Marner haters right now

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It's a bizarre phenomena. I can be critical at times when their play warrants it. I don't know how you can find fault now. (Other than Holl, he sucks. :laugh:)

Hey, I've defended Holl in the past but the guy is really fighting it lately. Was nice to see Dermott get a goal as hes been pretty bad too. The only two dmen I can really be that critical of this year which is nice.
 
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if i were to actually watch these games? was this not the very same argument you gave on why i was incorrect aboit Marner during the playoffs? sure it was, you kept saying i was wrong about Marner and you kept saying he was playing great playoff hockey and that your argument on why you were right and i was wrong was that you knew more than me because you have watched every single game and i dont watch full 60 mins.
No, that wasn't the argument for why you were incorrect about Marner during the playoffs. You were incorrect about Marner during the playoffs because on top of not watching, you were ignoring literally everything other than raw points over a 3-4 game sample, and the statements you made about Marner after a great game in a series the Leafs were leading were factually incorrect.

You literally admitted a page ago that you just watched the highlights, and in your attempt to pit two of our players against each other, you excluded his points from last night, and then incorrectly referred to his two assists last night as PP assists, when the Leafs didn't even score on the PP. I guess it just looked like a PP because of how dominant he was. This was only brought up again because just like last time, it's weird for somebody to have such adamant opinions about something they don't even bother to watch.
so you were wrong then but are using the same argument now?
I wasn't wrong then at all. I've been correct both times.
in fact after the playoffs you were the one who went quiet
I've been here the whole time, thanks, but don't let that stop you from continuing to make up stories about the past. Funny how you said you wanted a legitimate discussion and then completely ignored the entire part of my post engaging in the discussion you claim to have wanted. Seems nothing has changed.
 
Hey, I've defended Holl in the past but the guy is really fighting it lately. Was nice to see Dermott get a goal as hes been pretty bad too. The only two dmen I can really be that critical of this year which is nice.
I have a soft spot for Travis, blinds me a bit.
We still call him Der Mott, not Der Mitt as he's now known.
 
No, that wasn't the argument for why you were incorrect about Marner during the playoffs. You were incorrect about Marner during the playoffs because on top of not watching, you were ignoring literally everything other than raw points over a 3-4 game sample, and the statements you made about Marner after a great game in a series the Leafs were leading were factually incorrect.

You literally admitted a page ago that you just watched the highlights, and in your attempt to pit two of our players against each other, you excluded his points from last night, and then incorrectly referred to his two assists last night as PP assists, when the Leafs didn't even score on the PP. I guess it just looked like a PP because of how dominant he was. This was only brought up again because just like last time, it's weird for somebody to have such adamant opinions about something they don't even bother to watch.

I wasn't wrong then at all. I've been correct both times.

I've been here the whole time, thanks, but don't let that stop you from continuing to make up stories about the past. Funny how you said you wanted a legitimate discussion and then completely ignored the entire part of my post engaging in the discussion you claim to have wanted. Seems nothing has changed.
your not beinf very clear here... i said Marner wasnt playing good enough and you said he was playing great. we had the discussion throughout the series and you kept sayinf you were right because you watch full games and i didnt... yet in the end i was right, his play was not good enough. you can get as wordy as you want to distract from the facts as you want. yet here we are again with you using the same argument as the one that failed you in the playoffs. just because you watch more of a game doesnt make you more of an expert than others.... as you proved.

all im saying is defend with stats and breakdowns of his play. would love to hear it - i appreciate others thoughts whether they warched 10 or 60 minutes and dont use it to heavily weigh if i think the person is knowlegeable or not, their evidence based reasoning will be enough.
 
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your not beinf very clear here...
Ok, let's be clear.

During the playoffs, after Marner had a great game, the team won, and the team was leading the series, you came into the Marner thread, and made objectively false statements about him and the game you admitted to not watching.

Last night, after Marner had a great game that you again admitted you didn't watch, and the team decimated the reigning President trophy winner to top off a 15-2 run, you immediately came into this Marner thread, and tried to stir up drama by pitting two of our amazing players against each other.

Both times, I didn't say that I was correct because I watched the games and you didn't, but merely questioned how you could have these adamant opinions about something you haven't seen, especially when you so adamantly refuse to accept any metric, statistic, or measure of his play other than raw points. Both times, I correctly identified that Marner was playing well by every other measure, and that even his lesser production during specific stretches (that pretty much everybody goes through at times) was largely offset by his dominance defensively and in the lesser appreciated aspects of play during those stretches.

Both times, you have completely ignored everything other than raw points, and both times, you didn't even get his raw points correct. Both times, you have been wrong about pretty much everything. Despite suggesting that you want a legitimate discussion, you have avoided the prompt for legitimate discussion in my earlier post, and instead have chosen to misrepresent past discussions and insult people who didn't appreciate your intentionally provocative opening post.
 
its more bizarre to me seeing people complain about what people are posting about and the timing instead of just posting why they disagree with the actual post - more time is spent in threads now with poster trying to be psychiatrists rather than responding with evidence based reasoning on why they are wrong. Dont like a comment - prove them wrong! or just ignore them. Its a pretty simple concept.
This is based on a faulty premise: that those people are worth engaging with. There's nothing productive to be gained by trying to "prove them wrong", all it does is reaffirm the idea that their drivel is valid.
Anyway, if you think that's bizzarre, I'm not sure how you don't see how bizzarre your post is, as you are also complaining about what people are posting lol.
 
We could definitely have used Marner tonight. Definitely missed him on those powerplays. But then again he struggles against tight checking teams so who knows how much a difference it would make
 
We could definitely have used Marner tonight. Definitely missed him on those powerplays. But then again he struggles against tight checking teams so who knows how much a difference it would make
Can’t remember the exact stat cited last year, but he actually had way better production against the top ten defensive teams than say Matthews for instance. But thanks for taking the time to come in with a crude soft bash even when he doesn’t play. Too funny, or is it sad, or both?
 
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Don't know if you post was made before or after the two PP goals the Leafs scored yesterday but...the Leafs had two PP goals....

The one by Spezza went through Talbot and the one by Matty was assisted by Spezza. Small sample size but shooter Spezza in for playmaker Marner was a success, Rielly also assisted on both goals.
 
Don't know if you post was made before or after the two PP goals the Leafs scored yesterday but...the Leafs had two PP goals....

& Jason Spezza the player that replaced him scored a PP goal, and set up another to Matthews. Marner hasn't scored a PP goal now coming up on nearly 100 games.

The powerplay results suggested that switching Spezza for Marner had a positive not negative net result.
 
& Jason Spezza the player that replaced him scored a PP goal, and set up another to Matthews. Marner hasn't scored a PP goal now coming up on nearly 100 games.

The powerplay results suggested that switching Spezza for Marner had a positive not negative net result.
I mean it boggles the mind that they were basically forced to try this. Spezza is a great passer and has a good shot. If 16 goes back in there you gotta wonder
 
Why can't we see the hit in practice? Does a Zapbruder film exist? Makes me think this isn't innocent.
 
6-10-3 when he’s out of lineup for what that’s worth.
Figured

it is a bit skewed in my opinion because that 6-7 game losing streak with Babcock was gonna happen with him playing or not .. the team wanted him gone and Marner being injured vs not wasn’t gonna change that. But still it’s a weird trend to notice
 
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I’m not going to say what I think of Marner’s willingness to enjoin the fray, ‘as a precaution.’
 
Marner injury update please
The gutless coward who needs to be traded for cap space as you stated was last seen riding an exercise bike which points to a concussion assessment. With any luck, he gets put on ltir and they can get some temporary cap relief.
 
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Yea it's pretty evident he's probably our most important player, if not tied with Matthews (besides Campbell) but our record without Matthews has been actually decent. Our PK has been crap in the 2 games he's missed also.
Regular season doesnt matter though...amiright?
 

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