with you, and you refuse to acknowledge the facts they bring, insult them, make up fake stories from the past, play victim, and then disappear, before you do it all over again in a couple weeks.

Eventually, one doesn't bother because they realize what somebody's objective is when they come into a thread about a player who just had a great game, after a dominating win (that they apparently only saw in highlights) against one of the best teams in the league in a 15-2 stretch, and try to pit two players on the team against each other. People that want actual discussions don't start them like that. There's literally zero reason to try and use Nylander's excellent play thus far against Marner. Most fans would just enjoy having multiple amazing players, and the winning team in front of them.

Though to answer your question, if one were to actually watch these games or look at any of the underlying metrics beyond raw points, they'd see how well he's playing - relentless on the puck, generating chances at the same level he has over the past 3 years, playing excellent defensively, leading the league in takeaways, etc. Sure we'd love to see more production out of him, but there's literally no reason to think that won't come as this season's sample expands. Pretty much the whole team had been shooting well below their average - especially Matthews - and Marner's OISH% is well below the level he's been at for the past 3 years. We're in the middle of seeing the team's offensive explosion correcting that now.

if i were to actually watch these games? was this not the very same argument you gave on why i was incorrect aboit Marner during the playoffs? sure it was, you kept saying i was wrong about Marner and you kept saying he was playing great playoff hockey - your argument on why you were right and i was wrong was that you knew more than me because you have watched every single game and i dont watch full 60 mins.

so you were wrong then but are using the same argument now? i can certainly easily retrieve your posts from the postseason where you said these very thing - i mean i wouldnt want you to think im making up fake stories. should i do that?

you are describing yourself in everything you posted above. in fact after the playoffs you were the one who went quiet because you had spent the entire playoffs saying Marner was excellent and attacking anyone who disagreed.

 

[ACC1224]

It is clear to me that some people follow this team just to have something to bitch about in their spare time. Even when things are rolling and Marner is playing well, the stats sticklers whine about "mUh PpG"

It's a bizarre phenomena. I can be critical at times when their play warrants it. I don't know how you can find fault now. (Other than Holl, he sucks. )

 

[Antropovsky]

It's a bizarre phenomena. I can be critical at times when their play warrants it. I don't know how you can find fault now. (Other than Holl, he sucks. )

its more bizarre to me seeing people complain about what people are posting about and the timing instead of just posting why they disagree with the actual post - more time is spent in threads now with poster trying to be psychiatrists rather than responding with evidence based reasoning on why they are wrong. Dont like a comment - prove them wrong! or just ignore them. Its a pretty simple concept.

 

[Zybalto]

let me make sure i understand this correctly... you think that when a team is playing well that only conversations of sunshines and rainbows are allowed? have you seen the number of threads and posts these boards have? Also i can assure you that other fan bases that are playing well still have discussions of individual play *gasp even those that are critical* after wins.

You dont understand it correctly.

There's nothing wrong with posting what you did (everyone and their dog has posted such stuff the last few months) or posting what you did during a winning streak.

Can you even admit in the slightest that posting what you did about said player just a few minutes after he has an incredible game in which the team destroys last seasons President trophy winner as they continue their historic winning streak (15-2 now) instead of celebrating seems very freaking weird for a Leafs fan? There are so many troll's lurking about, it's not a great idea to impersonate them.