Salary Cap: Marner contract signing watch discussion.

[Einzakin]

Mathews 10 goals 3 assist for 13 points in 20 playoff games

Marner 5 goals 12 assists 17 points in 20 playoff games.

One player was on the ice for a lot of goals against in game 7.

Alot of goals against or 2 clear mistakes by defencemen that had nothing to do with the Center? I think we all know the answer to that question lol. Also, are you counting empty netters now as well?

 

[Mr Hockey]

• they both scored more goals and play centre, the more important position

• that's nice, assists aren't worth as much as goals contractually though

• he scored mid 60 points last season, so let's control ourselves over that one

• Tavares has had a lot of high scoring seasons, let's not pretend it's all Marner

• that's nice, Kucherov led the league in points and got a 9.5M×8 year UFA contract recently, so 11M?

• don't really care, he's still not our best player

• PP was good, PK was historically bad in the playoffs, so yay for him?

• Matthews was injured for a quarter of the season and still beat his ES goal total by 3

• got eaten alive in the playoffs taking those hardest matchups

• so, this is a contract negotiation, who cares if it "looks good"? should he get extra because of his smile as well?

bud, what's your point here, its silly and Sparks is done as a Leaf ... lol

my point is Marner is going to ask for and get 11 AAV ... don't bring up outdated contracts into this, Marner and his agents will just laugh them off, like Willie, Matthews did ...

 

[thewave]

HC's Brian Burke says people in Toronto underestimate the tax differential between Canada and the U.S., says it makes a huge difference to even Canadian born players, and thinks the Toronto Maple Leafs have to fight to sign Mitch Marner for more than 5 years.

Need a miracle, he was offended and with good reason. The Matthews contract is a slap in the face vs the offer he was given. The moment Dubas is fired everyone in the media will turn on him and say how bad the deal was and what happened.

 

[egd27]

It is impossible to know for sure that Willie would not have received a similar - or higher - number had he been dealing with any other GM. Do I believe that every team would have eventually signed him at 7? No. But some would have, I am pretty sure about that (although it is quite impossible to prove, as I noted).

Any of the others could have presented an offer sheet but didn't (that we know of)

But in all fairness, it would have been 7M plus draft compensation so it's not apples to apples

 

[saffronleaf]

Mathews 10 goals 3 assist for 13 points in 20 playoff games

Marner 5 goals 12 assists 17 points in 20 playoff games.

One player was on the ice for a lot of goals against in game 7.

I was talking about the 2019 series, where Marner was abysmal.

 

[thewave]

I was talking about the 2019 series, where Marner was abysmal.

Matthews was signed based on a 2018 PO series where he was abysmal. Doesn't seem to matter with Kyle unless it matters if your last name is other than Matthews or Nylander.

 

[Bigmarycombo]

Sparks is under contract and everybody knows Dubas is a fan, he could certainly get an opportunity in camp even if Babcock thinks he sucks (which is probably the correct read on him)

At no point have I ever said Marner isn't a fantastic player, that doesn't however mean he can't price himself off the team, highly unlikely I'll admit but it's still possible if he's a big enough headache in negotiations and forces managements hand

They need Marner signed so they can work out the cap situation around Kapanen, Johnsson and the entire defensive core, there is a timeline and if Marner slow walks negotiations and fights for every penny management is going to have some tough decisions to make

You can't have one player put you over a barrel so you can't sort the rest of the team out before the season starts, the team is bigger than one extremely important player in this regard

That’s what Dubas did with Nylander. He signed them in the wrong order.

It should have been importance to the team.

Matthews signed first
Marner signed next
Nylander signed next

Dubas went about it ass backwards.he let Nylander dictate the deal and when the other two saw that he didn’t take one for the team then why should they.

The leafs already screwed Marner by telling him they don’t give out bonuses and then signing Matthews to all his bonuses.

Mitch will get paid because he has improved every year.

Nylander and Matthews got paid for what they hope they will become.

 

[Stephen]

Need a miracle, he was offended and with good reason. The Matthews contract is a slap in the face vs the offer he was given. The moment Dubas is fired everyone in the media will turn on him and say how bad the deal was and what happened.

Mitch Marner has a great persona, local guy and a dazzling hockey player living out Leaf Nation dreams, but you do kind of have to wonder if a guy actually feels offended by making Patrick Kane money at 22 has a screw loose.

 

[BlueStorm]

Tax Calculator | Gavin Group

This looks like a good website to compare income tax between teams.

 

[Bigmarycombo]

He outpointed our best player by playing with a franchise C all year.

You seriously think: Johnsson-Matthews-Kapanen is a comparable line to Hyman-Tavares-Marner?

Well you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

He outpointed Matthews when that line was

Hyman Matthews and Nylander
That is comparable to Hyman Tavares Marner
So really no excuse

 

[IBeL34f]

Well you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

He outpointed Matthews when that line was

Hyman Matthews and Nylander
That is comparable to Hyman Tavares Marner
So really no excuse

Marner only outpointed Matthews last year if you completely ignore the fact that he played 20 games more than Auston did.

2017/18:
Matthews - 1.02 P/GP; 3.36 P/60
Marner - 0.84 P/GP; 3.08 P/60

I loves me some Marner, but he didn't truly outproduce Matthews until he played with Tavares, during the same season that Matthews played with two rookies.

 

[Kiwi]

That’s what Dubas did with Nylander. He signed them in the wrong order.

It should have been importance to the team.

Matthews signed first
Marner signed next
Nylander signed next

Dubas went about it ass backwards.he let Nylander dictate the deal and when the other two saw that he didn’t take one for the team then why should they.

The leafs already screwed Marner by telling him they don’t give out bonuses and then signing Matthews to all his bonuses.

Mitch will get paid because he has improved every year.

Nylander and Matthews got paid for what they hope they will become.

Nylander didn't hold up the rest of the team building, we didn't have the likes of Johnsson, Kapanen and the defense to sort after he signed like Marner

We weren't up against the cap like we will be this off-season where one contract will effect the entire team makeup

Hold up, you realize that Nylander's contract was first in line right? He couldn't force the other two to go first, they had another year on there ECL's to run

Nylander didn't

Don't kid yourself, Matthews is the more valuable player and Marner has every right to fight for every dollar available to him

He just needs to realize that if he does he may get himself shipped out of town, the team can only pay him so much before they cut there losses and go in another direction

 

[Stephen]

That’s what Dubas did with Nylander. He signed them in the wrong order.

It should have been importance to the team.

Matthews signed first
Marner signed next
Nylander signed next

Dubas went about it ass backwards.he let Nylander dictate the deal and when the other two saw that he didn’t take one for the team then why should they.

The leafs already screwed Marner by telling him they don’t give out bonuses and then signing Matthews to all his bonuses.

Mitch will get paid because he has improved every year.

Nylander and Matthews got paid for what they hope they will become.

Disagree.

The big fear would have been dragging up Marner and Nylander towards Matthews money before the 2018-19 season, so the order should have been Nylander first, then Marner before you paired him up with Tavares, and then Matthews last.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

As Bobby Mac said about Nylander... Coming off 2 - 61 point years, he was worth Pasta money. If he sat out the year, the same people now saying Dubas paid too much would be saying Dubas was a idiot for not signing him... They same will hold true for Marner... People will never be happy

This is so true. At the end of the day you can't please everyone. Dubas has a vision so I hope he can execute it.

 

[34]

HC's Brian Burke says people in Toronto underestimate the tax differential between Canada and the U.S., says it makes a huge difference to even Canadian born players, and thinks the Toronto Maple Leafs have to fight to sign Mitch Marner for more than 5 years.

Ask Brian Burke how his Calgary Flames and Gaudreau did in the playoffs.

 

[diceman934]

I was talking about the 2019 series, where Marner was abysmal.

Lol. 4 points is abysmal...but 2 more points and he would have been fantastic like Mathews.

 

[Xanner]

So Marner gets traded, Babs first line becomes Hyman - Tavares - Nylander = Nylander gets 94 points next season and everyone here freaks out but poor Matthews, the little blue berry gets no one.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

The concept of RFA and UFA will not exist in the NHL going forward, and you will see it in this years RFA deals.

This is a league thing, and not a Leaf thing, Dubas just had the honour of being first up with this new crop of players and contracts.

Yup, I'm starting to realize Superstar RFA's will be getting mega pay days (McDavid set the bar and then Matthews shattered it).

Not much GM's can really do. I still think Matthews is overpaid, but what was Dubas going to do? Hold firm on an 8 year deal and let Matthews sit? That's career suicide. At least with overpaying him he can do his best to maneuver around it.

Lots of leverage TO can use but unfortunately nothing as good as the tax advantage Tampa gets to deploy.

 

[saffronleaf]

Lol. 4 points is abysmal...but 2 more points and he would have been fantastic like Mathews.

What about losing his matchup? Also Pull up the stats. IIRC -4, 3 shots in last 4 games, abysmal PK, pathetic PP QB, etc.

 

[saffronleaf]

Very embarrassing and sad playoffs performance should bring down value of little Marner

 

[AejonStarkgaryen]

Tax Calculator | Gavin Group

This looks like a good website to compare income tax between teams.

Hey thanks for that link. Neat little tool.

 

[Legion34]

Marner only outpointed Matthews last year if you completely ignore the fact that he played 20 games more than Auston did.

2017/18:
Matthews - 1.02 P/GP; 3.36 P/60
Marner - 0.84 P/GP; 3.08 P/60

I loves me some Marner, but he didn't truly outproduce Matthews until he played with Tavares, during the same season that Matthews played with two rookies.

And they were STILL even. Marner got I think 7 assists on empty nets.

Heck Matthews even had a few goals called back

 

[Nithoniniel]

His best comparable got 6m for how many years. Ehlers signed for 7 years for less money and no bonuses. Less money and more term.

There are other players that are better comparables. You basically handpicked the absolutely best contract while ignoring closer comparables.

But hey, this is not about Nylander. Let's focus on discussing Marner.

 

[ZEBROA]

Matthews are worth more then Marner. You may like Marner more, but thats another thing. Feels lika many think Marner made Tavares better, but not the otherway around.

Marner will try to get what he think he can get, and thats ok.

 

[deletethis]

I bet (hope) there's going to be a cabal of teams (and NHLPA members) pushing for tax relief of some form on the salary cap in the next CBA. The Leafs' cap in function is considerably smaller than teams like Tampa and Dallas.