Dino Tkachuk
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Putting your needs ahead of someone or something else, for profit. I believe that's the exact definition of selfish.
Salary Cap: Marner Deal Discussion Part II
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Were Tavares, Matthews, and Nylander unselfish in your opinion?
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Dino Tkachuk
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They are all selfish in one way or another. The second you believe you need to "get what you're worth" you have put yourself ahead of the team.
That said, this is the "new way" of doing things and the value of experience has been minimized.
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I'm not sure the offer sheet is going to happen based on a team giving up 4 first round picks.
I haven't done the research but I seem to believe (from reading on here) that there were only a handful of teams who had all of their first round picks for the next 4 years. And of those teams, most of them were mid level to bottom feeding teams. If Mitch is enticed by going to a bottom feeder, then so be it...
I haven't done the research but I seem to believe (from reading on here) that there were only a handful of teams who had all of their first round picks for the next 4 years. And of those teams, most of them were mid level to bottom feeding teams. If Mitch is enticed by going to a bottom feeder, then so be it...
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sorry if this has been done already, what teams could realistically make an offer sheet that are good enough that you're worried about not getting at least a couple of top 10 picks as compensation?
A few teams who could like Columbus & SJ don't have their 1st round picks, so they're out
Colorado - who will have to deal with both Makar & whoever they select with the 4OA to deal with in a couple of years, so they may be weary of an offer sheet war
Florida - where whatever Marner makes in endorsements drops dramatically
Buffalo - who will have Dahlin to deal with in a couple of years, so they may be weary of starting an offer sheet war
maybe Dallas? - who will have to be weary of offer sheets for Heiskanen in a couple of years
NYI - with Barzal & Pulock to deal with next year and a slough of good prospects after, so may be weary of the offer sheet war, and honestly I don't know if that's enough star power to make them a contender even with Marner
Carolina - with Aho this year and Svechnikov in 2, ditto
but personally, if any of Ottawa, NJ, Philly, Vancouver, Minnesota, NYR, Arizona want to try, their 4 x 1st should be a hell of a bounty especially with fitting in a Marner contract that we think is too much to match
A few teams who could like Columbus & SJ don't have their 1st round picks, so they're out
Colorado - who will have to deal with both Makar & whoever they select with the 4OA to deal with in a couple of years, so they may be weary of an offer sheet war
Florida - where whatever Marner makes in endorsements drops dramatically
Buffalo - who will have Dahlin to deal with in a couple of years, so they may be weary of starting an offer sheet war
maybe Dallas? - who will have to be weary of offer sheets for Heiskanen in a couple of years
NYI - with Barzal & Pulock to deal with next year and a slough of good prospects after, so may be weary of the offer sheet war, and honestly I don't know if that's enough star power to make them a contender even with Marner
Carolina - with Aho this year and Svechnikov in 2, ditto
but personally, if any of Ottawa, NJ, Philly, Vancouver, Minnesota, NYR, Arizona want to try, their 4 x 1st should be a hell of a bounty especially with fitting in a Marner contract that we think is too much to match
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FWIW, someone with deep connections to the game and has an ear of many GM's (I'm not going to say who because some of you will instantly reject it with "well he's an idiot") was on the radio this morning and said that Mitch Marner IS worth the 4 first round picks and $11M salary and said that the Rangers (hypothetically) could be a team that does this because they have loads of cap space and stock piled tons of picks as currency.
But just dismiss this guys, not happening.
But just dismiss this guys, not happening.
Dreger is a fear monger.
I don't believe for a second that Mitch has any intention of signing an offer sheet, nor that we'd allow it to get that far.
I don't believe for a second that Mitch has any intention of signing an offer sheet, nor that we'd allow it to get that far.
I think some of you in this thread severely underappreciate how rare Auston Matthews actually is as a hockey player.
How many players go #1 overall, come into the league very next season, and then over the course of their ELC go on to be the most productive goal scorer in the entire league. Then consider how few of those near him got less powerplay opportunity or predominantly played 2nd powerplay unit, OR played on a regular line for their first 2 years with no linemate more experienced than themself, or how many of the players in question were centers, who are far more commonly playmakers instead of shooters... even fewer of which 6'3" 220lbs.
To be honest, Matthews is a player who doesn't exactly have a real comparable.
How many players go #1 overall, come into the league very next season, and then over the course of their ELC go on to be the most productive goal scorer in the entire league. Then consider how few of those near him got less powerplay opportunity or predominantly played 2nd powerplay unit, OR played on a regular line for their first 2 years with no linemate more experienced than themself, or how many of the players in question were centers, who are far more commonly playmakers instead of shooters... even fewer of which 6'3" 220lbs.
To be honest, Matthews is a player who doesn't exactly have a real comparable.
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When you have all the leverage no RFA should get $11M unless your name is Connor McDavid or you are negotiating with a novice. "Teams" win Stanley Cups and if you pay 4 forwards close to 50% of your cap you cannot build a team. Mitch may have to look elsewhere if he wants more than Kucherov money.
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I've floated the NYR myself on this board idea as the biggest OS threat as they have the will to make a splash on braodway, the desire to be a Stanley Cup playoff team, the means $$$ and have loaded up on recent high picks and will have the #2 this year adding young Finish stud Kappo Kakko.
NY might also be among the few teams the Marner's (parents Paul and Bonnie included) might endorse the idea of signing an offersheet to play there as the money would validate the move.
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ULF_55
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Senators make more sense to me.
Do they have their 1st. rounders in 22 and 23?
Sure the return for the Leafs could be good, but the return for the Senators would be Marner.
And it would be "putting it to the Leafs."
According to capfriendly every team can meet the requirements of having their own 1st rounds picks available for all of the required 4 years of 2020-2023.
ULF_55
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Columbus conditionally own their own 1st., not sure of other conditional picks out there.
More it is about Cap space, and if Marner would actually want to sign there.
Do you think Eugene is willing to sign a contract of that size, front-loaded with big signing bonuses?
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Do you not believe you should get what your worth in your own work??
As far as I know the only way that Ottawa would received Columbus's first round pick for 202o, instead of 2019, was if Columbus's 2019 first rounder was a top-3 pick. So Columbus making the playoffs removed the conditions on the pick and guaranteed that their first round pick this year goes to Ottawa and they keep their first round pick next year.
Nithoniniel
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I think they'll go either 4 years or 7 years for Marner. 4 years would put him as the only big contract that year, with Rielly extended the year before. A 7 year deal brings him to 2 years after Nylander and Matthews, 1 year after Tavares. Though of course, they could go six years if they think that Tavares will either be gone at that point or have declined enough that he can be available cheap.
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None of this should come as a surprise. This won't get done unless the terms are comparable to Matthews' contract. We can only hope that we get more term on Marner's deal.
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Off course we don't have access to the exact dollar figure, but right now, I have a can of Red Bull with Mitch's face on it sitting in my fridge, and hardly a day goes by that I don't see an ad with Marner's face on it on my tv.
His current list of sponsors includes:
Visa
GoodFood
Intact
Red Bull
Chevrolet
Amazon (Alexa)
Beats by Dre
Call of Duty
Bulova
American Express
True Hockey
And this is now, when the Leafs are still yet to win a playoff round in more than a decade. Imagine his sponsorship dollars when the team actually wins?
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