Salary Cap: Marner contract signing watch discussion.

[HoweHullOrr]

If you want to play in Toronto you have to pay the taxes.

Is it possible that Toronto isn't the only good team or city to play for, or live in? Do people generally like more alternatives, or fewer?

 

[bentharbs]

I am a huge leafs fan, but I would much rather play in LA, Anh, SJ, or TB.

 

[willmma]

Is it possible that Toronto isn't the only good team or city to play for, or live in? Do people generally like more alternatives, or fewer?

I don't know what you're saying.
I'm talking about tax reality. Not about good or bad teams.

Toronto, Ottawa also. Most other teams have state/provincial tax.

Players have to pay the tax, not the team. Otherwise go play in Florida or Texas.

It's a simple fact, If you want to play in Toronto you must pay taxes.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I don't know what you're saying.
I'm talking about tax reality. Not about good or bad teams.

Toronto, Ottawa also. Most other teams have state/provincial tax.

Players have to pay the tax, not the team. Otherwise go play in Florida or Texas.

It's a simple fact, If you want to play in Toronto you must pay taxes.

OK then. My bad. I didn't know you were stating the obvious.

 

[supsens]

Kucherov scored 41 goals 128 points and signed $9.5M x 8. Kuchi played with Stamkos.

I know taxes are a standard argument here but, the cap doesnt take into account taxes. So taxes shouldnt count. Taxes are the cost players have to pay for playing in Toronto.

Marner scored 26 goals and 94 points playing with Tavares.

if we use point production as a measure then Marner produced 73% of Kuchi. 73% of $9.5M is $6.97M (whoa! Willy money!?)

Heck, never mind my tax talk from before. lets cover the 13% Ontario income tax. That's $7.88M.

Now lets give him another $1 million because we wuuuuuuv him more than Tampa loves Kuchi.

Finally Dubas caves on term. so I say he'll get $9M x 4.

You read it here first.

Everyone was shocked he signed a contract that small and people in Canada started to debate the unfair tax advantage and wanted the cap changed to account for taxes because there was no way to get a player that good so cheap in Toronto.
Member? I do

 

[Jozay]

This guy feels under appreciated? LOL

Get a grip bro

 

[diceman934]

I hope they are just being trolled.

If this is actually how they feel, it won't go over well with teammates making 25% of what he thinks is beneath him.

First there was Robidas Island, now there'll be Marner's Island of the Entitled.

It is the Nylander island your talking about. The island of entitlement.

 

[hockeywiz542]

TSN Hockey Bobcast - Season 3 - Episode 16

In this edition of the TSN Hockey Bobcast, TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie discusses the Carolina Hurricanes playoff run, the management changes in Vegas as well as the possible offer sheet/contract negotiations surrounding Mitch Marner.

Bob McKenzie starts talking about the possible offer sheet/contract negotiations surrounding Mitch Marner at around the 54:00 mark of this audio clip.

 

[Cor]

 

[Mr Hockey]

means nothing to Mitch and most people ...

 

[Notsince67]

Yeah. This is a credible pundit

 

[socko]

I am a huge leafs fan, but I would much rather play in LA, Anh, SJ, or TB.

Dallas, Florida, Vegas, Nashville, or Tampa for me.

 

[Cor]

Yeah. This is a credible pundit

I don’t even know who the person is.

But the stats are the stats. Matthews is dominant when he plays.

 

[ryno23]

Typical toronto media trolling leaf fans with a Marner offer sheet. Go look at TB. They have 5 million inpotential cap space and gotta sign Point. Then is 2 years Vasilivesky and sergachev.

Go look at Wpg. They gotta sign Trouba, Laine and connor.

So yeah Marner gets a mil more and we lose an AJ or Kappy in a trade but still get somethi g back

Not all doom and gloom like the TO media wants us to believe

 

[Jozay]

Yeah. This is a credible pundit

Completely irrelevant. That person is just posting numbers that anybody can access. The messenger doesnt matter.

 

[Notsince67]

I don’t even know who the person is.

But the stats are the stats. Matthews is dominant when he plays.

Yeah she is a Nylander lover who loves to knock down Marner just because she is sore that he has the audacity to be better. We have plenty of those around here.

 

[Notsince67]

Completely irrelevant. That person is just posting numbers that anybody can access. The messenger doesnt matter.

The problem is what was missed. These are a diarrhea of stats. Why cite 1st is EV goals and then move to points/60 .
I can pull all kinds of stats too.
Such an incredible individual who has won the point title for his team 1/3 times. The other inferior player won it 2/3 years.
The inferior player had to play PK which is more taxing than ES and still put up the same EV minutes per game as the alleged superior player.

Lets talk about EV goals above replacement (GAR).
MM=11.8
AM=7.6
or total GAR
MM=18.1
AM=11.1

I guess in your world, if Matthews got hurt for 60 games next year, he would still be seen as superior to Marner as long as his point/60 was close.
This is the real problem with people who describe game solely with the use of selected stats. You fail to watch the nuance of the game flow. There is no universe that has Marner way bellow Matthews in skill. I know enough of this game and have watch enough of both to know this is a fact.

 

[Jozay]

The problem is what was missed. These are a diarrhea of stats. Why cite 1st is EV goals and then move to points/60 .
I can pull all kinds of stats too.
Such an incredible individual who has won the point title for his team 1/3 times. The other inferior player won it 2/3 years.
The inferior player had to play PK which is more taxing than ES and still put up the same EV minutes per game as the alleged superior player.

Lets talk about EV goals above replacement (GAR).
MM=11.8
AM=7.6
or total GAR
MM=18.1
AM=11.1

I guess in your world, if Matthews got hurt for 60 games next year, he would still be seen as superior to Marner as long as his point/60 was close.
This is the real problem with people who describe game solely with the use of selected stats. You fail to watch the nuance of the game flow. There is no universe that has Marner way bellow Matthews in skill. I know enough of this game and have watch enough of both to know this is a fact.

I was just addressing your post, not the numbers.

I am of the opinion that these two are closer than people think and that Marner deserves to be relatively close to Matthews in salary.

 

[Notsince67]

I was just addressing your post, not the numbers.

I am of the opinion that these two are closer than people think and that Marner deserves to be relatively close to Matthews in salary.

I am not even saying that. I think they are relatively close in skill too but I think Mathhews contract is an overpay and should have bought at least 2 more years. The leafs would have had space to get Marner lower in cap with a lower term. This Matthews contract is the worse possible contract to appease Marner with less. If Marner holds to his assertion of parity, we are looking at 10.5x3 years just to get over the hump. That leaves the leafs with 1 year before free agency to not piss him off with a low offer. Dubas had better pray he doesn't continue to improve or we will be looking at league maximum just to retain him.

So much for the long cup window.

 

[ULF_55]

It is the Nylander island your talking about. The island of entitlement.

Nylander just likes playing hockey that's why he played the World's last year without a contract.

 

[Notsince67]

Nylander just likes playing hockey that's why he played the World's last year without a contract.

Well its not like his performance could justify his ask anyways.

 

[Jozay]

I am not even saying that. I think they are relatively close in skill too but I think Mathhews contract is an overpay and should have bought at least 2 more years. The leafs would have had space to get Marner lower in cap with a lower term. This Matthews contract is the worse possible contract to appease Marner with less. If Marner holds to his assertion of parity, we are looking at 10.5x3 years just to get over the hump. That leaves the leafs with 1 year before free agency to not piss him off with a low offer. Dubas had better pray he doesn't continue to improve or we will be looking at league maximum just to retain him.

So much for the long cup window.

Yeah, I thought Matthews should've gotten about a million less considering the term.

I dont think Marner will get that much for 3 years, but maybe for 5 or 6.

 

[diceman934]

The problem is what was missed. These are a diarrhea of stats. Why cite 1st is EV goals and then move to points/60 .
I can pull all kinds of stats too.
Such an incredible individual who has won the point title for his team 1/3 times. The other inferior player won it 2/3 years.
The inferior player had to play PK which is more taxing than ES and still put up the same EV minutes per game as the alleged superior player.

Lets talk about EV goals above replacement (GAR).
MM=11.8
AM=7.6
or total GAR
MM=18.1
AM=11.1

I guess in your world, if Matthews got hurt for 60 games next year, he would still be seen as superior to Marner as long as his point/60 was close.
This is the real problem with people who describe game solely with the use of selected stats. You fail to watch the nuance of the game flow. There is no universe that has Marner way bellow Matthews in skill. I know enough of this game and have watch enough of both to know this is a fact.

Exactly. I do not take lightly when I say that Mitch is our best player. He simply is. It will become more obvious as the years go on. Just my opinion.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Matthews scored 25 even strength goals this season
Marner scored 22 even strength goals this season
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Matthews had 17 first assists at even strength this season
Marner had 40 first assists at even strength this season

 

[TML Dynasty]

Matthews scored 25 even strength goals this season
Marner scored 22 even strength goals this season
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Matthews had 17 first assists at even strength this season
Marner had 40 first assists at even strength this season

Marner played with....
Matthews played with....

Arguments go around and around. Either way Mitch is a special talent....the most likely to take a little discount IMO....and should get a great offer. Just hope for the team it’s around 10 at most