Salary Cap: Marner Contract Discussion XX - The Dog Days of August V3

[ZEBROA]

The problem is Marner could as well get 20p less this year. Thats up to Tavares health and pp clicking. Not confident he will produce 1 ppg every year as he should ,if demanding Matthews money. Not shore if Matthews will stay healthy, but i think he will get 1 ppg his contract lenght. And score a looot more.

 

[SlpLessInMuskoka18]

Matthews will never be the point leader of the two my friend.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Lotta dumbass arguments in here. Apparently only goals matter now? The kid is a superstar already don’t delude yourselves.

 

[gabeliscious]

Matthews will never be the point leader of the two my friend.

I would be curious what mattews production would be if a ppg winger was parachuted in for him. Nylander is great and all but he is 2w years old. If matthews was playing with the equivalent of tavares i am not so sure he wouldnt put up more points.

 

[VanW27]

Matthews will never be the point leader of the two my friend.

Matthew's career PPG: 0.967
Marner career PPG: 0.929

 

[DarkKnight]

The problem is Marner could as well get 20p less this year. Thats up to Tavares health and pp clicking. Not confident he will produce 1 ppg every year as he should ,if demanding Matthews money. Not shore if Matthews will stay healthy, but i think he will get 1 ppg his contract length. And score a looot more.

Marner had less pp points last year than year prior. How anyone can still question whether Marner will “produce” at this point says more about your own flawed internal thought process than reality.

 

[ToneDog]

Lotta dumbass arguments in here. Apparently only goals matter now? The kid is a superstar already don’t delude yourselves.

The kid should even get better. Problem is that he has $$$$ signs in his eyes and not Stanley Cups. I can see why it would be difficult to do after seeing Nylander and Matthews get the max but he needs to think big picture if he wants to be a long time Leaf.

 

[Nineteen67]

I don't understand why it seems to be more or less accepted that the Leafs will/should have to pay a premium to keep its star players (and in this case it's local, homegrown star player).

We are the Leafs for crying out loud! That means something to me. Why doesn't that seem to mean more to Marner?

The talking heads are acting like $9.5 million over 3 years is a reasonable compromise to this impasse? And you know it will come front-loaded and lockout-proof, laden with juicy signing bonuses that other teams can't match. Chris Johnston says comparables aren't relevant in this situation--for reasons unknown.

Kucherov re-signs with Tampa on the verge of UFA for max term at $9.5million per year. Kucherov...
A) is a better, more accomplished player than Marner
B) is also a winger
C) signed almost entirely UFA years

But we should be happy paying RFA Marner the same coin? For only RFA years and minimal commitment or sacrifice from him? Why, because playing for the Leafs is such a drag?

If Marner truly feels that making "Auston Matthews money" is more important than signing a reasonable contract that will allow him to continue playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs, I can honestly say he's not a guy I want on the team.

Playing and living in Toronto is hard and more demanding than anywhere else. Toronto media and fans make it feel like Toronto is in the NFL, while everyone else is in the CFL.

 

[Nineteen67]

The Leafs could absolutely play hardball with Marner and lowball the crap out of him. It should be obvious to everyone by now that no offer sheet is riding in on a white stallion for him. So the Leafs are essentially negotiating against themselves.

Marner's only real leverage is that his absence in a holdout would be a blow to the team in a Cup-window season (not to mention a distraction) and that Dubas won't want to spoil the team's relationship with one of its core players.

Holdout what? He doesn’t have a contract, therefore, legally, he cannot play.

 

[Mess]

Holdout what? He doesn’t have a contract, therefore, legally, he cannot play.

That's right a player without a contract isn't in a holdout situation he is unemployed at present.

 

[LeafChief]

Matthews will never be the point leader of the two my friend.

I'll take that action, Paul.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Lotta dumbass arguments in here. Apparently only goals matter now? The kid is a superstar already don’t delude yourselves.

I think Leafs clearly value goals slightly more or else he would have gotten a Matthews type deal by now. Why do you think Matthews got such a premium? 111 goals on your elc is special.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Matthews is the Leafs #1 C and franchise player.

ohhh and....most 5v5 goals in the NHL since he was drafted all while playing less games and with **** linemates.

To be clear, I have no issues with Matthews' AAV, I have issues with his term.

 

[Nineteen67]

The kid should even get better. Problem is that he has $$$$ signs in his eyes and not Stanley Cups. I can see why it would be difficult to do after seeing Nylander and Matthews get the max but he needs to think big picture if he wants to be a long time Leaf.

Well it’s his career and his goal is to earn a living in a real short period of time. I’ve heard players say that they don’t like the sport but they are good at so they played to earn a living.
They’re no different than anyone else, in that regard.

 

[hullsy47]

If Matthews got ownership of Arizona he would be broke before his contract was up[/QUOTEu
U wouldnt get a ticket in Arizona for years
Thé kid la adored thé de like Marion Lemieux sas in pittsburgh

 

[hullsy47]

If Matthews got ownership of Arizona he would be broke before his contract was up

Just saying Arizona would offerd time 13 for fun

 

[hullsy47]

Matthews will never be the point leader of the two my friend.

Ya Ill take 60 goals and 35 assits th0

 

[Nineteen67]

Just saying Arizona would offerd time 13 for fun

I doubt Arizona would have, but Vegas, maybe.

 

[Leafsfan13]

Matthew's career PPG: 0.967
Marner career PPG: 0.929

Yet Marner has more career points. I wonder why

 

[ToneDog]

Ya Ill take 60 goals and 35 assits th0

If Matty played with a winger in Tavares' class, say a Patrick Kane, I say he puts up 50+ goals and 50+ assists and the team is a favourite to win the Cup.

 

[Notsince67]

The Leafs could absolutely play hardball with Marner and lowball the crap out of him. It should be obvious to everyone by now that no offer sheet is riding in on a white stallion for him. So the Leafs are essentially negotiating against themselves.

Marner's only real leverage is that his absence in a holdout would be a blow to the team in a Cup-window season (not to mention a distraction) and that Dubas won't want to spoil the team's relationship with one of its core players.

Marner's real leverage is how good of a player he is and the Leafs leverage is how good of an organization they are to play with. Everything else is small potatoes. Both player and team will keep a very cautious eye to the future in order to try to budge the short term in the remaining offseason time that they have. Marner wants to be a leaf and the Leafs want a player as rare as Marner. This is all a dance with nuanced threats...not overt ones. Any brinkmanship by either side that becomes an insurmountable obstacle will be a catastrophic error. It is good that the haggling is being conducted by Ferris and Pridham, despite what people think. It keeps Marner and Dubas from becoming too emotional in the stretch, and leaves hope for a resolution.

 

[Notsince67]

I would be curious what mattews production would be if a ppg winger was parachuted in for him. Nylander is great and all but he is 2w years old. If matthews was playing with the equivalent of tavares i am not so sure he wouldnt put up more points.

Tavares and Matthews would not gel together like people think. Matthews is by far better with guys like Nylander or Marner. It was curious this year at exactly how bad Tavares and Matthews were at things like royal road passes and behind the net passes (IMO the most dangerous type). If the leafs want to unlock more scoring, these 2 guys need to be better at stuff like this. Together they are a bit of a liability

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

To be clear, I have no issues with Matthews' AAV, I have issues with his term.

If you had issues with Malkins term right after his ELC then sure.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Yet Marner has more career points. I wonder why

Because of injury

 

[Leafsfan13]

Because of injury

Yeah unless he can stay healthy he isn’t gonna get more points than Marner. I hope he does this year and challenges for the rocket Richard. But I still believe Marner will end up with more career points though