Salary Cap: Marner contract signing watch discussion.

[JayfromNB1219]

Everyone wants to cash under Dubas

Trade him then, we can find another Andreas Johnsson much easier than another Mitch marner

 

[TheDoldrums]

yeah no thanks marner is better than panarin (already) and we won’t get anywhere near parayko almost guaranteed (asking price is gonna be astronomical the kid is having a phenomenal playoffs

lol a 21 year old 94 point player doesn't get anywhere near parayko?

 

[bentharbs]

yeah no thanks marner is better than panarin (already) and we won’t get anywhere near parayko almost guaranteed (asking price is gonna be astronomical the kid is having a phenomenal playoffs

Yeah, this isn't a good post. Not to just harp on you or anything, but Marner would get Parayko ++. Four years younger and already a legit +90pt winger who has the ability - more than anyone else on a 100-pt team - to completely take over a game on both ends of the ice.

 

[Nineteen67]

Tampa gets 2m per play per year in discounts because of taxes right?

Pretty sure Marner is making at least 2m more per season in advertising than he would anywhere else.

If he can't make 9.95m x 8 years. Sign Panarin. Its about winning a cup not keeping Marner at all costs.

Advertising is different work. That should have no bearing on his hockey salary.

 

[18leafsfan18]

Advertising is different work. That should have no bearing on his hockey salary.

It should I would think, if players are taking less money in Tampa because their taxes are less they are just worried about their "take home money".

If Marner was to play in any other market, would he have the opportunity to make that much in advertising ?

If he is just looking at his top "take home money"

Would it come down to the agent pushing him for more money in salary because that way he is paid more ? Are agents paid a percentage of advertising as well ?

Toronto has some advantages to playing there, they need to take advantage of them if they can. Just like Tampa does with taking advantage of the tax situation.

 

[Nineteen67]

It should I would think, if players are taking less money in Tampa because their taxes are less they are just worried about their "take home money".

If Marner was to play in any other market, would he have the opportunity to make that much in advertising ?

If he is just looking at his top "take home money"

Would it come down to the agent pushing him for more money in salary because that way he is paid more ? Are agents paid a percentage of advertising as well ?

Toronto has some advantages to playing there, they need to take advantage of them if they can. Just like Tampa does with taking advantage of the tax situation.

The Leafs have a right to take into account any advantages they perceive to be valid. But when comparing his salary to AM WN and JT he shouldn’t take anything less from the Leafs because he has another part time job.

Greedy fans might wish he did, but he shouldn’t be expected to.

 

[18leafsfan18]

The Leafs have a right to take into account any advantages they perceive to be valid. But when comparing his salary to AM WN and JT he shouldn’t take anything less from the Leafs because he has another part time job.

Greedy fans might wish he did, but he shouldn’t be expected to.

I agree, to a degree, but that part time job goes away if you decide to leave and go somewhere else, which is what he is choosing to do if he asks for too much money.

I just hope he realizes that he shouldn't make more then JT or AM, He should absolutely make more then Willy.

 

[ToneDog]

Just get it done already. Fans are getting sick of the business of hockey.

 

[ImpartialNHLfan]

It should I would think, if players are taking less money in Tampa because their taxes are less they are just worried about their "take home money".

If Marner was to play in any other market, would he have the opportunity to make that much in advertising ?

If he is just looking at his top "take home money"

Would it come down to the agent pushing him for more money in salary because that way he is paid more ? Are agents paid a percentage of advertising as well ?

Toronto has some advantages to playing there, they need to take advantage of them if they can. Just like Tampa does with taking advantage of the tax situation.

Toronto does have advantages, but I have yet to see them utilized. Take Matthews for example. He got everything the Leafs can offer (front loaded contract, huge signing bonuses, tax breaks also) and he still never gave any wiggle room for negotiations. Same with Willie, I doubt he'd be doing all these commercials in any other hockey market. And yet he took Dubas and bent him over.

 

[18leafsfan18]

Toronto does have advantages, but I have yet to see them utilized. Take Matthews for example. He got everything the Leafs can offer (front loaded contract, huge signing bonuses, tax breaks also) and he still never gave any wiggle room for negotiations. Same with Willie, I doubt he'd be doing all these commercials in any other hockey market. And yet he took Dubas and bent him over.

You are entitled to your opinion of the contracts, but shouldn't we let those guys play a bit into them before totally writing them off ?

 

[Bomber0104]

You are entitled to your opinion of the contracts, but shouldn't we let those guys play a bit into them before totally writing them off ?

I doubt that poster nor anyone else would claim to be writing any of Matthews/Tavares/Marner/Nylander off.

More that their combined salaries are going to seriously hinder improvement everywhere else on the roster.

 

[Pookie]

Nice things cost money.

I don’t get anguish here. Leafs have a Cap budget and want to put some nice things in their house.

You need to make room for those things... as every team has done. Mid tier, older players go all the time.

If our future hinges on losing Kadri or AJ and not being able to find a cheaper replacement.... like every other team does... I feel for us.

It will be fine.

 

[Nineteen67]

Just get it done already. Fans are getting sick of the business of hockey.

Not me. And with this organisation, it’s actually more entertaining than the on ice product has been.

 

[ImpartialNHLfan]

You are entitled to your opinion of the contracts, but shouldn't we let those guys play a bit into them before totally writing them off ?

Im not writing off the players. Im just pointing out that despite all the advantages the Leafs can offer, it's being undone by a rookie GM who is setting the market. All the while other teams are locking down there star players to team friendly deals with max term.

We can and we will I guess.

 

[Nineteen67]

I agree, to a degree, but that part time job goes away if you decide to leave and go somewhere else, which is what he is choosing to do if he asks for too much money.

I just hope he realizes that he shouldn't make more then JT or AM, He should absolutely make more then Willy.

Not really. Apple, for e.g., may prefer he an AM were in NYC.

 

[18leafsfan18]

Not really. Apple, for e.g., may prefer he an AM were in NYC.

Yes, there may be some other opportunities but the ones in Toronto are already established and Toronto has likely the most opportunities, based on Canada's love for hockey players over all other sports. I assume in the states (Especially NYC) they care much more about Football, Baseball, Basketball.

 

[18leafsfan18]

Im not writing off the players. Im just pointing out that despite all the advantages the Leafs can offer, it's being undone by a rookie GM who is setting the market. All the while other teams are locking down there star players to team friendly deals with max term.

We can and we will I guess.

But are those contacts that bad ? How can that be determined after only 5 months of the contact ?

If those 2 players outperform their contracts next season can we really blame the GM for signing those contracts ?

 

[Nineteen67]

Yes, there may be some other opportunities but the ones in Toronto are already established and Toronto has likely the most opportunities, based on Canada's love for hockey players over all other sports. I assume in the states (Especially NYC) they care much more about Football, Baseball, Basketball.

And if he can get extra, good for him. Still, I wouldn’t play for the Leafs for less that 10.5 over 5, if I was him. If they want to go longer it’ll be 500k per FA year.
End of Story.

 

[18leafsfan18]

And if he can get extra, good for him. Still, I wouldn’t play for the Leafs for less that 10.5 over 5, if I was him. If they want to go longer it’ll be 500k per FA year.
End of Story.

I'm sure his camp will argue that way, and I'm sure the Leafs camp will argue for less. That's how negotiations work.

To me there are more comparables that show he should be paid 10 or less then ones that show he should be paid 10.5 or more.

 

[ToneDog]

Not me. And with this organisation, it’s actually more entertaining than the on ice product has been.

Sadly the on ice product has been better than the off ice management team. And that is saying a lot given all the games this team mailed in this year. Personally I am getting tired of hearing Leaf players demanding big bucks having accomplished nothing in the playoffs.

Nylander will have received roughly 50% of his $42M in cash by July 1st and he should be embarrassed for bringing what he brought to the team after claiming he slotted with Draisaitl and held out for 2+ months.

 

[Nineteen67]

I'm sure his camp will argue that way, and I'm sure the Leafs camp will argue for less. That's how negotiations work.

To me there are more comparables that show he should be paid 10 or less then ones that show he should be paid 10.5 or more.

He’s an RFA, the only comparable contracts are JT, AM and WN.....

 

[Nineteen67]

Sadly the on ice product has been better than the off ice management team. And that is saying a lot given all the games this team mailed in this year. Personally I am getting tired of hearing Leaf players demanding big bucks having accomplished nothing in the playoffs.

Nylander will have received roughly 50% of his $42M in cash by July 1st and he should be embarrassed for bringing what he brought to the team after claiming he slotted with Draisaitl and held out for 2+ months.

Yes. Government level mismanagement and waste.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Advertising is different work. That should have no bearing on his hockey salary.

It's an opportunity available to Leafs.

It's a selling point. Leafs can and have brought them all in a room with players. Ie. Stamkos.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

The cap has gone up, MM looks like he is trending up up up! How can you give him Kucherov money? If Matthews got 11.6m x 5y, MM is worth at least 9.5-10 x 5y

Apples to Oranges my friend... Matthews was a #1 he’s a Center and he scores goals by the boatload (all increase value whether we agree or not)
Marner was #4 if I’m not mistaken a small winger and is pass first (all things that will be used to value him lower than Matthews , again agree with it or not)

I can’t see more than 9-9.5x 6-8

Will other teams potentially OS him to more...I’d say GM’s aren’t doing their jobs if they don’t consider it but the leafs shouldn’t let other franchises dictate their terms...if marner values himself out of Toronto I will certainly be upset about it but the business is what it is...he knows the score if he wants to be in Toronto it’s as simple as that

 

[18leafsfan18]

He’s an RFA, the only comparable contracts are JT, AM and WN.....

How are those the only comparables ?

JT wasn't even an RFA signing. So if it's just AM and WN, that's perfect he is a winger so closer to WN then AM makes it a great deal. A bit of over exaggeration there, but you see where I'm coming from.

They would look at wingers in the game with similar point totals (obviously some potential stats going forward) and see what they make, add inflation etc and argue that way.